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[Taboo]

Nicsienieda wrote...

Is it bad that I like porn?

So as long as it isn't illegal there is nothing wrong with you.

As long as it doesn't take over aspects of your life there is nothing wrong with looking at it.

[Taboo]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

What arouses depends on person to person. Big deal that she's in that position.

And just because something gets you thinking on sexual lines doesn't make it pornography either. That's absurd.

And, you also seem stuck on the idea of whether it actually arouses or not.

That doesn't matter.

What matters is the intent.

There are people who get turned on, and indeed "have sex with," however possible...with cars.

Cars aren't porn.

It doesn't matter whether it actually titilates or not. The intention matters.

Neither is that screen grab. What constituates pornography varies from person to person.

Egon Schiele painted woman performing sex acts on themselves. The intent was to provoke. But it is not pornography. 

To provoke does not equal pornography. That is a silly notion to have.

[Taboo]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Neither is that screen grab. What constituates pornography varies from person to person.

Egon Schiele painted woman performing sex acts on themselves. The intent was to provoke. But it is not pornography. 

To provoke does not equal pornography. That is a silly notion to have.

You're wrong. There's a definition. What you propose is anarchy.

Edit: you won't understand me. What I mean is, if there is no definition for something, for anything, the word is utterly meaningless.

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Egon Schiele is not pornography. Neither is Edvard Munch. Both have strong sexual connotations in there work.

Not pornography.

[N7 Lisbeth]

I know I could've handled and welcomed the departure of underwear. I don't necessitate nudity, but underwear is an instant immersion-breaker for me in just about every scene it was in for Mass Effect. The scenes where underwear is finally shown is so far into the act that it's outright laughable. And showering in your bra and thong? Who does that, or even suggests it being included, much less defends it?

<Shakes head> Liara's scene was the only believable one, and no nudity was shown unless you want to start removing bare legs from the game. Wait, I probably shouldn't suggest that, even as a joke. People here will take me up on it. <Shakes head again, walks away>

[Bowie Hawkins]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Bowie Hawkins wrote...

With FemShep it's even moreso, because then both of them are in their underwear.

Um...it's...only with Femshep. Traynor is lesbian.

I must've had Ashley's scene on my mind when I was writing my previous reply. So you're right that the underwear in the Traynor love scene is just plain stupid and ridiculous.

[Mimitochan]

legion 21 wrote...

Mass effect was rated M for a reason, i don't understand why bioware didn't make the love scenes a bit more mature

MATURE
Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

I don't understand what you mean by "more mature" love scenes exactly.
Ratings are meant to deliver information about a product to consumers, they do not define its contents.

On a side note, I only experienced Kaidan's love scenes throughout the franchise.
The ME1 love scene was far superior imo. Although the ME3 one was OK, i always feel like i'm attending a biology lesson, it doesn't feel immersive and the art direction is disappointing. The fact that they both wake up in their underwear doesn't help. Lovely animations and dialogues though (apart from that StarBrat dream).

I've never seen Liara's, I heard she's the only female character who gets to be naked, and i'm really puzzled as to why she got a special treatment.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 04 septembre 2012 - 10:21 .

[Stalker]

Mimitochan wrote...

legion 21 wrote...

Mass effect was rated M for a reason, i don't understand why bioware didn't make the love scenes a bit more mature

MATURE
Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

I don't understand what you mean by "more mature" love scenes exactly.
Ratings are meant to deliver information about a product to consumers, they do not define its contents.

On a side note, I only experienced Kaidan's love scenes throughout the franchise.
The ME1 love scene was far superior imo. Although the ME3 one was OK, i always feel like i'm attending a biology lesson, it doesn't feel immersive and the art direction is disappointing. The fact that they both wake up in their underwear doesn't help. Lovely animations and dialogues though (apart from that StarBrat dream).

I've never seen Liara's, I heard she's the only female character who gets to be naked, and i'm really puzzled as to why she got a special treatment.

1. While it's true that the rating does not say anything about content, the OP meant something different: With the rating they were already allowed to include nudity. So why was Traynor showering in underwear? Why does Ashley only get on top with underwear and also wakes up with it? Why such censorship when your audience are adults already?

2. You should really go watch the Liara love scene. It includes wild kisses, humping and even an orgasm. Ridiculus amount of mature detail in that scene, yet every other character is cut off with unrealistic and immersion-breaking cencoring.


OT:
I don't think nudity is essential for a love scene but it should show actual encounters, not some vague fade-to-black hinting.
For example, I really liked something like ME2 Miranda: approaching, touching, kissing... this scene didn't have to show any nudity to be intense.
Of course, same with ME1 scene: You don't see anything of the actual sex, but you have a tasteful romantic scene that shows the bond between the characters.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 04 septembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[CptData]

legion 21 wrote...

Mass effect was rated M for a reason, i don't understand why bioware didn't make the love scenes a bit more mature

You got a fully naked Liara in ME3.
If you don't like her ... well ... that's bad ... <_<

[CroGamer002]

^Also, Banshee's are more naked then Liara.

They have a vagina and kinda nipples.

Not even Liara has that, so what the hell Bioware.

