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[Tirigon]

Deleted, because I´m not in the mood to argue about it.

Modifié par Tirigon, 25 décembre 2009 - 10:57 .

[Nosuchluck]

No offense intended Tirigon but no, just no. Darkspawn kill everything, absoloutly everything. Don't pull the standard "OMG LOOK AT HITLER" bollocks. Hitler is a sweet little baby compared to darkspawn. They aren't trying to exterminate a group, or a religion but EVERYTHING which isn't them. Darkspawn themselves are just stupid monsters without morales born for the sole purpose of killing kittens and puppies.

Seriously, if you're trying to say the entire anhilation of every single living and free-thinking creature on the planet is something humans would do then you're nuts.

Modifié par Nosuchluck, 25 décembre 2009 - 10:51 .

[The Angry One]

The Archdemon isn't dangerous because it's a big dragon, it's dangerous because it's soul can control the entire Darkspawn horde and direct them to take and hold large areas of the surface.

Thus killing an Archdemon without a Warden accomplishes exactly nothing, you still have an Archdemon soul compelling the horde to march on you, the time it'd take for it's new host to become a dragon/powerful being/whatever in it's own right is irrelevant.

[Tirigon]

Nosuchluck wrote...

No offense intended Tirigon but no, just no. Darkspawn kill everything, absoloutly everything. Don't pull the standard "OMG LOOK AT HITLER" bollocks. Hitler is a sweet little baby compared to darkspawn. They aren't trying to exterminate a group, or a religion but EVERYTHING which isn't them. Darkspawn themselves are just stupid monsters without morales born for the sole purpose of killing kittens and puppies.

Seriously, if you're trying to say the entire anhilation of every single living and free-thinking creature on the planet is something humans would do then you're nuts.

Who says they kill everything? Sure, it´s told all the time, but you are playing on the side of the wardens, and all your information comes from them. It´s no objective information. And we all know what sh!t is said in Propaganda. Just search the internet and you will find plenty of "evidence" that the world is ruled by Illuminati, that Hitler lives hidden somewhere and will rule the universe, that Obama works for the KGB and milliards of other stuff like that which noone in his right mind will believe.

[robertthebard]

Tirigon wrote...

Nosuchluck wrote...

No offense intended Tirigon but no, just no. Darkspawn kill everything, absoloutly everything. Don't pull the standard "OMG LOOK AT HITLER" bollocks. Hitler is a sweet little baby compared to darkspawn. They aren't trying to exterminate a group, or a religion but EVERYTHING which isn't them. Darkspawn themselves are just stupid monsters without morales born for the sole purpose of killing kittens and puppies.

Seriously, if you're trying to say the entire anhilation of every single living and free-thinking creature on the planet is something humans would do then you're nuts.

Who says they kill everything? Sure, it´s told all the time, but you are playing on the side of the wardens, and all your information comes from them. It´s no objective information. And we all know what sh!t is said in Propaganda. Just search the internet and you will find plenty of "evidence" that the world is ruled by Illuminati, that Hitler lives hidden somewhere and will rule the universe, that Obama works for the KGB and milliards of other stuff like that which noone in his right mind will believe.

So how many people were left in Ostagar after the battle?  Lothering?  Where the horde has passed, everything is dead.  According to lore, the very plants and ground become tainted and unable to support life.  This isn't Grey Warden propaganda, this is stuff from codex entries in game, and from conversations and even a loading screen, I believe.  This is why it's called a Blight, instead of an occupation.  Take a look at what's left of Denerim when you get there.  Did you notice any bands of survivors anywhere that you got to after the Darkspawn did?  The only place you find any survivors at all is the Alienage, and that's because you get there right before the darkspawn did.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Nosuchluck wrote...

No offense intended Tirigon but no, just no. Darkspawn kill everything, absoloutly everything. Don't pull the standard "OMG LOOK AT HITLER" bollocks. Hitler is a sweet little baby compared to darkspawn. They aren't trying to exterminate a group, or a religion but EVERYTHING which isn't them. Darkspawn themselves are just stupid monsters without morales born for the sole purpose of killing kittens and puppies.

Seriously, if you're trying to say the entire anhilation of every single living and free-thinking creature on the planet is something humans would do then you're nuts.

