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[Barnzy]

BiO_MaN wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

A friend suggested the different looking reapers are Troop Transporters and Processing Ships.

It is possible that some of the varients seen in these cutscenes do represent either the Troop Transporters or Processing Ships, especially the one seen in my above post, as it does feature in both ME2 and ME3. But there are too many varients for them all to still be canon.

Time restraints would have also played a role in Reaper ships variety.

No doubt! This reaper can be found within the ME2 files, but it appears to have been cut in-game, possibly due to time constraints. Even though it can still be seen in the ending cutscene of ME2:

[BiO]

Interesting. I wasn't aware of this Reaper being in ME2 files. A possible explanation would be that some harvested species are simply bigger than others, and their 'cores' would require more space (imagine a Yagh or an Elcor being harvested). Thus, it's still retaining the core lines of Harbinger, but has some aspects change to accommodate for the different core.

[Barnzy]

BiO_MaN wrote...

Interesting. I wasn't aware of this Reaper being in ME2 files. A possible explanation would be that some harvested species are simply bigger than others, and their 'cores' would require more space (imagine a Yagh or an Elcor being harvested). Thus, it's still retaining the core lines of Harbinger, but has some aspects change to accommodate for the different core.

Its a good idea! Though there's unfortunatly no way to prove it! If only bioware actually addressed the whole reaper core issue in game, rather than us relying on the rare comment of one of the writers. Hopefully a future DLC may address the whole reaper core issue!

[Pitznik]

It lost his tentacles in the war against Protheans and they couldn't repair it, cause they were out of his species.

[Thaa_solon]

Barnzy wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

Okay roundish

But in the top picture then the middle to right reaper doesn't look really like a cuddlefish.......unless it has ONE gigant tentacle in it's front and is derpfish in it's design.

You mean this reaper:


While they all share a similar appearance, they do vary in tentacle number and overall shell shape. This one looks closer to a soverign reaper than the one emphasised in my original post above. Though it looks skinnier and has only 2 tentacles. Its still a variation of the cuttlefish design though

Doesn't reapers atleast look the same on the exterior???

Not in this pic my friend, cause downsyndromereaper is simply derp

Diffrent number tentacles I can buy, but it's slimmer and possibly longer!!!

Does it suffer from anorexia?

Nope, it suffer the curse of retcon: hereby and forever is derp

[Thaa_solon]

Barnzy wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

A friend suggested the different looking reapers are Troop Transporters and Processing Ships.

It is possible that some of the varients seen in these cutscenes do represent either the Troop Transporters or Processing Ships, especially the one seen in my above post, as it does feature in both ME2 and ME3. But there are too many varients for them all to still be canon.

Time restraints would have also played a role in Reaper ships variety.

No doubt! This reaper can be found within the ME2 files, but it appears to have been cut in-game, possibly due to time constraints. Even though it can still be seen in the ending cutscene of ME2:

Yet another wonderful example of derp

[Henioo]

Mass Effect being contradictory?

Well, what else is new?

[Thaa_solon]

Henioo wrote...

Mass Effect being contradictory?

Well, what else is new?

Leviathans are derp

[Barnzy]

Thaa_solon wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

Okay roundish

But in the top picture then the middle to right reaper doesn't look really like a cuddlefish.......unless it has ONE gigant tentacle in it's front and is derpfish in it's design.

You mean this reaper:


While they all share a similar appearance, they do vary in tentacle number and overall shell shape. This one looks closer to a soverign reaper than the one emphasised in my original post above. Though it looks skinnier and has only 2 tentacles. Its still a variation of the cuttlefish design though

Doesn't reapers atleast look the same on the exterior???

Not in this pic my friend, cause downsyndromereaper is simply derp

Diffrent number tentacles I can buy, but it's slimmer and possibly longer!!!

Does it suffer from anorexia?

