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[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

Nicsienieda wrote...

We want boooooooooooooooobs.

This. 

[legion 21]

DJCS wrote...

Nicsienieda wrote...

We want boooooooooooooooobs.

This. 

[enayasoul]

Funny they had no problem with showing the succubus running her palm up and down caressing her breast in a Dragon Age game but nothing anything remotely sensual or sexy with the love scenes.

[Eyil]

CptData wrote...

Eyil wrote...

Bioware doesn't have 'problems' with nudity, nor is it trying to be prudish or whatever. There's minimal nudity in the game because it serves no purpose.

I'm going to quote Stanley Woo here:

"Let me tell you, folks, that as a developer full of mature individuals, we are also free to not have explicit sex and/or nudity in our games, no matter what you, Fox News, the government, or Bunky the Wonder Clown has to say about it [...] We have never considered it a 'problem', it is simply a choice we have made and we have every right to make that choice. [...] People who claim to be old enough and mature enough to handle sex and nudity in a game seem to believe that any lack of sex and nudity in the game is a sign of self-censorship."

Fine, I accept this.
However, I do have some questions:

1st
Let's say I believe that stuff, why's Liara the only one that got a full nude body?
It doesn't serve any other purpose than for other characters you can see in similar scenes.

2nd
Every Reaper creature is naked, but lost its original gender. Banshees are clearly female, sporting breasts and a p*ss* ...
If there's no purpose for nudity in ME3, why do we have naked and clearly female Banshees? Why not removing their special features like it did happen for other Reaper creatures?

3rd
Nudity does serve a purpose as soon as it fits the setting.
Why does Traynor take a shower in underwear?
Why does Ashley wear underwear at the morning after?

Just asking.
With all due respect, but Stanley Woo talks rubbish here. Either BW supports double standards (human female nudes bad, alien female nudes good) or they entire team consists of Liara / Asari fans only.

Liara's nudity is probably writer favouritism. Let's face it, she is sold as the canon romance. I can imagine that the banshees are fan disservice mixed with a possibly disgruntled artist plastering genitalia onto the banshee, asari being monogendered blah blah blah (crap reason, but let's try to get into their heads for a possible reason) or maybe just something as simple as making them easy to identify. I mean, as far as we can tell with the expanded universe, female turians have no fringe, but marauders and brutes clearly have them. I don't know, I'm just spitballing here.

I admit, Traynor wearing underwear in the shower is jarring, but her nudity doesn't need to be any more showy than what Liara gets. I guess in my original post I was referring more towards Witcher-style egregious, explicit sex scenes with nipples and whatnot right in the face.

I'm not saying that Bioware/EA are averse to double standards, mind you. I'm quite content to say that they can be massive hypocrites (like claiming that Broshep was heterosexual by choice of the writers in ME1/ME2 but Femshep can swing either way because it's totally cool if it's two chicks and that's hot or something), but I guess I'm just trying to say that it's not being insecure or having a problem if there's no explicit sex.

And I'd not really consider "no explicit sex but explicit violence" a double-standard. They're different things. If there were explicit female nudity but no explicit male nudity (like the Witcher) or the other way around, that's definitely a double-standard, but violence and sex are two very different things. Plus, violence doesn't (usually) lead to people being tittilated or aroused. Also, violence is every bit as natural as sex. Just take a look at any number of nature documentaries.

@Enayasoul - I believe Dragon Age and Mass Effect are made by different teams. It's quite possible (likely, given EA's reputation for kicking video games back five years) that the sexualisation or lack thereof was an internal decision.

Modifié par Eyil, 10 septembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[CptData]

Well, I dunno where you get that, but Liara is not the canon romance. Otherwise, BW could have saved a lot of time and money developing new romances for ME3 and allowing to continue old romances. Well ... technically, ME2-romances are screwed, only Garrus, Tali got a proper final scene each ('though you can't romance them from scratch in ME3) and the romance of the VS can be continued, renewed (in case you moved on in ME2) or started.
Plus: you get Traynor and Cortez as homosexual LIs plus Allers ... well, she's more a fling.

If Liara is the canon romance, why wasting time and money on the rest then? Just asking.

In ME1 and ME2 it looked as if there was no "canon romance". Liara got extra content yes, but her romance wasn't outstanding in both games.
Things changed in ME3, however. And actually, that idea gets its fuel less from the fact Liara got a fully developed romance but more from the issue any other character got NO fully developed romance story arc!

Check again; every other romance spanning more than one game got less developed in ME3 than Liara's, that also includes nudity.

Whatever, BW won't change it anytime soon, despite the majority of the fandom wants a romance DLC than not only improves ME2-romances in ME3 but also fixes issues with romances from ME1 (Ashley, Kaidan), adds a new one (Vega) and extend Cortez & Traynor's story.



