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[Thaa_solon]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

What a lot people fail to understand is "in the image of" does not mean "identical to".

Yes and that is why the concept is derp

[Mr.House]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

Mass Effect 3 has a tendency to completely retcon Drew Karpyshyn's ideas. The Human reaper was originally supposed to be the Reapers' trump card to stop the "Dark Energy Threat" (or whatever ended up as Drew's ending). It was originally different because humans were somehow special enough to help the Reapers realize their goals.

Drew likes to retcon on his own work too.

[Zoonz]

P_sutherland wrote...

think of the Reapers as the Daleks... outside their all the same (more or less) inside.. they looks like whatever species they were harvested from.

So the inner part is part organic the outer part synthetic, I don't understand how they can bear to live with themselves 

[Ulous]

It was nowhere near big enough to become a real reaper, hence it would no doubt have been slotted into a reaper shell........ as previously mentioned.

[devSin]

Not necessarily a shell, however.

It's possible that as the Reaper develops it becomes the final form (so the proto-Reaper was in a pre-infant state and had a vaguely humanoid shape, but as it grew, it eventually would have become a standard capital ship).

I don't think their intent was that there's an actual little Reaper body inside the ship controlling it, pulling levers and pushing buttons and stuff. (Then again, their true intent is just to justify the human-form Reaper, which was a decision made only on appearance and not lore, so who knows.)

[BlazingZephyr]

Arcian wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

Mass Effect 3 has a tendency to completely retcon Drew Karpyshyn's ideas. The Human reaper was originally supposed to be the Reapers' trump card to stop the "Dark Energy Threat" (or whatever ended up as Drew's ending). It was originally different because humans were somehow special enough to help the Reapers realize their goals.

That's even more vague than "Synthetics will always destroy their makers".

I hate the endings as much as the next guy, but the dark energy plot was stone-cold dead on arrival.

I never said it was a great idea. I simply said that Drew's vision was completely thrown out the window.

Since we're on that topic however, one could argue that we haven't seen the DEP (dark energy plot) come to friution, so we can't really judge it's viability. Being Drew's plan since ME2, it could have been fleshed out to make more sense and almost been undoubtedly better than the current ending.

But, that's just my opinion. No need to go spreading it around.

[Kathleen321]

There was something significant about the human reaper. Harbinger states that humans have the most promising genetics and that is why they created a human reaper. I still think there is something more going on then just harvesting for the sake of evolution control. I think a lot of these plot holes are there for a fourth game.

[Thaa_solon]

The original idea was that every reaper had the exterior look of the race harvested

Pause at 3.04-3.05

This is from me2 arrival

When the clock times out


.........


See diffrent reaper shapes(omg srsly why did BW not follow up on this)


So because retcon = derp

Modifié par Thaa_solon, 03 septembre 2012 - 07:51 .

[saracen16]

ff-leishi01 wrote...

markshaxted wrote...

Sme bioware exec has said that the core of each Reaper is in the form of the species, while the shell is in Leviathan form... So that human Reaper was just the core.

So inside every Reaper is a synthetic being that has the form of another race? In a reaper shell?? O.o

"This Reaper appears to be in an early stage in its development. An embryo in human terms."

[almondroy]

WindfishDude wrote...

What about Destroyer class Reapers?

They are supposed to be made from lesser species.

Would this cycles Reaper Destroyers have Elcor and Hanaar cores?

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Tell me an Elcor Reaper wouldn't be hysterical. The Council Species would be too busy laughing to muster up a defense.

Elcor Reaper: "With intended menace: this hurts you"

[Knif3]

Can't wait until reapers harvest Yahgs.

[markshaxted]

Has anyone got a screen shot from the end of ME2 with all the Reapers about to enter the Galaxy? I remember that screenshot showing Reapers looking pretty much the same, but I could easily be wrong!

Edit: having just watched a vid of the end of mass effect 2, all the reapers have a very similar form, certainly not identical but they all match the general shape and such of the Leviathans, from what I could gather anyway.

Modifié par markshaxted, 03 septembre 2012 - 08:57 .

[Grimjol]

 In short here's how I think the whole process works from all the info from all the games:

1) The human-reaper was tiny compered to all other reapers and so must have been a very earily embryo as EDI speculates (a few months/years old (a reaper harvest can last centuries and its only at the end of one when a reaper is born))  and so would look almost nothing like the finished article (human embryo's tend to look nothing like humans till day 44ish of the pregnacy)
2) Harbinger was the first 'Reaper' created by Husks/indoctrunated beings, controled by the 'Intelegence' (The Catalyst), in the image of the intelegence's creators the Leviathans.
3) Each cycle a single Reaper is born from the dominant/most populace race in the galaxy (i.e. Humans for the ME cycle).
4)The Reapers begin life in a form similar to the most populace genetic material being used in their construction, but like their progenitors, the Levianthan species, Reapers are incredably raciest and see all other life forms as inferior and as such convert them into Levianthan-Reapers (the supreme race)
5) Several Destroyer class reapers are made from what's left-over (i.e. other species and D.S. left overs) after the initial leviathan-reaper is complete or they are made from the other species whilest the Leviathan-Reaper is being constructed from the D.S. .
6) The gentic material used to create Reapers is most likely similar to the primordial soup, and the DNA of the donar species is all but gone. What we see in the the Human-reaper is the last essence (a fading photograph) of the species used to create it before it is totally converted into Reaper DNA and so is born as a full-fleged Leviathan-Reaper.