Nope, it suffer the curse of retcon: hereby and forever is derp

I'm not quite sure what your point is ... yes, there are reapers of different designs, but share an overall cuttlefish inspired look .... yes, bioware retconned SOME of the reaper designs, as there aren't enough roles (troop transport & processor) to fit the vast array of reaper designs seen in the end of ME2. But no, the whole reaper core idea was not a retcon! All of these reapers share a similar cuttlefish/marine life design. So if the whole reaper was made in the image of the harvested species, all previous cycles would have involved the reapers harvesting marine life and cuttlefish only! NO! This did not take place! Instead, the reapers make the core in the shape of the species it is harvested from, and this is then placed in a cuttleshell like shell. Just because the reapers seen in ME2's ending cutscene were more varied in their cuttlefish inspired design, when compared to those seen in ME3, does not mean that the whole reaper core idea was not planned for ME2. therefore the whole argument that the human reaper has been retconned is false! It was always meant to be a core for a bigger reaper!

Modifié par Barnzy, 04 septembre 2012 - 05:58 .

[BiO]

What really irks me about BSN is how everyone talks trash about an ambiguous subject, instead of at least trying to explain it with valid lore. How come this place draws so much hatred and ignorance?

[Thaa_solon]

Barnzy wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

Okay roundish

But in the top picture then the middle to right reaper doesn't look really like a cuddlefish.......unless it has ONE gigant tentacle in it's front and is derpfish in it's design.

You mean this reaper:


While they all share a similar appearance, they do vary in tentacle number and overall shell shape. This one looks closer to a soverign reaper than the one emphasised in my original post above. Though it looks skinnier and has only 2 tentacles. Its still a variation of the cuttlefish design though

Doesn't reapers atleast look the same on the exterior???

Not in this pic my friend, cause downsyndromereaper is simply derp

Diffrent number tentacles I can buy, but it's slimmer and possibly longer!!!

Does it suffer from anorexia?

Nope, it suffer the curse of retcon: hereby and forever is derp

I'm not quite sure what your point is ... yes, there are reapres of differnt design, but share an overall cuttlefish inspired look .... yes, bioware retconned SOME of the reaper designs, as there aren't enough roles (troop transport & processos) to fit the vast array of reaper designs seen in the end of ME2. But no, the whole reaper core idea was not a retcon! All of these reapers share a similar cuttlefish/marine life design. So if the whole reaper was made in the image of the harvested species, all previous cycles would have involved the reapers harvesting marine life and cuttlefish only! NO! This did not take place! Instead, the reapers make the core in the shape of the species it is harvested from, and this is then placed in a cuttleshell like shell, just because the reapers seen in ME2's ending cutscene were more varied in their cuttlefish inspired design, when compared to those seen in ME3, does not mean that the whole reaper core idea was not planned for ME2. therefore the whole argument that the human reaper has been retconned is false! It was always meant to be a core for a bigger reaper!

Point made

[Barnzy]

Thaa_solon wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

Okay roundish

But in the top picture then the middle to right reaper doesn't look really like a cuddlefish.......unless it has ONE gigant tentacle in it's front and is derpfish in it's design.

You mean this reaper:


While they all share a similar appearance, they do vary in tentacle number and overall shell shape. This one looks closer to a soverign reaper than the one emphasised in my original post above. Though it looks skinnier and has only 2 tentacles. Its still a variation of the cuttlefish design though

Doesn't reapers atleast look the same on the exterior???

Not in this pic my friend, cause downsyndromereaper is simply derp

Diffrent number tentacles I can buy, but it's slimmer and possibly longer!!!

Does it suffer from anorexia?

Nope, it suffer the curse of retcon: hereby and forever is derp

I'm not quite sure what your point is ... yes, there are reapres of differnt design, but share an overall cuttlefish inspired look .... yes, bioware retconned SOME of the reaper designs, as there aren't enough roles (troop transport & processos) to fit the vast array of reaper designs seen in the end of ME2. But no, the whole reaper core idea was not a retcon! All of these reapers share a similar cuttlefish/marine life design. So if the whole reaper was made in the image of the harvested species, all previous cycles would have involved the reapers harvesting marine life and cuttlefish only! NO! This did not take place! Instead, the reapers make the core in the shape of the species it is harvested from, and this is then placed in a cuttleshell like shell, just because the reapers seen in ME2's ending cutscene were more varied in their cuttlefish inspired design, when compared to those seen in ME3, does not mean that the whole reaper core idea was not planned for ME2. therefore the whole argument that the human reaper has been retconned is false! It was always meant to be a core for a bigger reaper!