Keep in mind that we know next to nothing about what the Archdemons or the darkspawn "group mind" think and what motivates them. All we know is that they kill. We don't know why. Although not as interesting as the Reapers, they are somewhat similar. They might appear to us now that they are nothing but savages, but we have to remember that we know almost nothing about them.

They might be what they seem. They might be something more. We don't know yet.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 décembre 2009 - 11:08 .

[robertthebard]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Nosuchluck wrote...

No offense intended Tirigon but no, just no. Darkspawn kill everything, absoloutly everything. Don't pull the standard "OMG LOOK AT HITLER" bollocks. Hitler is a sweet little baby compared to darkspawn. They aren't trying to exterminate a group, or a religion but EVERYTHING which isn't them. Darkspawn themselves are just stupid monsters without morales born for the sole purpose of killing kittens and puppies.

Seriously, if you're trying to say the entire anhilation of every single living and free-thinking creature on the planet is something humans would do then you're nuts.

Keep in mind that we know next to nothing about what the Archdemons or the darkspawn "group mind" think and what motivates them. All we know is that they kill. We don't know why. Although not as interesting as the Reapers, they are somewhat similar. They might appear to us now that they are nothing but savages, but we have to remember that we know almost nothing about them.

They might be what they seem. They might be something more. We don't know yet.

This is not the first Blight that Thedas has seen, and it's either in one of the trailers at youtube, or one of the intro movies that they discuss that humanity was all but annihilated before the Grey Wardens came around.  It's pretty safe to say that they have one desire, wipe out everything that isn't them.

[KnightofPhoenix]

robertthebard wrote...
This is not the first Blight that Thedas has seen, and it's either in one of the trailers at youtube, or one of the intro movies that they discuss that humanity was all but annihilated before the Grey Wardens came around.  It's pretty safe to say that they have one desire, wipe out everything that isn't them.

Or maybe they want something else. We don't know yet.
It doesn't matter how many blights there were. The Grey Wardens never claimed to know what motivates the Archdemons. All they know is that they have to stop them.

Perhaps their ultimate desire can only be reached by killing everyone else. We don't know. Just like we don't know why the Reapers do what they do. We are in total ignorance vis a vis the darkspawn.

[Tirigon]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Keep in mind that we know next to nothing about what the Archdemons or the darkspawn "group mind" think and what motivates them. All we know is that they kill. We don't know why. Although not as interesting as the Reapers, they are somewhat similar. They might appear to us now that they are nothing but savages, but we have to remember that we know almost nothing about them.

They might be what they seem. They might be something more. We don't know yet.

That´s what I mean. I remember Eragon. There are some orc-like creatures who are supposed to do nothing but kill everything else, and someone says about them: "We are doing them wrong. They aren´t worse than we are. We know nothing but they´re warriors. To them, WE are a savage people that does nothing but kill them whenever possible either." Same here with the darkspawn.


@Robert: Yeah, I know they destroyed all of Denerim. But then, humans did the same in their wars.

• The romans destroyed Carthago entirely.
• They destroyed Jerusalem.
• Same with thousands of other places.
• In the crusades, plenty of muslim women and children were massacred.
• The Spains or Portuguese wiped the aztecs out.
• Many Indian tribes were wiped out.
• Killing everyone was an often-used strategy of suppression in the colonial age.

And this is just a short list of things that came to my mind right now. With proper research, you could find thousands, if not more, examples for other genocides.

[Realmzmaster]

The Darkspawn are much like the Borg (To give an analogy). The darkspawn want everyone to be like them. Anyone who does not want to be like them is a threat to be eliminated.

But the darkspawn themselves do not see the Big picture, they need an ArchDemon to provide that overall far reaching strategy to bring them together to act as one group mind pointed at one goal.

The darkspwan themseleves are soulless not mindless.

The game states anyone can kill the archdemon, but only a Grey Warden can kill its soul. The soul will just hop to the nearest living darkspawn and reshape it. The reshaping would not take long, because the soul retains all of its power.

We do not know the actual shape of the archdemon. It could simply shapeshift into dragon form.

