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[JBPBRC]

txgoldrush wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

H2Ape wrote...

EDI says in ME3 that she can basically pretend to be a Reaper. I'm assuming that's what she did.

You mean this video?
 

Yeah, but no. The Normandy is within spitting distance of Harbinger. It's like saying a ghillie suit is going to hide a sniper when the sniper is in the target's face. No camouflage or faking can hide you when you're at friggin point blank range.

Who said the Reapers see like organics?

You know, even nowadays we have things like LIDAR, terrain-mapping radar, and image recognition software. Do you really think a Reaper will lack the most basic situational awareness?

Besides, Sovereign clearly sees Shepard and goes:

"YOU ARE NOT SAREN."

Clearly he has some form of basic visual input going on.

Or indoctrination detection.

Or maybe he can just see that this is a human and not a cybernetic Turian?

Likewise, Harbinger (or the Collector General if the SM isn't completed) can also see and identify Shepard by looking at him in Arrival. The evac was just a fail all around.

Modifié par JBPBRC, 05 septembre 2012 - 05:40 .

[ghost9191]

or simply that if harby took the 3-5 secs to take out the normandy , troops woould make it to the beam and that would be badz

or maybe it was cocky , or didn't want to hurt shepaard , you know cause this might prove IT

Modifié par ghost9191, 05 septembre 2012 - 05:42 .

[JBPBRC]

ghost9191 wrote...

or simply that if harby took the 3-5 secs to take out the normandy , troops woould make it to the beam and that would be badz

Lies. Marauder Shields is lying in wait!

[halbert986]

Shields - Your backup is here sir!
Harby - I ordered the whole fleet!
Shields - We're all you get, don't worry sir we'll get it done!
Harby - Hold the line!

[JBPBRC]

halbert986 wrote...

Shields - Your backup is here sir!
Harby - I ordered the whole fleet!
Shields - We're all you get, don't worry sir we'll get it done!
Harby - Hold the line!

Shields- You heard him men! HOLD. THE. LINE.
Husk #1: *Drool*
Husk #2: Rargh.
Husk #3: ....

Shields- We've totally got this!

[Mondhase]

txgoldrush wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

H2Ape wrote...

EDI says in ME3 that she can basically pretend to be a Reaper. I'm assuming that's what she did.

You mean this video?
 

Yeah, but no. The Normandy is within spitting distance of Harbinger. It's like saying a ghillie suit is going to hide a sniper when the sniper is in the target's face. No camouflage or faking can hide you when you're at friggin point blank range.

Who said the Reapers see like organics?

The Reaper IFF not only lets them land on Earth twice in the game without attention, but lets them go to Menae and Thessia without incident as well. The Rannoch Reaper only shoots at the SR2 because it actually attacked it.

Sorry, but it works, without it, they could not go into warzones like they did throughout the game.

The Normandy can do these things because of its stealth system, not because of the Reaper IFF. But both on Earth and Menae, we're in the middle of a warzone, evading the enemy while humans/turians are fighting the Reapers at every front. I don't think it's hard to imagine that a ship that is hidden from normal detection systems can fly in and out without being attacked.
But the evacuation in the final scene is completely different. The Normandy is sitting right in front of Harbinger, in what is supposedly the most guarded area on Earth right now and everyone simply ignores it. That is total BS, plain and simple.

[graciegrace]

What they should have done is had Cortez come with a shuttle or something, it's smaller and I would have been able to buy that kind of vehicle getting past the reapers. The Normandy is a little implausible...

[Helios969]

It was pretty ridiculous. Thing is with a couple of minor changes it could have been epic. Normady swoops down and blasts Harbinger square in the face with its thanix canons while Cortez lands the shuttle to evac companions. Harbinger is staggered momentarily but then starts trying to blast the Normandy. But since Joker is the baddest pilot around he is able to evade those searing lasers.

[Shermos]

It is pretty stupid, but the fans demanded a goodbye with their LI and clarification...

