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[Ghost]

Han Shot First wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Maybe it's just me, but I find scenes where the characters are naked, but you don't see anything, far less awkward than scenes where it's two people rolling around on a bed in their underwear.

Which is why I think Liara's was well done. They didn't show anything, but it was actually believable, unlike the others.

This. I'm not asking for smut. Just something that fits the mood.

At first, I thought the Ash scene was passable... until I saw the Liara one and saw that they could've done much better... then I saw the Traynor one and realized that this game sank down to Dragon Age: Origins levels in terms of romance scenes...

Seriously, showering in your underwear? What were you thinking, Bioware???

I thought Ashley's scene was good for the most part. The underwear was fine for the foreplay scene. The only issue I had with her scene is that after Shepard wakes up, Ashley is still wearing a bra. Like showering clothed, no one does that.

If they removed it after Shep wakes up then it would have been fine.

[giftfish]

Yeah, I'm with Han Shot First and a few others here.  I think any sex scene and any nudity has to be true to the story and the characters.  It should add to the immersion, not detract from it (underwear in the shower?).  I thought ME1 scenes were very appropriate and tastefully done. 

On the other hand, ME3 scenes (except Liara's) actually broke immersion for me a bit.  It felt like BW was making a conscious effort to keep the NPC clothes on, and not make things "too" erotic...well, except with Liara.  I'm sure it's a difficult line to walk, but if they did it in ME1, they can do it in ME3.

I'm also in agreement on the whole violence thing.  It is a double standard.  Somehow showing the blood, guts, shooting people's brains out, etc is ok.  Yet showing nudity and sex is not ok.  Why the double standard?  I agree that if one is ok -- the other should be, too. If either other them shouldn't be ok, it is violence, not sex -- a natural biological process required by most organisms for reproduction.  What's funny is that BW seems to be one of the few companies out there with this double standard.  It seems to me (and I might be wrong) that there are plenty of games out there with both graphic violence and sex.  BW seems to be much less comfortable depicting sex than they are violence.  Jus tlook at all the blood in DA  for example.

Another thing BioWare could do is give people the option to control both situations a bit more.  Sort of like how they gave people the option to turn down the RP aspect of ME3 (honestly...wtf?  If you want to play a shooter, then go play a freaking shooter, not Mass Effect.  Sorry, I digress....).  Control the level of sexual themes and control the level of blood and gore.  Despite it being a "M/mature" game, different people have different comfort zones with both of these things.  I'd be fine with sex scenes that are a little bit more explicit, but I'd like to see less blood and gore, for example.

:Lastly, Webster's has a good definition of pornography.  There is a difference between something that is "suggestive/risque" and something that is truly pornographic. 

[Ghost]

giftfish wrote...

Yeah, I'm with Han Shot First and a few others here.  I think any sex scene and any nudity has to be true to the story and the characters.  It should add to the immersion, not detract from it (underwear in the shower?).  I thought ME1 scenes were very appropriate and tastefully done. 

On the other hand, ME3 scenes (except Liara's) actually broke immersion for me a bit.  It felt like BW was making a conscious effort to keep the NPC clothes on, and not make things "too" erotic...well, except with Liara.  I'm sure it's a difficult line to walk, but if they did it in ME1, they can do it in ME3.

I'm also in agreement on the whole violence thing.  It is a double standard.  Somehow showing the blood, guts, shooting people's brains out, etc is ok.  Yet showing nudity and sex is not ok.  Why the double standard?  I agree that if one is ok -- the other should be, too. If either other them shouldn't be ok, it is violence, not sex -- a natural biological process required by most organisms for reproduction.  What's funny is that BW seems to be one of the few companies out there with this double standard.  It seems to me (and I might be wrong) that there are plenty of games out there with both graphic violence and sex.  BW seems to be much less comfortable depicting sex than they are violence.  Jus tlook at all the blood in DA  for example.

Another thing BioWare could do is give people the option to control both situations a bit more.  Sort of like how they gave people the option to turn down the RP aspect of ME3 (honestly...wtf?  If you want to play a shooter, then go play a freaking shooter, not Mass Effect.  Sorry, I digress....).  Control the level of sexual themes and control the level of blood and gore.  Despite it being a "M/mature" game, different people have different comfort zones with both of these things.  I'd be fine with sex scenes that are a little bit more explicit, but I'd like to see less blood and gore, for example.

:Lastly, Webster's has a good definition of pornography.  There is a difference between something that is "suggestive/risque" and something that is truly pornographic. 

The scenes in ME1 were the same for all 3 characters with a little extra for Liara.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

legion 21 wrote...

Mass effect was rated M for a reason, i don't understand why bioware didn't make the love scenes a bit more mature

Because it's not necessary. I though romances weresuppose to enhance the game and make for a more memorable expirience, seeing boobs for ten seconds doesn't impact anything.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:49 .