Point made

You were arguing that the reapers all had completely different designs based on the species they were harvested from ....
I argued otherwise. Your point was not made as i stated in that sentence that they retconned some of the cuttlefish designs. You have yet to show how some of these reapers look more like mammals or avians, as your original point would suggest, provided the reapers harvested more than cuttlefish.

Modifié par Barnzy, 04 septembre 2012 - 06:05 .

[Thaa_solon]

Barnzy wrote...

I'm not quite sure what your point is ... yes, there are reapers of different designs, but share an overall cuttlefish inspired look .... yes, bioware retconned SOME of the reaper designs, as there aren't enough roles (troop transport & processor) to fit the vast array of reaper designs seen in the end of ME2. But no, the whole reaper core idea was not a retcon! All of these reapers share a similar cuttlefish/marine life design. So if the whole reaper was made in the image of the harvested species, all previous cycles would have involved the reapers harvesting marine life and cuttlefish only! NO! This did not take place! Instead, the reapers make the core in the shape of the species it is harvested from, and this is then placed in a cuttleshell like shell. Just because the reapers seen in ME2's ending cutscene were more varied in their cuttlefish inspired design, when compared to those seen in ME3, does not mean that the whole reaper core idea was not planned for ME2. therefore the whole argument that the human reaper has been retconned is false! It was always meant to be a core for a bigger reaper!

What happend to seeker swarms?

A single reaper(sovereign class) can carry an army why need troop transports?

This is silly derping from BW

Modifié par Thaa_solon, 04 septembre 2012 - 06:08 .

[Thaa_solon]

Barnzy wrote...

You were arguing that the reapers all had completely different designs based on the species they were harvested from ....
I
argued otherwise. Your point was not made as i stated in that sentence
that they retconned some of the cuttlefish designs. You have yet to show
how some of these reapers look more like mammals or avians, as your
original point would suggest, provided the reapers harvested more than
cuttlefish.

It was supposed to be BW's original plan but due to derp they simply retconned the entire reaper design


Edit: We can only assume that BW didn't think this reaperisation through and went the other way(cuddlefish)
Then pull the "humanreaper as a core" out of the ass.

It really doesn't make any sense otherwise

Modifié par Thaa_solon, 04 septembre 2012 - 06:12 .

[Thaa_solon]

BiO_MaN wrote...

What really irks me about BSN is how everyone talks trash about an ambiguous subject, instead of at least trying to explain it with valid lore. How come this place draws so much hatred and ignorance?

The lore is toast(Thanks to BW)

And no hatred here, just derp

[Barnzy]

Thaa_solon wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

You were arguing that the reapers all had completely different designs based on the species they were harvested from ....
I argued otherwise .....

It was supposed to be BW's original plan but due to derp they simply retconned the entire reaper design

I can see how they retconned some of the reaper cuttlefish designs. But you have yet to show how it was bioware's original intent to have all the reapers look completely different. ME2 showed that were all inspired by the cuttlefish design, however they were varied in this design. If you have a source that shows that each reaper was originally supposed to look completely different, i'd like to see it.

Modifié par Barnzy, 04 septembre 2012 - 06:10 .

[BiO]

Thaa_solon wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

What really irks me about BSN is how everyone talks trash about an ambiguous subject, instead of at least trying to explain it with valid lore. How come this place draws so much hatred and ignorance?

The lore is toast(Thanks to BW)

And no hatred here, just derp

This is exactly what I meant. Keeping going with such a mind-set, I'm sure you'll enjoy future DLC.

[anokie]

Sausages

[Thaa_solon]

BiO_MaN wrote...

This is exactly what I meant. Keeping going with such a mind-set, I'm sure you'll enjoy future DLC.

EC was a retcon bananza(WTF!?)

Didn't enjoy Leviathan on YT probably won't on the xbox

This is why I fight here on BSN, to save ME3........from itself

The fight for the game we were promised, the gave we never got.....and probably never will get

But hope still exists despite derp from BW

Modifié par Thaa_solon, 04 septembre 2012 - 06:21 .

[BiO]

Thaa_solon wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

This is exactly what I meant. Keeping going with such a mind-set, I'm sure you'll enjoy future DLC.