Witcher and Witcher 2 are games made for an adult (and only for an adult) audience. That M-rating comes for a reason. If you don't like it, don't play it - or skip the sex. I don't feel offended by the sex in W2, 'though it's no feature I need to buy that game. It's just nice, adds more authenticity, pretty much like "sleeping, eating, drinking and doping" in real RPGs.

I think W2 is one of the very few games avoiding double standards. It features violence, sex, bad language, racism - interestingly, the very same stuff you can found in the Mass Effect trilogy. ME1 pretty much took the same path like Witcher 2 - it featured nudity. It came with less double standards. ME2 started to introduce those double standards and ME3 is at its worst.

Actually, the process to make ME3 open to a broader audience is the cause why this game lost most of it's original ideas. Nudity was just a tiny detail, but it's one you can see. Lack of character development, careless story writing and a strong focus on combat are much bigger issues in ME3.

ME3 comes with a M-rating, but it's a game designed for teenagers.
W2 comes with a M-rating, it's a game designed for adults

[Repear Worshipper]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I don't really care that I didn't get any nudity in my romance; I don't play video games for sex scenes. Fade-to-black is good enough for me.

I mainly play for the fighting

[xbb1024]

A major focus in ME is the story telling, and stuff like Traynor wearing underwear in the shower does take you out of the story. In that situation, nudity is relevant to the plot and should have been included.

As to the sex scenes, I don't think any of them were there just for the player to perv at (Kelly Chambers was questionable, though). They were there in a wider context to show relationship development. In this context, nudity would have been acceptable.

[Fidget6]

The only thing that bothered me was Liara's scene got nudity, while the rest of the LI's did it in their skivvies. This was particularly ridiculous during Samantha's awkward "showering in underwear" scene.... Seriously, if you're going to have a shower scene they need to be naked, otherwise the scene is just silly.....

[o Ventus]

In the context of the sex scene (Not even always a sex scene, rather just a romance scene) and the content therein, nudity can work if it's "necessary" (for lack of a better descriptor).

Case in point: Traynor's shower scene.

[CptData]

o Ventus wrote...

In the context of the sex scene (Not even always a sex scene, rather just a romance scene) and the content therein, nudity can work if it's "necessary" (for lack of a better descriptor).

Case in point: Traynor's shower scene.

Also any post-sex (post-dream) scene with fem!Shep or Ashley. ^^

[draken-heart]

Fidget6 wrote...

The only thing that bothered me was Liara's scene got nudity, while the rest of the LI's did it in their skivvies. This was particularly ridiculous during Samantha's awkward "showering in underwear" scene.... Seriously, if you're going to have a shower scene they need to be naked, otherwise the scene is just silly.....

do you think that the underwear is not just for censorship?

Modifié par draken-heart, 16 septembre 2012 - 06:34 .

[BP93]

CptData wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

In the context of the sex scene (Not even always a sex scene, rather just a romance scene) and the content therein, nudity can work if it's "necessary" (for lack of a better descriptor).

Case in point: Traynor's shower scene.

Also any post-sex (post-dream) scene with fem!Shep or Ashley. ^^

Eh, girls don't take off their tops everytime during sex. (quickies) (which are awesome) 

But every indication suggests that everyone took their uhh.. time in this game so... =/=

[Hrothdane]

Certain situations call for a character to be nude.

The writer can either:

1. Embrace it full-on.
2. Cover up naughty bits with clever positioning and camera angles. Not especially hard considering every shampoo and shower soap commercial can do it.
3. Come up with a new situation.

As much as I love hot lesbians in the shower, I think that BioWare should have just cut the scene rather than have Traynor wear her underwear into the shower. It breaks immersion, which is especially important in a role-playing game.

[Mimitochan]

BP93 wrote...

CptData wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

In the context of the sex scene (Not even always a sex scene, rather just a romance scene) and the content therein, nudity can work if it's "necessary" (for lack of a better descriptor).

Case in point: Traynor's shower scene.

Also any post-sex (post-dream) scene with fem!Shep or Ashley. ^^

Eh, girls don't take off their tops everytime during sex. (quickies) (which are awesome) 

But every indication suggests that everyone took their uhh.. time in this game so... =/=

If we're going to get technical, let me just add that that black lingerie female characters got really doesn't help.
Whoever designed that ugly texture is responsible for ruining my Shepard's sexual life

[BP93]

Hey, I'm a fan of any lingerie. As long as it eventually comes off.

[Mimitochan]

BP93 wrote...

Hey, I'm a fan of any lingerie. As long as it eventually comes off.

See? We all agree on this
Everytime I see my Shepard waking up in that bed with her bra on, I just feel the urge to scratch my back.

[BP93]

Mimitochan wrote...

BP93 wrote...

Hey, I'm a fan of any lingerie. As long as it eventually comes off.

See? We all agree on this
Everytime I see my Shepard waking up in that bed with her bra on, I just feel the urge to scratch my back.

Maybe your Shep's partner just couldn't get it off so they said screw it. One of those bras that rival a damn rubix cube in terms of complexity. 

