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[EnvyTB075]

I have a relatively messed up view on it, being that the lingerie makes me feel like i'm invading a personal moment, whereas if the characters hadn't been trying to cover up and the camera had avoided certain areas i'd be ok with it...if that makes sense....

I dunno, i just felt weird seeing Shep sleeping on her bed without any covers and wearing only her undies after what little there was of Garrus' scene. There should have been more, i wanna know what they look like out of sheer curiosity rather than getting turned on...

....there are other places for that.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 04 septembre 2012 - 12:02 .

[Mimitochan]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

I have a relatively messed up view on it, being that the lingerie makes me feel like i'm invading a personal moment, whereas if the characters hadn't been trying to cover up and the camera had avoided certain areas i'd be ok with it...if that makes sense....

I dunno, i just felt weird seeing Shep sleeping on her bed without any covers and wearing only her undies after what little there was of Garrus' scene. There should have been more, i wanna know what they look like out of sheer curiosity rather than getting turned on...

....there are other places for that.

Huh, not sure about the second part of your post, since i don't know the Garrus scene, but i totally agree about the underwear thing.
 
It feels a lot more like you're some sort of "voyeur" because of the underwear that reminds you that you are a player in front of a video game and that you are not Shepard, but somebody spying on his/her intimacy with a NPC. That's why the ME1 scene felt a lot more natural and less awkward, the love scene was just a natural part of the immersive narrative whereas in ME3 it feels like THE sex scene, almost like an easter egg. I miss ME1 

In a nutshell, i feel like ME3 makes you watch the scene, whereas ME1 was more about experiencing it. 

Modifié par Mimitochan, 04 septembre 2012 - 12:10 .

[CptData]

^ believe me, it's not just the awkward sex scene that makes me missing ME1.

I'm currently replaying ME1 and I must say, ME3 doesn't have any features left I loved in ME1. No exploration, no real RPG anymore, lacking character development and, and, and ...

All that's left is the shooting.

[Mimitochan]

CptData wrote...

^ believe me, it's not just the awkward sex scene that makes me missing ME1.

I'm currently replaying ME1 and I must say, ME3 doesn't have any features left I loved in ME1. No exploration, no real RPG anymore, lacking character development and, and, and ...

All that's left is the shooting.

Well, of course
Maybe I should add this in my sig: my default opinion is that everything - love scenes included - was better in ME1.
I could write pages on the subject, but there you go, just this one sentence says it all.

When I happen to meet ME newbies, I just tell them there's only one game in the franchise

[CptData]

Actually, the only thing that's better in ME3 is the combat system and the upgrade system for guns and armor.

So if I had to remake ME1, I would include only those two points, next to updated graphics of course. Besides that, I wouldn't change anything when it comes to characters, but add even more levels of character development - and I would improve the story so Cerberus gets a full story arc in that game.
Besides that: it would still feel like original ME1.

[Mimitochan]

CptData wrote...

Actually, the only thing that's better in ME3 is the combat system and the upgrade system for guns and armor.

So if I had to remake ME1, I would include only those two points, next to updated graphics of course. Besides that, I wouldn't change anything when it comes to characters, but add even more levels of character development - and I would improve the story so Cerberus gets a full story arc in that game.
Besides that: it would still feel like original ME1.

We're moving OT here I think - but i just can't resist

ME3 combat is a lot more casual and i just hate the god damned linear corridors. Also, I happen to be a fan of the old overheating weapon system. ME1 combat was a lot more real-time and unpredictable, because of the lack of power cooldown and because maps were open. I almost never used the squad screen then, which meant combat was a lot more fast-paced and immersive (again).
Do you play ME3 MP? If you do, certainly you must feel now how hollow ME3 SP combat system actually is.
 
On the armoury, what i would improve in ME1 is the interface, not the system > just rethinking the inventory display and management from shops and on the Normandy would save a lot of time and would be less of a pain in the a**. And more fun, too.

Also, AI in general was rather poor - especially squadmates.

Graphics, that's a difficult issue. To me, ME1 looked a lot better, because the art direction was a lot more consistent with the game performances and engine. ME3 may have "better quality" graphics, but they don't add anything to the immersive quality of the game, quite the contrary unfortunately. The film grain from ME1 helped cover some of the game graphic flaws, but it was so smartly implemented, to me, it's part of ME1's identity, and i miss that, too.