It's not a game breaker for me though. Before the EC came out, I just assumed the Normandy made a pick up off camera (probably while Shepard was on the Citadel) and that was how people in the beam rush ended up at the crash site.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Mondhase wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

H2Ape wrote...

EDI says in ME3 that she can basically pretend to be a Reaper. I'm assuming that's what she did.

You mean this video?
 

Yeah, but no. The Normandy is within spitting distance of Harbinger. It's like saying a ghillie suit is going to hide a sniper when the sniper is in the target's face. No camouflage or faking can hide you when you're at friggin point blank range.

Who said the Reapers see like organics?

The Reaper IFF not only lets them land on Earth twice in the game without attention, but lets them go to Menae and Thessia without incident as well. The Rannoch Reaper only shoots at the SR2 because it actually attacked it.

Sorry, but it works, without it, they could not go into warzones like they did throughout the game.

The Normandy can do these things because of its stealth system, not because of the Reaper IFF. But both on Earth and Menae, we're in the middle of a warzone, evading the enemy while humans/turians are fighting the Reapers at every front. I don't think it's hard to imagine that a ship that is hidden from normal detection systems can fly in and out without being attacked.
But the evacuation in the final scene is completely different. The Normandy is sitting right in front of Harbinger, in what is supposedly the most guarded area on Earth right now and everyone simply ignores it. That is total BS, plain and simple.

Weekes stated that it's a combination of both the Reaper IFF and the stealth system that allows the Normandy to get into Reaper-controlled systems. However, there is absolutely no excuse for the Harbinger scene. In fact, it wasn't even firing its cannons while Shepard was chatting with his squadmates.

[finalcabbage]

Or you can call it by its true name: Plot Armor. Harby ain't gonna shoot up the main character and supporting cast even when he's right there. If Shep gets slagged there ain't no story. Everything else is just details.

[Han Shot First]

There isn't anything wrong with the evac scene.

Harbinger was busy firing at at all the dismounted infantry, tanks, and gunships that were closing fast on the beam, any one of which could have potentially foiled the Reaper's plans. The Normandy meanwhile, was not directly assissting in the push and was only evacuating wounded. In short, the infantry, armor and air support were priority targets while the Normandy was not.

The evac scene also isn't unrealistic. Consider that during the amphibious assaults on places like Iwo Jima or Tarawa, there were amtracs and Higgins boats making multiple trips under fire both ways, both delivering troops to the beaches and evacuating the more seriously wounded while the beachhead was still very much contested. There are also multiple examples in later wars of helicopters successfully evacuating wounded from 'hot' landing zones.

[Dessalines]

You know I am planning through it again, and realize that the first time I changed my final two squad members just so I can get the LI conversation, but I was thikning that this particular Shepard would never pick Tali to charge with him to the beam. The ending he has with her before the final mission is perfect. Shepard staring down Harbringer is anti-climatic, because Harbringer is just being controlled by the Star-Child.

[Ithurael]

Baa Baa wrote...

wwinters99 wrote...

What I love is that, since they only "clarified" and did not change the original ending, we were suppose to infer the the evac scene had happened in the original 20 sec run to the beam.

I'm sorry I was confused Bioware. How could I have not realized that?

This.
So true.

LOL ahhh BSN I love you guys

[comrade gando]

it's like some saturday morning cartoon show or something, the scene is so convoluted and stupid it makes my head spin. bioware is ok with it though, bunch of chumps

[3DandBeyond]

I don't think it was the worst but was incredibly bad. I blame speculation. People thought with the original endings that it made no sense that the team members were with Joker on the jungle planet when they'd just been with Shepard, and they laughed and said it must have meant the Normandy picked them up in London in the middle of the battle so they could run away. BW went with that.