EC was a retcon bananza(WTF!?)

Didn't enjoy Leviathan on YT probably won't on the xbox

This is why I fight here on BSN, to save ME3........from itself

The fight for the game we were promised, the gave we never got.....and probably never will get

But hope still exists despite derp from BW

What I think is happening is Bioware not handling the story exposition properly, due to time constraints, and ME2 creating a really entagled plot regarding Cerberus. It's not neccesarily the fan's fault, but I really do think you guys should put a bit more effort into understanding the underlying plot points in ME3. Don't scrub it off so hastily as a "plot-hole" or "a needless addition to a needless plot point", as most of the peole on BSN do. Instead, try to connect it to a previous event in the series. In the end, the game is out, and no amount of ****ing from BSN is going to change the way it is. Instead of being all negative, try being constructive.

Modifié par BiO_MaN, 04 septembre 2012 - 06:24 .

[Barnzy]

Thaa_solon wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

This is exactly what I meant. Keeping going with such a mind-set, I'm sure you'll enjoy future DLC.

EC was a retcon bananza(WTF!?)

Didn't enjoy Leviathan on YT probably won't on the xbox

This is why I fight here on BSN, to save ME3........from itself

The fight for the game we were promised, the gave we never got.....and probably never will get

But hope still exists despite derp from BW

Really, this is what you call "fighing for the game we were promised". Including the word "derp" in every one of your posts. I'm sure they'll listen, keep it up!

[Barnzy]

BiO_MaN wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

This is exactly what I meant. Keeping going with such a mind-set, I'm sure you'll enjoy future DLC.

EC was a retcon bananza(WTF!?)

Didn't enjoy Leviathan on YT probably won't on the xbox

This is why I fight here on BSN, to save ME3........from itself

The fight for the game we were promised, the gave we never got.....and probably never will get

But hope still exists despite derp from BW

What I think is happening is Bioware not handling the story exposition properly, due to time constraints, and ME2 creating a really entagled plot regarding Cerberus. It's not neccesarily the fan's fault, but I really do think you guys should put a bit more effort into understanding the underlying plot points in ME3. Don't scrub it off so hastily as a "plot-hole" or "a needless addition to a needless plot point", as most of the peole on BSN do. Instead, try to connect it to a previous event in the series. In the end, the game is out, and no amount of ****ing from BSN is going to change the way it is. Instead of being all negative, try being constructive.

Thank god there are still some reasonable people here on BSN

[Thaa_solon]

BiO_MaN wrote...

What I think is happening is Bioware not handling the story exposition properly, due to time constraints, and ME2 creating a really entagled plot regarding Cerberus. It's not neccesarily the fan's fault, but I really do think you guys should put a bit more effort into understanding the underlying plot points in ME3. Don't scrub it off so hastily as a "plot-hole" or "a needless addition to a needless plot point", as most of the peole on BSN do. Instead, try to connect it to a previous event in the series. In the end, the game is out, and no amount of ****ing from BSN is going to change the way it is. Instead of being all negative, try being constructive.

I will reflect opon this

[Thaa_solon]

Barnzy wrote...

Really, this is what you call "fighing for the game we were promised". Including the word "derp" in every one of your posts. I'm sure they'll listen, keep it up!

If I promised you ONEMILLION dollars and you didn't get it, Im pretty sure you would go derp also.

Also Im really not after the attention of BW(they didn't really listen in the first place) simply it's interresting how other people here on BSN agree/disagree over BW's mistakes.

[BiO]

Thaa_solon wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

Really, this is what you call "fighing for the game we were promised". Including the word "derp" in every one of your posts. I'm sure they'll listen, keep it up!

If I promised you ONEMILLION dollars and you didn't get it, Im pretty sure you would go derp also.

Also Im really not after the attention of BW(they didn't really listen in the first place) simply it's interresting how other people here on BSN agree/disagree over BW's mistakes.

I've said it many times before to other users - this is EA's fault, not Bioware's. Maybe Bioware could have fleshed out their ideas better in such a short time-span, but in the end, it is not Bioware who set this dev time, it's EA. If Bioware didn't have a dead-line, Mass Effect 3 would have been so much more.