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[Menagra]

sonicphoto wrote...

infraredman wrote...

ok....to those who claim "harbinger won't fire upon thee until you fire upon them"

The reapers blew up 2 Kodak's full of civilians in the beginning of the story(they can't possibly fire). Hell the reapers are killing people in the billions! To claim harbinger would have some honor of not killing Normandy is just insane. Seriously, you need to not assume game creators are superior to fans because your devotion to them makes you look foolish.

Reaper IFF is another thing, but there's still Shepard disobeying Anderson. And it would make more sense if it happened BEFORE the run for the beacon, as harbinger is shooting like crazy until that cut scene.

It isn't about honor, is the fact that he doesn't want to kill Shepard, The catalyst needs him alive to get Synthesis done, The Catalyst considered now his new solution, no more no less. He can't activate the beam, but Shepard can. Harbinger obeys the catalyst. The normandy was on top of Shepard, if he shoots it, it will kill Shepard. Nobody survives the beam attack, except Shepard, we never get to see the beam fully hit him now on the EC, if it did, he would have been vaporized instantly. And the catalyst couldn't achieve the synthesis he is so crazy about.

No the catalyst only wants someone so incredible that they managed up the beam even with the reapers totally against them. He deamed harvest best solution, but if someone manages to find him then the harvest is not longer the best solution. If the reapers wanted to spare shepard then Kai Leng wouldn't have tried to kill you. He would have tried to kidnap you. Cerberus was indoctrinated and therefore serving the catalyst as much as harbinger was.

[halbert986]

they die because the reapers continue to harvest. Sooner or later they, along with everyone else in the galaxy, will be killed by the reapers because they abandoned their mission. That is unacceptable.

[MaggotFragger]

halbert986 wrote...

A giant shark eating a 747 and then doing battle with a giant octopus is more believable.

New ending DLC!

[Eterna]

Harbinger is trying to stop the army from reaching the beam, why would he shoot as the stationary Normandy when there are quite a few vehicles and people rushing towards the beam?

[DirtyPhoenix]

Comsky159 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

wwinters99 wrote...

What I love is that, since they only "clarified" and did not change the original ending, we were suppose to infer the the evac scene had happened in the original 20 sec run to the beam.

I'm sorry I was confused Bioware. How could I have not realized that?

This.
So true.

[Gemini1179]

What Normandy Evac scene? Oh, the "EC"... I consider that to be the ME team's own bit of fanfiction they put into visual form.

...no one tell them that they are terrible fanfiction writers.

[Clayless]

Gemini1179 wrote...

What Normandy Evac scene? Oh, the "EC"... I consider that to be the ME team's own bit of fanfiction they put into visual form.

...no one tell them that they are terrible fanfiction writers.

I think you need to learn what fanfiction is.

[Gemini1179]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

What Normandy Evac scene? Oh, the "EC"... I consider that to be the ME team's own bit of fanfiction they put into visual form.

...no one tell them that they are terrible fanfiction writers.

I think you need to learn what fanfiction is.

...seriously?

Just either get the joke or ignore it, sheesh.

[TNT1991]

I can name worst things in ME3, the evacuation scene is at the very bottom of the list...

[chasemme]

I will ignore the Harbinger's apathy bit, you guys got it covered. I was more concerned with how rushed the scene felt, not like production rushed. Like joker responding to a fuzzy distress call in 5 seconds, especially to evacuate 2 people. Honestly, I brought my two FAVORITE characters to the beam in the original end, and when I got back up after being hit, looked around, and accepted they were probably dead. Not only did it genuinely give me a feeling of "let's finish this," but it felt right, two people cannot matter that much here. "I need to know someone's getting out alive"? What about Joker? That was NOT a safe place to be.

I thought the squad dialogue was all pretty well written and delivered. It kept me focused on the characters. I was able to ignore the giant reaper NOT shooting at me the first time around.

Javik's and EDI's dialogue tugged at my suspension of disbelief. I get that the scene needed to play out that way, but EDI's body IS disposable, and Javik told me not an hour before that he intended to kill himself afterward anyway and I seemed to accept that. He had one purpose anyway, fight reapers. Let him die fighting them at least.

Did not intend that to become a rant, but despite the good farewell dialogue, it bugged me too.


Edit: Unless Javik's dialogue changes if he doesn't touch the memory shard and decides to live after the war is over? I just youtubed his farewell dialogue. Also, did anyone else think the shot of the Normandy AND Harbinger was... a bad idea? Either it should have foreshadowed some legitimate reason not to shoot , or it shouldn't have been there. Looking cool (and it did) is not an excuse to EMPHASIZE a minor plot hole.

Modifié par chasemme, 04 septembre 2012 - 07:28 .

[Saren100]

Edit: Unless Javik's dialogue changes if he doesn't touch the memory shard and decides to live after the war is over? I just youtubed his farewell dialogue.

If he doesnt look at the shard he plans to go live as overlord king of the hanar.

[chasemme]

Saren100 wrote...

Edit: Unless Javik's dialogue changes if he doesn't touch the memory shard and decides to live after the war is over? I just youtubed his farewell dialogue.

If he doesnt look at the shard he plans to go live as overlord king of the hanar.

Nono, I know that. Doesn't he also mention he might travel with Liara to write her book?