I'm seriously curious what kind of line of logic you have. Smudboy's logic makes more damn sense.

[Dominus]

Oh. It's this topic. Nudity, by itself, does not sell me a game. Scenes with Intimacy, Games that Evoke Emotions, that might do it. But, I mean, if you're looking for nudity purely for seeing your squadmates naked, try the internet.

Just google Fornax, or something.

[Stalker]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Also, Banshee's are more naked then Liara.

They have a vagina and kinda nipples.

Not even Liara has that, so what the hell Bioware.

I'm seriously curious what kind of line of logic you have. Smudboy's logic makes more damn sense.

It's not BioWare logic, it's American.
Disgusting aliens with deformed nipples and vaginas can get their head blown off, but don't you ever show a Human naked!

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 04 septembre 2012 - 11:16 .

[CptData]

^ this man, he's right.

Violence is totally okay.
Nudity is not.

Guess it's based on the views of a violent religion O.o

[CroGamer002]

Never mind.

Modifié par Mesina2, 04 septembre 2012 - 11:27 .

[Karrie788]

I don't think those views on violence and nudity in video games are exclusive to Americans. Far from it. There are idiots everywhere. =)

That being said, yes, the love scenes in ME3 were pretty ridiculous, except Liara's, which was very well done, and I don't even like her. I think ME1 pulled them best.

[CptData]

EntropicAngel wrote...

CptData wrote...

Guess it's based on the views of a violent religion O.o

This is also a path we don't want to go down, considering that

A. It's against the site rules

B. You're a little confused on which religion is violent.

Don't worry, I won't go down that path - I won't name which Religion. It's not the obvious one 'though.

Also it's no anti-americanism on my side. We have a similar development in Europe right now. See, I was born in GDR and I'm quite familiar with nudism and normal understanding of sexuality.

Can you imagine how I -hate- prudery?

I love people who're fully confident about their sexuality - free spirited people.


I'm with Karrie here ...

Modifié par CptData, 04 septembre 2012 - 11:27 .

[Dominus]

That being said, yes, the love scenes in ME3 were pretty ridiculous, except Liara's, which was very well done, and I don't even like her. I think ME1 pulled them best.

Relatively better than ME2, but mostly unimpressive. Diana Allers' "Romance" made me nauseous. Liara was the one rare scene that actually pulled off genuine romance. They used clever lighting to have nudity without having to reveal everything. That's likely the direction we'll see from BioWare in the future. If you want full frontal, might want to look somewhere else.

Modifié par DominusVita, 04 septembre 2012 - 11:30 .

[Mimitochan]

Mr Massakka wrote...
1. While it's true that the rating does not say anything about content, the OP meant something different: With the rating they were already allowed to include nudity. So why was Traynor showering in underwear? Why does Ashley only get on top with underwear and also wakes up with it? Why such censorship when your audience are adults already?

2. You should really go watch the Liara love scene. It includes wild kisses, humping and even an orgasm. Ridiculus amount of mature detail in that scene, yet every other character is cut off with unrealistic and immersion-breaking cencoring.

Well... I've just watched Liara's scene and huh... she uses biotics during intercourse?
Oh and huh that flashing saturated thing... oh wow, i'm glad i didn't have that for my femShep -  i think i would have fallen off my chair
I'm just happy with Kaidan's as it is on second thought !

Very interesting, I guess they wanted it to feel more "alien"?
Each pair seems to have a different art direction and so on. In that scene, it's really Liara who's the star of the show - i'm really jealous that she gets to be naked while femShep gets to wear that miserable piece of ugly black underwear. And they took special care in giving her a nice skin texture. Since you hardly see Shepard in there, the perspective is more that of the player who's watching the scene. 

On the other hand, I feel that Kaidan scene focuses more on the "couple", I mean on the playful thing that's going on between the both of them, and i really love that.
 
ME1 is still the best to me because it solved very tastefully all those different issues: nudity, perspective, immersion, male vs. female, Shepard vs. player, very smart scene indeed.

EDIT> oh, and that kind of blue moon lighting in Shepard's cabin?? Gorgeous.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 04 septembre 2012 - 11:37 .

[CptData]

DominusVita wrote...

That being said, yes, the love scenes in ME3 were pretty ridiculous, except Liara's, which was very well done, and I don't even like her. I think ME1 pulled them best.

Relatively better than ME2, but mostly unimpressive. Diana Allers' "Romance" made me nauseous. Liara was the one rare scene that actually pulled off genuine romance. They used clever lighting to have nudity without having to reveal everything. That's likely the direction we'll see from BioWare in the future. If you want full frontal, might want to look somewhere else.

I wish they would have done the same with Ashley.

I mean, I can understand why she wears underwear in the first part of the romantic climax - it's called foreplay and doesn't need full nudity. Also some shots were placed where you could see Ashley's "secret place" - so full nudity would have forced the "camera guy" to use different angles.

However, the post sex scene (after the dream) should have featured a fully naked Ashley: bra and pants aren't considered as comfortable by most women - and after a night of passion, Ashley might have preferred to sleep naked.

It gets even more ridiculous with Traynor. Who takes a shower in underwear?