Also, the lighting, the scenery (all those planets !!), the space opera feeling, and the COLOURS!! ME1 was beautiful

Modifié par Mimitochan, 04 septembre 2012 - 12:45 .

[CptData]

Yeah, OT. Actually, I don't really like the ME1 combat system. The only good feature is the cooling down system, which could return as modification.
What I disliked most is the bad cover system in ME1 - I think, ME2/3 come with a better system here. Overall, the combat system of ME3 felt more complete, but you're right about the lack of open space.

What I also don't like in ME3 is the constant combat stance. In ME1, you had some calm points where you had time to talk to others. Like on Ferros for example - still a well done level, very believeable. The hub-world concept was done in a darn great way in ME1, that concept died entirely in ME3. You only have the Citadel als real hubworld. ME2 did a good job here too.

And the graphics? Well, I like the refined looks of the characters and it's not too difficult to produce a consistent look and authentic worlds. I also liked the film grain in ME1/ME2. But that's a different topic.

Really OT.
But hey, someone had to say it. ^^

[Cheesesack]

It's a contentious issue, but it has always seemed weird to me how it takes an absolute insane amount of messed up and sickening gore to get a game 'poo-pooed', but all it takes is one brief female nipple-shot for the press and soccer moms to fly into a frenzy.

Nudity is a natural part of life. Everyone's seen someone named (themselves), and the vast, vast majority of people will see one and oftentimes, more than one other person naked during their lifetime. Also, just about everyone sees tons of that kid of stuff on the internet anyway. It's a natural part of life.

Bloody violence on the other hand, is not. People will hardly ever see true gore during their lifetime, and if they do, it's usually in horrifying, traumatising situations. real life, human gore is not something anyone should be exposed to unless absolutely necessary.

Why then, is blood and guts and dismemberment okay, but mature sexual contant not? I'm not arguing against gore, I love it (in video games), my point is is that if that should be allowed, then so too should nudity.

Now I agree, if it's just tasteless and pornographic for the sake, there's no point. If I wanted to see that, I'd just watch porn, not two CGI, imaginary characters doing it. If it's done tastefully however, in the context of a scene which consiumates a romance, I really see no problem. Like the OP said, the game is already rated M; it shouldn't be being played by people under the age of 17. If it is, that's the fault of the shops that sell the game or the parents that buy it for their kids, not the game company.

Nudity gives a romance scene a touch of realism, as well as making it more intimate and beautiful. They shouldn't focus on it, but there's no reason to cover everyone up with tacky-looking underwear. Just have a romantic scene, and if some nipples or whatever show, then so what?

[chasemme]

I genuinely don't know how to respond to this topic.

On one hand, effort into making good sex scenes for ME seems like a waste of time and effort to me. On the other hand, they went above and beyond for Liara's, so I dunno where their priorities lie, really. Maybe they just lie with Liara. Hah.

Can't we all just romance Tali? That's what I did, never had a complaint.

[Doodle]

i romanced Tali...

then cheated on her with a Human Male Sentinel...

can you guess ?


And OT:

I never romanced anyone in ME1 so i generally don't know the scene...

*goes youtube*

okay...

i'm not bothered

Modifié par I LikeTo Doodle, 04 septembre 2012 - 07:15 .

[EnvyTB075]

Mimitochan wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

I have a relatively messed up view on it, being that the lingerie makes me feel like i'm invading a personal moment, whereas if the characters hadn't been trying to cover up and the camera had avoided certain areas i'd be ok with it...if that makes sense....

I dunno, i just felt weird seeing Shep sleeping on her bed without any covers and wearing only her undies after what little there was of Garrus' scene. There should have been more, i wanna know what they look like out of sheer curiosity rather than getting turned on...

....there are other places for that.

Huh, not sure about the second part of your post, since i don't know the Garrus scene, but i totally agree about the underwear thing.
 
It feels a lot more like you're some sort of "voyeur" because of the underwear that reminds you that you are a player in front of a video game and that you are not Shepard, but somebody spying on his/her intimacy with a NPC. That's why the ME1 scene felt a lot more natural and less awkward, the love scene was just a natural part of the immersive narrative whereas in ME3 it feels like THE sex scene, almost like an easter egg. I miss ME1 

In a nutshell, i feel like ME3 makes you watch the scene, whereas ME1 was more about experiencing it. 