Nothing sucks more than that. Guaranteed mood killer. 

[Mimitochan]

BP93 wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...

BP93 wrote...

Hey, I'm a fan of any lingerie. As long as it eventually comes off.

See? We all agree on this
Everytime I see my Shepard waking up in that bed with her bra on, I just feel the urge to scratch my back.

Maybe your Shep's partner just couldn't get it off so they said screw it. One of those bras that rival a damn rubix cube in terms of complexity. 

Nothing sucks more than that. Guaranteed mood killer. 

I hear you ... Wait... you mean nothing actually happened there after that fade to black pre-Cerberus HQ?! Interesting headcanon!

Honestly, I can't see (my) Shepard wearing lace underwear.
Something like that, probably? (I mean the bra.)


http://nhaneh.tumblr.com/

On a side note, the same thing goes for the male partner (also mShep). I mean poor guy wakes up in bed with his underwear on. How uncomfortable.

Which is very interesting, because ME1 lovers were totally naked. If you Flycammed them (yes, I KNOW you did that too), or if you extracted textures, they had no underwear whatsoever. FemShep looks like a naked Barbie doll. Kaidan... looks like a naked Barbie doll too

So the waking up part from ME1 is Shepard fully dressed and LI naked >>>

http://nhaneh.tumblr.com/

While in ME3, they're both in their underwear.
(sorry no source)

To me, it's obvious that the ME1 scene was way better, and nudity actually has something to do with it.

I know I would have been happier seeing Shepard waking up like this >>>


http://nhaneh.tumblr.com/

i.e. out of her bed in an appropriate outfit, than in her bed with her underwear.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 16 septembre 2012 - 10:43 .

[CptData]

BP93 wrote...

CptData wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

In the context of the sex scene (Not even always a sex scene, rather just a romance scene) and the content therein, nudity can work if it's "necessary" (for lack of a better descriptor).

Case in point: Traynor's shower scene.

Also any post-sex (post-dream) scene with fem!Shep or Ashley. ^^

Eh, girls don't take off their tops everytime during sex. (quickies) (which are awesome) 

But every indication suggests that everyone took their uhh.. time in this game so... =/=

Exactly. It was no "quickie" 

[ottifant64]

BP93 wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I do agree that the other characters should have gotten something on Liara's level, but I wouldn't want to go beyond that. Liara's scene was tastefully done, and I'd take it over The Witcher 2 style sex scenes any day.

If anything, Liara's scene went above and beyond anything that needed to be done. Compared to all the other characters, she gets a full p0rn scene.

You're trolling, right?

[Chardonney]

ottifant64 wrote...

BP93 wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I do agree that the other characters should have gotten something on Liara's level, but I wouldn't want to go beyond that. Liara's scene was tastefully done, and I'd take it over The Witcher 2 style sex scenes any day.

If anything, Liara's scene went above and beyond anything that needed to be done. Compared to all the other characters, she gets a full p0rn scene.

You're trolling, right?

I tend to agree - not with it being porn part - but about Liara's scene being the most detailed one when it comes to lovemaking. Several bodyshots, bare boobs shown little here and there, no underwear... Come on, BW, Liara gets to bed Shepard naked but everyone else has to do it in their undies??? Talk about fairness. 


I guess BW is full of Liara fans.<_<

[KENNY4753]

Imagine what they would do with an Aria sex scene

[LanceSolous13]

Ok, I think that Bioware sort of censor'd themselves in ME3.

I almost never heard a curse word, and SOB was used often enough that I really began to think they were really trying to avoid saying "son of a ****".

And, honestly, What the hell is with the Shower Scene? Showering in your underwear? Really Samantha? Honestly, I'm not asking for us to get full frontal nudity, but some sexy discrssion shots of things being covered with arms or clever camera angles would be apprecieated.

And, on Garrus, I'm not asking for a naked Turan but Fem!Shepard wakes up in her underwear while Garrus is sitting not five feet away in his rather complex looking clothing; fully dressed? Wat?

I will say, that I felt Liara's Sex Scene leaned a bit too far into the porno region. I mean, thrusting? "O-face"? Really?

In the previous Mass Effect Games, things were kept rather tasteful...

[Chardonney]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

And, on Garrus, I'm not asking for a naked Turan but Fem!Shepard wakes up in her underwear while Garrus is sitting not five feet away in his rather complex looking clothing; fully dressed? Wat?

FemShep and Garrus are my favorite couple and that scene is what really angered me the most. Heck, it made me see red, literally. Their romance was so well constructed, untill that point of utter failure. I also wasn't expecting a naked Turian - would've been too much really - but why couldn't they use the bedcover like in Kaidan romance???  I don't think it would have been too hard to create a barechested turian. Like here: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Turian  The bedcover would have hidden the rest quite efficiently.


The whole scene speaks volumes about something and not in a good way.