[MACharlie1]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

legion 21 wrote...

Mass effect was rated M for a reason, i don't understand why bioware didn't make the love scenes a bit more mature

Because it's not necessary. I though romances weresuppose to enhance the game and make for a more memorable expirience, seeing boobs for ten seconds doesn't impact anything.

If your going to have a shower scene, I shouldn't expect the woman in the shower to be wearing full panties and bra in it. Just sayin'. 

The scenes were "erotic enough" but rolling around in underwear makes polygons rolling around look even more awkward then it is. You have the scene it's Rated M. Get away with what you can. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 07 septembre 2012 - 03:17 .

[Han Shot First]

giftfish wrote...



On the other hand, ME3 scenes (except Liara's) actually broke immersion for me a bit.  It felt like BW was making a conscious effort to keep the NPC clothes on, and not make things "too" erotic...well, except with Liara.  I'm sure it's a difficult line to walk, but if they did it in ME1, they can do it in ME3.

The bizarre thing is that while characters are clothed in their romance scenes, Bioware hit us with full frontal Banshee.

Even Liara while having a fully modelled nude backside, has her naked bits obscured by lighting.

Not that I'm complaining about those naked bits being obscured mind you, only that the decision to have anatomically correct Banshees is bizarre when contrasted with the romance scenes. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I might accuse Bioware of trolling fans who complained about the ME2 romance scenes lacking nudity.

"Oh, you want nudity? Have a Banshee.
 
Problem?"

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 septembre 2012 - 04:10 .

[draken-heart]

Once again I seem to have to reiterate that as long the romances have a PROPER development, I care not for nudity/underwear/fade to black love scenes.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Go play The Witcher 2.

Don't like that even partial nudity is in the game? Blame ignorant FOX news.

[giftfish]

Han Shot First wrote...

giftfish wrote...



On the other hand, ME3 scenes (except Liara's) actually broke immersion for me a bit.  It felt like BW was making a conscious effort to keep the NPC clothes on, and not make things "too" erotic...well, except with Liara.  I'm sure it's a difficult line to walk, but if they did it in ME1, they can do it in ME3.

The bizarre thing is that while characters are clothed in their romance scenes, Bioware hit us with full frontal Banshee.

Even Liara while having a fully modelled nude backside, has her naked bits obscured by lighting.

Not that I'm complaining about those naked bits being obscured mind you, only that the decision to have anatomically correct Banshees is bizarre when contrasted with the romance scenes. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I might accuse Bioware of trolling fans who complained about the ME2 romance scenes lacking nudity.

"Oh, you want nudity? Have a Banshee.
 
Problem?"

Ugh, I know.  That was about the grossest thing I've seen in a while.

Talk about unnecessary.

They spent dev time making banshee genitalia and Allers, but god forbid they put a bit more time and effort into the romances/scenes....

[Atrumitos]

You guys shouldn't watch Game of Thrones. It's porn.

[Dragon_Claw]

May I recommend Lars von Triers "Anti-christ"...

[Taboo]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

May I recommend Lars von Triers "Anti-christ"...

Seconded.

"YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO HELP ME!"

"GET OUT!"

[knightnblu]

Or at the very least release a fan creation kit so that we can change it ourselves.

[Mimitochan]

knightnblu wrote...

Or at the very least release a fan creation kit so that we can change it ourselves.

Change what?

[ForgottenWarrior]

Why The Witcher never had these problems with nudity?

[Arathyl]

giftfish wrote...

Yeah, I'm with Han Shot First and a few others here.  I think any sex scene and any nudity has to be true to the story and the characters.  It should add to the immersion, not detract from it (underwear in the shower?).  I thought ME1 scenes were very appropriate and tastefully done. 

On the other hand, ME3 scenes (except Liara's) actually broke immersion for me a bit.  It felt like BW was making a conscious effort to keep the NPC clothes on, and not make things "too" erotic...well, except with Liara.  I'm sure it's a difficult line to walk, but if they did it in ME1, they can do it in ME3.

I'm also in agreement on the whole violence thing.  It is a double standard.  Somehow showing the blood, guts, shooting people's brains out, etc is ok.  Yet showing nudity and sex is not ok.  Why the double standard?  I agree that if one is ok -- the other should be, too. If either other them shouldn't be ok, it is violence, not sex -- a natural biological process required by most organisms for reproduction.  What's funny is that BW seems to be one of the few companies out there with this double standard.  It seems to me (and I might be wrong) that there are plenty of games out there with both graphic violence and sex.  BW seems to be much less comfortable depicting sex than they are violence.  Jus tlook at all the blood in DA  for example.