Was talking about Garrus and how we simply don't know what Turians look like canonically underneath because BW wasted the scene. Hes fully clothed (and their bodies can't be that easy to dress) at the end and sheps laying on top of her covers in her undies. It doesn't make sense.

I also dislike the part where they forgot that Turians simply don't know how to kiss, and without evidence of Shepards instruction, it just looks odd and tacky.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 04 septembre 2012 - 09:25 .

[Skullheart]

walters has only one waifu, so she'llbe the only getting a "nude" romance scene. The rest will get a generic underwear model, a fade to black or nothing.

[Legion of 1337]

Ok, this game has people getting shot up, blown up, tons of gore (much more than previously), but somehow Bioware thinks it's too risque to make a goddamn SEX SCENE have nudity in it. Only Liara really shows any kind of skin, and that's simply another of Bioware's not-so-subliminal "Liara is your canon love interest" messages.

I mean, you can have nudity in a video game and have it not be gratuitous. This isn't God of War, the sex isn't just thrown in because it's part of some sort of ultimate male power fantasy (which is what God of War is), it's there because they actually took the time to write a proper romantic subplot, one that's good enough that we have huge fanclubs for the various love interests.

[Nicsienieda]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

Ok, this game has people getting shot up, blown up, tons of gore (much more than previously), but somehow Bioware thinks it's too risque to make a goddamn SEX SCENE have nudity in it. Only Liara really shows any kind of skin, and that's simply another of Bioware's not-so-subliminal "Liara is your canon love interest" messages.

I mean, you can have nudity in a video game and have it not be gratuitous. This isn't God of War, the sex isn't just thrown in because it's part of some sort of ultimate male power fantasy (which is what God of War is), it's there because they actually took the time to write a proper romantic subplot, one that's good enough that we have huge fanclubs for the various love interests.

I felt like Liara's scene was class, precisely what games need. Not too nude but at the same time
not idiotic, like Traynor, for example. While I think Witcher 2 went to far, I feel ME3, except for Liara,
of course, fell short. People saying it is pornography must be easily (too easily?) stimulated. The
scene last like 10 seconds and shows nothing.

Modifié par Nicsienieda, 05 septembre 2012 - 06:36 .

[Nicsienieda]

Nicsienieda wrote...

Legion of 1337 wrote...

Ok, this game has people getting shot up, blown up, tons of gore (much more than previously), but somehow Bioware thinks it's too risque to make a goddamn SEX SCENE have nudity in it. Only Liara really shows any kind of skin, and that's simply another of Bioware's not-so-subliminal "Liara is your canon love interest" messages.

I mean, you can have nudity in a video game and have it not be gratuitous. This isn't God of War, the sex isn't just thrown in because it's part of some sort of ultimate male power fantasy (which is what God of War is), it's there because they actually took the time to write a proper romantic subplot, one that's good enough that we have huge fanclubs for the various love interests.

I felt like Liara's scene was class, precisely what games need. Not too nude but at the same time
not idiotic, like Traynor, for example. While I think Witcher 2 went too far, I feel ME3, except for Liara,
of course, fell short. People saying it is pornography must be easily (too easily?) stimulated. The
scene last like 10 seconds and shows nothing.

Oops, double post, sry.

Modifié par Nicsienieda, 05 septembre 2012 - 06:37 .

[CptData]

Nicsienieda wrote...

I felt like Liara's scene was class, precisely what games need. Not too nude but at the same time
not idiotic, like Traynor, for example. While I think Witcher 2 went to far, I feel ME3, except for Liara,
of course, fell short. People saying it is pornography must be easily (too easily?) stimulated. The
scene last like 10 seconds and shows nothing.

I think Traynor's scene would feel less idiotic if they hadn't add a shower scene.

First of all: it feels like a cheap way to please the guys for a juicy lesbian scene.
Second: Who in heck takes a shower while wearing underwear?
Third: Even if it's a bikini - who the heck takes a shower in a bikini?
Fourth: I rather have seen a more emotional commitment of love than ... yeah.

Liara's scene was fine, no doubt.
I just don't get it why Ashley or fem!Shep have to wear underwear - why it wasn't possible to take camshots without showing their chest.
I can live with underwear in a foreplay scene.
I can't with underwear after a night of passion - nearly every woman will concur here if I say, there's nothing more comfortable than sleeping naked after lovemaking ...