The problem is it doesn't explain how the other teammates got onto the Normandy-since you took 2 with you to the conduit, while the rest sipped tea at the FOB (how they all got to the FOB in the first place is never explained---Steeeeeeeeve didn't take them there). Apparently Joker was really busy and swooped down and picked them up too for no particular reason whatsoever. At least for the 2 at the conduit there's the trumped up idea they are injured. The other teammates aren't doing anything. They just end up in London at the FOB to say goodbye.

It would have made far more sense to have had them be given tasks to do-hold the FOB or something as in ME2, but they are there doing nothing. And then they end up on the Normandy too. More head canon.

[Isichar]

I laughed so hard on this scene I nearly fell over. Its even funnier how people can justify it. Almost as good as the original "Combine organic and synthetic DNA" line, except that they had the good sense to actually retcon.

[RavenEyry]

halbert986 wrote...
Screw Anderson's no retreat orders

Coates: Hey, that's my line!

[Patchwork]

That scene is hilariously bad, BW took one plothole (how did the squad get onto the Normandy?) and gave us several more and threw in some derp Shepard for good measure.

What puzzles me is why, what was so important about the Normandy crash that they twisted the entire narrative just to get it to happen?

[Robhuzz]

Mike 9987 wrote...

Harbinger did not shoot the normandy because of the reaper IFF. Scanning exposes you to other reapers though, which is why they chase you in space.

On the off chance that you actually were serious... yes Harbinger really wasn't able to detect the Normandy and that's why it didn't shoot...

No but seriously, it's the improved stealth sytems of the Alliance SR2 that allows it to avoid the Reapers in space unless they are scanning. It doesn't have anything to do with the IFF.

That scene is hilariously bad, BW took one plothole (how did the squad get onto the Normandy?) and gave us several more and threw in some derp Shepard for good measure. 

And for extra seasoning they added some derp Harbinger as well. "Shepard! This is the end for yo.... oh wait he's evacuating his friends and lover, I'll wait for a bit so he can finish up. I'll shoot him later:)"

Modifié par Robhuzz, 05 septembre 2012 - 04:10 .

[Outlawstar15a2]

Well to be fair. Harbinger and the other Reapers had their hand full ensuring that Hammer did not make it to the Conduit. I'm sure he saw the Normandy but did not engage it as that would mean he'd have to stop firing on the soldiers and tanks running down the hill. Even if it took him a few seconds. That's a few seconds too many in a machine's mind. So Harbinger prioritized the Hammer task force shooting Shepard (and gleefully) as he rejoined Hammer and got too close.

[Brhino]

To add a little more dumb to the dumbpile:

Whoever you bring with you in the beam rush, who you then evac, can be seen doing just fine during the "Joker... we have to go" cockpit scene and the Gilligan's Planet crash "Let's open up the door and have a look around" scene. So with death and destruction raining all around them, Shepard orders the evacuation of two people who are so lightly wounded that they do not even require hospitalization.

[RenegonSQ]

To the idiots saying that he didn't shoot because of the Reaper IFF, I'd like for you to explain to me why when your scanning planets, Reapers chase after you inside of systems.

If a Reaper will chase you around an entire system because of probing, why would'nt one attack you when you are hovering right in front of it? No need to be alerted by probes, you are right in front of the thing.

[3DandBeyond]

Outlawstar15a2 wrote...

Well to be fair. Harbinger and the other Reapers had their hand full ensuring that Hammer did not make it to the Conduit. I'm sure he saw the Normandy but did not engage it as that would mean he'd have to stop firing on the soldiers and tanks running down the hill. Even if it took him a few seconds. That's a few seconds too many in a machine's mind. So Harbinger prioritized the Hammer task force shooting Shepard (and gleefully) as he rejoined Hammer and got too close.

However, Harbinger does stop firing and just waits.  Shepard and teammates had time to make babies, have coffee, bake a pie, and use the facilities without Harbinger even breaking a fingernail.

[SergeantCilantro]

harbingers lasers seemed to fire very very rapidly, i think he would have been able to shoot the normandy at least once while still shooting lasers at the ground forces running to the beam.