Another thing BioWare could do is give people the option to control both situations a bit more.  Sort of like how they gave people the option to turn down the RP aspect of ME3 (honestly...wtf?  If you want to play a shooter, then go play a freaking shooter, not Mass Effect.  Sorry, I digress....).  Control the level of sexual themes and control the level of blood and gore.  Despite it being a "M/mature" game, different people have different comfort zones with both of these things.  I'd be fine with sex scenes that are a little bit more explicit, but I'd like to see less blood and gore, for example.

:Lastly, Webster's has a good definition of pornography.  There is a difference between something that is "suggestive/risque" and something that is truly pornographic. 

well said.

[gosimmons]

Atrumitos wrote...

You guys shouldn't watch Game of Thrones. It's porn.

Frankly, I thought it was a bit sad that HBO thought that so many exposition scenes couldn't support themselves without someone naked on-screen.

Modifié par gosimmons, 08 septembre 2012 - 07:18 .

[Eyil]

ForgottenWarrior wrote...

Why The Witcher never had these problems with nudity?

Honestly, I'm going to go right out and say that I think The Witcher does have problems with nudity, just not in the sense that they're 'shying away' from it. The scenes just seem to be in there just because. The Witcher's scenes don't add anything to the game: they're just there to be tittilating, to appeal to the horny teenage gamers and to make it appealing by advertising the game as some sort of "HOT SEXY ADULT FANTASY GAME!!" Honestly, it just seems like the sex scenes are the main selling point of the game. I've never heard the story or gameplay being praised, at least.

Bioware doesn't have 'problems' with nudity, nor is it trying to be prudish or whatever. There's minimal nudity in the game because it serves no purpose.

I'm going to quote Stanley Woo here:

"Let me tell you, folks, that as a developer full of mature individuals, we are also free to not have explicit sex and/or nudity in our games, no matter what you, Fox News, the government, or Bunky the Wonder Clown has to say about it [...] We have never considered it a 'problem', it is simply a choice we have made and we have every right to make that choice. [...] People who claim to be old enough and mature enough to handle sex and nudity in a game seem to believe that any lack of sex and nudity in the game is a sign of self-censorship."

Modifié par Eyil, 08 septembre 2012 - 08:58 .

[Biotic_Warlock]

legion 21 wrote...

Mass effect was rated M for a reason, i don't understand why bioware didn't make the love scenes a bit more mature

Mshep/Kaidan romance was saucy enough for me :D:D


I mean personally i wouldn't change a thing about it... if there was an X or R rated version of the scenes i wouldn't download them just to make things interesting... not me... nope... not a chance...

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 08 septembre 2012 - 09:16 .

[gosimmons]

Rubios wrote...
Nudity is simply not taboo in the Song of Ice and Fire universe, HBO is doing it right.
But you know something is wrong in your society when women having boobs is more "shocking" than dead babies 

 I don't mind it if it's handled maturely and used for the right reasons, but there are scenes that are just ham-handed.

In the first book the story of Littlefinger's unrequited love for Catelyn was the only sympathetic characterization he got. In the tv version it's just a monologue reduced to background noise for a filler lesbian sex scene.

Modifié par gosimmons, 08 septembre 2012 - 10:26 .

[CptData]

Eyil wrote...

Bioware doesn't have 'problems' with nudity, nor is it trying to be prudish or whatever. There's minimal nudity in the game because it serves no purpose.

I'm going to quote Stanley Woo here:

"Let me tell you, folks, that as a developer full of mature individuals, we are also free to not have explicit sex and/or nudity in our games, no matter what you, Fox News, the government, or Bunky the Wonder Clown has to say about it [...] We have never considered it a 'problem', it is simply a choice we have made and we have every right to make that choice. [...] People who claim to be old enough and mature enough to handle sex and nudity in a game seem to believe that any lack of sex and nudity in the game is a sign of self-censorship."

Fine, I accept this.
However, I do have some questions:

1st
Let's say I believe that stuff, why's Liara the only one that got a full nude body?
It doesn't serve any other purpose than for other characters you can see in similar scenes.

2nd
Every Reaper creature is naked, but lost its original gender. Banshees are clearly female, sporting breasts and a p*ss* ...
If there's no purpose for nudity in ME3, why do we have naked and clearly female Banshees? Why not removing their special features like it did happen for other Reaper creatures?

3rd
Nudity does serve a purpose as soon as it fits the setting.
Why does Traynor take a shower in underwear?
Why does Ashley wear underwear at the morning after?

Just asking.
With all due respect, but Stanley Woo talks rubbish here. Either BW supports double standards (human female nudes bad, alien female nudes good) or they entire team consists of Liara / Asari fans only.

Modifié par CptData, 09 septembre 2012 - 06:51 .