[Han Shot First]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
the sex scene itself should be relevent to the story.

Sounds like you read my thread! Prob not, but I'll stroke my ego, thank you.

Not until reading this post unfortunately!

I don't visit the DA2 forum too often. I do agree however that nudity isn't a determining factor in whether or not a sex scene is good and fits within or furthers the plot. Using film as an example, you can find both good and bad examples both with and without nudity.

[thearbiter1337]

News channels would go ape **** on Bioware

[Omega Torsk]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Maybe it's just me, but I find scenes where the characters are naked, but you don't see anything, far less awkward than scenes where it's two people rolling around on a bed in their underwear.

Which is why I think Liara's was well done. They didn't show anything, but it was actually believable, unlike the others.

This. I'm not asking for smut. Just something that fits the mood.

At first, I thought the Ash scene was passable... until I saw the Liara one and saw that they could've done much better... then I saw the Traynor one and realized that this game sank down to Dragon Age: Origins levels in terms of romance scenes...

Seriously, showering in your underwear? What were you thinking, Bioware???

[Reptilian Rob]

Bioware logic.

*Shows nasty ass Banshee vag and ******.*

*Never shows nude Asari, Human or any other species.*

Seems legit.

[Ladymac9811]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Bioware logic.

*Shows nasty ass Banshee vag and ******.*

*Never shows nude Asari, Human or any other species.*

Seems legit.

True

[almondroy]

CptData wrote...

Nicsienieda wrote...

I felt like Liara's scene was class, precisely what games need. Not too nude but at the same time
not idiotic, like Traynor, for example. While I think Witcher 2 went to far, I feel ME3, except for Liara,
of course, fell short. People saying it is pornography must be easily (too easily?) stimulated. The
scene last like 10 seconds and shows nothing.

I think Traynor's scene would feel less idiotic if they hadn't add a shower scene.

First of all: it feels like a cheap way to please the guys for a juicy lesbian scene.
Second: Who in heck takes a shower while wearing underwear?
Third: Even if it's a bikini - who the heck takes a shower in a bikini?
Fourth: I rather have seen a more emotional commitment of love than ... yeah.

Liara's scene was fine, no doubt.
I just don't get it why Ashley or fem!Shep have to wear underwear - why it wasn't possible to take camshots without showing their chest.
I can live with underwear in a foreplay scene.
I can't with underwear after a night of passion - nearly every woman will concur here if I say, there's nothing more comfortable than sleeping naked after lovemaking ...

Exactly to both of these. Implied nudity and showing LESS skin would have been accomplished at the same time simply by having a character under a blanket, obscuring furniture, lighting, a foggy shower stall, or something else to keep the Fox News-type-reactionaries at bay about 'dem evil video games'. This could have been applied to both ME2 and ME3.

[draken-heart]

Omega Torsk wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Maybe it's just me, but I find scenes where the characters are naked, but you don't see anything, far less awkward than scenes where it's two people rolling around on a bed in their underwear.

Which is why I think Liara's was well done. They didn't show anything, but it was actually believable, unlike the others.

This. I'm not asking for smut. Just something that fits the mood.

At first, I thought the Ash scene was passable... until I saw the Liara one and saw that they could've done much better... then I saw the Traynor one and realized that this game sank down to Dragon Age: Origins levels in terms of romance scenes...

Seriously, showering in your underwear? What were you thinking, Bioware???

I am sort of okay with the underwear/fade to black in the scene. For Samantha, what is awkward to me is more that the shower was way to soon. I actually headcanoned the romance developing behind the scenes.

[Han Shot First]

Omega Torsk wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Maybe it's just me, but I find scenes where the characters are naked, but you don't see anything, far less awkward than scenes where it's two people rolling around on a bed in their underwear.

Which is why I think Liara's was well done. They didn't show anything, but it was actually believable, unlike the others.

This. I'm not asking for smut. Just something that fits the mood.

At first, I thought the Ash scene was passable... until I saw the Liara one and saw that they could've done much better... then I saw the Traynor one and realized that this game sank down to Dragon Age: Origins levels in terms of romance scenes...

Seriously, showering in your underwear? What were you thinking, Bioware???

I thought Ashley's scene was good for the most part. The underwear was fine for the foreplay scene. The only issue I had with her scene is that after Shepard wakes up, Ashley is still wearing a bra. Like showering clothed, no one does that.