I mean at the beam, if he touches the shard, he decides he wants to die. On top of the fact that his one and only mission in life is to kill reapers, his leaving in the middle of the biggest reaper fight in our cycle or his for any reason other than the total cessation of breathing makes no real sense.

I would have preferred him just dying if brought to the beam at all, that part is baseless opinion, though.

Modifié par chasemme, 04 septembre 2012 - 07:34 .

[fchopin]

TNT1991 wrote...

I can name worst things in ME3, the evacuation scene is at the very bottom of the list...

There is nothing worse in ME3 than the run to the beam scene.
 
It is the most important scene in the game as this is the final run to get to the crucible, anyone wishing to run away should not be included in the scene, the Shepard who called the Normandy is not the real Shepard.
 
It was perfect in the original ending and now it is spoiled and will become the worst scene ever made.
 
I wish Bioware gives us an option to skip the scene for the people who do not wish to see the scene.

[davepissedatending]

I loved that bit made the ec for me. People want to remember its a game

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Either the Reaper IFF, or Harbinger's top priority was keeping everyone AWAY from the beam.

I think Harbinger thought the Normandy retreating was a good thing, so he wouldn't have to deal with so many elite Normandy SR2 team super Ninjas...*creepy stare* and Garrus...

[Astralify]

Eterna5 wrote...

Harbinger is trying to stop the army from reaching the beam, why would he shoot as the stationary Normandy when there are quite a few vehicles and people rushing towards the beam?

Ah, my favorite poster. /sarcasm

If Harbinger shot the Normandy, the explosion could've killed the "army" and everything else. Don't you think? Your argument is invalid.

[TobiTobsen]

Harby is just the Reaper version of Good Guy Greg

[TNT1991]

fchopin wrote...



There is nothing worse in ME3 than the run to the beam scene.
 
It is the most important scene in the game as this is the final run to get to the crucible, anyone wishing to run away should not be included in the scene, the Shepard who called the Normandy is not the real Shepard.
 
It was perfect in the original ending and now it is spoiled and will become the worst scene ever made.
 
I wish Bioware gives us an option to skip the scene for the people who do not wish to see the scene.

Lol Really? Then we must have played two very different games then, because the "original" run to the beam (before EC) was way worse. It was one of the main compliants about the ending when the game came out. One minute your squad was there and the next they disappear and somehow ended up on the Normandy. At least with the EC it showed how they got on there in the first place. It may not have been the best explanation, but it was certainly a little better than it was before.

I would rather have that, than what happens after that--the starbrat, the breathe scene, the child and grandfather talking about "The Shepard" (oh, how I wish I could skip that scene), and so on. The ending (and game) is still terrible or "spoiled" with or without that scene.

[halbert986]

TNT1991 wrote...

fchopin wrote...



There is nothing worse in ME3 than the run to the beam scene.

It is the most important scene in the game as this is the final run to get to the crucible, anyone wishing to run away should not be included in the scene, the Shepard who called the Normandy is not the real Shepard.

It was perfect in the original ending and now it is spoiled and will become the worst scene ever made.

I wish Bioware gives us an option to skip the scene for the people who do not wish to see the scene.

Lol Really? Then we must have played two very different games then, because the "original" run to the beam (before EC) was way worse. It was one of the main compliants about the ending when the game came out. One minute your squad was there and the next they disappear and somehow ended up on the Normandy. At least with the EC it showed how they got on there in the first place. It may not have been the best explanation, but it was certainly a little better than it was before.

I would rather have that, than what happens after that--the starbrat, the breathe scene, the child and grandfather talking about "The Shepard" (oh, how I wish I could skip that scene), and so on. The ending (and game) is still terrible or "spoiled" with or without that scene.

The original run was EPIC!

I distinctly remember running down that hill screaming holy **** holy **** holy **** holy ****!!!!! It was like Tuchunka times 1000.

When I got up and looked around, I saw Garrus and Ashely dead on the ground. (That's what I get for not playing mutilplayer I guess..)

The only bad thing about it was the lost planet scene which is not part of the beam rush anyway... They just needed to cut that scene altogether because it's the 2nd worst part of the game. Or come out and say "our bad" that was a glitch.

Modifié par halbert986, 04 septembre 2012 - 10:37 .

[halbert986]

EntropicAngel wrote...

halbert986 wrote...

which is unacceptably horrible. Shepard is just one guy. Abandoning everything he worked to accomplish because he dies is abandoning everything he just died for. He dies for nothing if they abandon the mission. And they die because they abandon the mission.

They don't die because they abandon the mission. They abandon and flee, and are picked up by the Normandy (picked up far away, not like in the EC).

And, it's their fault for immortalizing Shepard.

This is from their POV here. Think about it as though Shepard really is dead. 

Everyone just gives up and goes home? Unacceptable. 

[NM_Che56]

They were leaving, thus no longer a threat. Resources were diverted to current threats.

This is so laughably basic

[halbert986]

Master Che wrote...

They were leaving, thus no longer a threat. Resources were diverted to current threats.

This is so laughably basic

shuttles at the beginning. Destruction of everything and anything in their path. Chasing the normandy around the solar systems.

Suddenly "Naww I'll just not shoot at that thing even though its explosion would totally help me out by killing a bunch of people very important to shepard, if not shepard himself. After all, these humans are coming within 200 yards of the beam. That's way too close for comfort, I need to focus."

Yeah totally obvious <_<