D.S.=Dominant Species

Modifié par Grimjol, 04 septembre 2012 - 12:40 .

[corkey sweet]

markshaxted wrote...

Sme bioware exec has said that the core of each Reaper is in the form of the species, while the shell is in Leviathan form... So that human Reaper was just the core.

this is just Bioware's dumb excuse for not making each Reaper look diffrent. which is what they where going to do from the start, but then decided to make them all look the same

[Walsh1980]

I really wanted to board a Reaper in ME3 and see an alien species "core" inside of one. At this point, I'm not sure Bioware even understands what the human reaper actually is. I like to picture it piloting a Leviathan-shell like a Gundam or other such Japanese giant robot..

[bgroberts]

Here's an interesting thought: the outer shell/case of a Reaper (the real war machine part) may be a copy of technology and means by which the Leviathans traveled through space and led their conquests. They were likely encased in these large dreadnoughts less in a way we would think of a ship and more to them like a bio-mechanical suit. The additional spaces and room for crew were for their organic thralls to tend to them and to provide for their transportation along with the leviathan.

When the Intelligence/Catalyst turned on the Leviathans and turned them into the first "true Reaper", it likely just copied this technology the best it could. The core "entity", vulnerable and ill suited for mobility, was encased in the larger apparatus and so it continued for every species. This would explain the silliness of why even bother with a "Reaper core" and have a big goofy terminator human reaper larva. Everything about the Reapers is an imperfect copy of the Leviathans technology (I say imperfect because it is hinted the Leviathans are still more advanced).

[Pitznik]

Grimjol wrote...

 In short here's how I think the whole process works from all the info from all the games:

1) The human-reaper was tiny compered to all other reapers and so must have been a very earily embryo as EDI speculates (a few months/years old (a reaper harvest can last centuries and its only at the end of one when a reaper is born))  and so would look almost nothing like the finished article (human embryo's tend to look nothing like humans till day 44ish of the pregnacy)

Actually the information about human Reaper being meant to be put inside cuttlefish shell is not a speculation, but direct quote from interview with Mac Walters.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

Thaa_solon wrote...

The original idea was that every reaper had the exterior look of the race harvested

Pause at 3.04-3.05

This is from me2 arrival

When the clock times out


.........


See diffrent reaper shapes(omg srsly why did BW not follow up on this)


So because retcon = derp

And yet, they all look remarkably similar. Same at the end of ME2 wher we see several identical reapers. So unless every previous harvested species looked like cuttlefish, the outside of the reaper was never supposed to look like the species that was harvested.

The reason why the reapers look identical in ME3 is Gameplay and Story segregation. It's the reason we don't go up in arms when humans in games share character models and are not completely unique despite the fact that they should be.

a 2 second shot showing different reapers =/= to what we we see in ME3. The reapers are on screen for long periods of time. Animating each and every one of them differently is time consuming and simply not worth the effort. Bioware aren't the only ones who do this. Every form of animation has this. Anyone who complains that the reapers don't look unique is being childish and I'm being unnecessarily kind to these people when I say this.

[Grimjol]

Pitznik wrote...

Grimjol wrote...

 In short here's how I think the whole process works from all the info from all the games:

1) The human-reaper was tiny compered to all other reapers and so must have been a very earily embryo as EDI speculates (a few months/years old (a reaper harvest can last centuries and its only at the end of one when a reaper is born))  and so would look almost nothing like the finished article (human embryo's tend to look nothing like humans till day 44ish of the pregnacy)

Actually the information about human Reaper being meant to be put inside cuttlefish shell is not a speculation, but direct quote from interview with Mac Walters.

Yeh, but what do the writers know, lol, they couldn't even come up with an ending that made sense lol. Plus when he said that it was probably an "on the spot answer" thought up to give credense to the Human-Reaper plot hole, without confusing to many people. Personally, I think my idea is much better lol.

Modifié par Grimjol, 04 septembre 2012 - 12:51 .

[Little Princess Peach]

The human reaper was suposed to be used for the original ending, black wholes and what not I think since bioware scraped that ending they should of left it out otherwise it's just a uesless thing that hangs around the curberous HQ

[Hudathan]

Maybe they though that humanity has proven to be so special that they might start making Reapers in our image.

[MegaSovereign]

And inside Harbinger is another cuddlefish.

[Pitznik]

Grimjol wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Grimjol wrote...

 In short here's how I think the whole process works from all the info from all the games:

1) The human-reaper was tiny compered to all other reapers and so must have been a very earily embryo as EDI speculates (a few months/years old (a reaper harvest can last centuries and its only at the end of one when a reaper is born))  and so would look almost nothing like the finished article (human embryo's tend to look nothing like humans till day 44ish of the pregnacy)

Actually the information about human Reaper being meant to be put inside cuttlefish shell is not a speculation, but direct quote from interview with Mac Walters.

Yeh, but what do the writers know, lol, they couldn't even come up with an ending that made sense lol. Plus when he said that it was probably an "on the spot answer" thought up to give credense to the Human-Reaper plot hole, without confusing to many people. Personally, I think my idea is much better lol.

Well, your idea fits the derelict Reaper better.