[Xandurpein]

Tirigon wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Keep in mind that we know next to nothing about what the Archdemons or the darkspawn "group mind" think and what motivates them. All we know is that they kill. We don't know why. Although not as interesting as the Reapers, they are somewhat similar. They might appear to us now that they are nothing but savages, but we have to remember that we know almost nothing about them.

They might be what they seem. They might be something more. We don't know yet.

That´s what I mean. I remember Eragon. There are some orc-like creatures who are supposed to do nothing but kill everything else, and someone says about them: "We are doing them wrong. They aren´t worse than we are. We know nothing but they´re warriors. To them, WE are a savage people that does nothing but kill them whenever possible either." Same here with the darkspawn.


@Robert: Yeah, I know they destroyed all of Denerim. But then, humans did the same in their wars.

• The romans destroyed Carthago entirely.
  
• They destroyed Jerusalem.
  
  
• Same with thousands of other places.
  
  
• In the crusades, plenty of muslim women and children were massacred.
  
  
• The Spains or Portuguese wiped the aztecs out.
  
  
• Many Indian tribes were wiped out.
  Killing everyone was an often-used strategy of suppression in the colonial age.

And this is just a short list of things that came to my mind right now. With proper research, you could find thousands, if not more, examples for other genocides.

Arguing that the Blight is just victims of bad propaganda is not really the right way to go if you want to be taken serious here I think. The MC can see for himself what happens. Broodmother was real. The darkspawn breeds by torturing and destroying females, turning them into slavering mad monsters who hatches them. Demons are real and communicate their wishes directly to the MC. They are NOT some misunderstood foreign nation with quaint customs. Sorry, but I'm not going to take you seriously if you argue that point.

While history has it's fair share of atrocities, it's really not on the same level as the Blight. And your mentioned instances of alleged historical genocide really wasn't very impressive. Karthago was destroyed as a political entity and the citizens were sold into slavery. Ugly and brutal as it may be, enslavement is not the same as genocide. Jerusalem was the culmination of a Roman war against the jews, and while it was very, very brutal, it certainly was no genocide.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 26 décembre 2009 - 12:05 .

[specter7237]

Xandurpein wrote...
Here I have to disagree with you most empathically. I for one don't think extermination of every living being, except for females being turned into broodmothers comes anywhere near having to endure an average paranoid dictator. not to mention the fact that even if you think Loghain is horrible, at least your children have hpes of a better future, while if the Archdemon wins your children will be Darkspawn.

Are you trying to argue that the people of who endured dictatorships like those of Stalin and Hitler should might just as well all died all of them, with no regard for future genereations? However horrible a dictatorship might have been, the will to live, and most profoundly in the way it is manifested in the will to let your children live, is stronger than the wish for annihilation almost for everyone. I really hope your remark was an ill thought thing to be a bit provocative, as I can't belive you had thought that through really.

I would gladly live under Archdemon's rule as opposed to Logain's.  Sign me up for Darkspawn horde!
Maybe he'll even let me have a go with broodmother. 

[apantoliani]

DA:2 might not even have anything to do with the Grey Wardens or Ferelden. I assume it refers to the age itself, 9:00-9:99. Kind of like Dragon Age: Origins was about origin stories in the Dragon Age, but focused on a particular (and interesting of course) time in Ferelden. Could be a holy war in Tevinter, Qunari invasion, uprising in some of the countries that Orlais is still up in their business.



Possibilities. Thing broader, people.

[PatT2]

apantoliani wrote...

DA:2 might not even have anything to do with the Grey Wardens or Ferelden. I assume it refers to the age itself, 9:00-9:99. Kind of like Dragon Age: Origins was about origin stories in the Dragon Age, but focused on a particular (and interesting of course) time in Ferelden. Could be a holy war in Tevinter, Qunari invasion, uprising in some of the countries that Orlais is still up in their business.

Possibilities. Thing broader, people.

Yeah, but the name of the thread is "what if Loghain", not "what will DA:2 be". So your point is a bit off topic.

Loghain was paranoid delusional. The only threat he could see was the Orlesians. He couldn't see the threat of the darkspawn as a real threat. He did not understand and DID NOT WANT to understand (just the way so many fanatics are today, unfortunately).

I can't tell you how frustrating it is to find people who's views are a mirror of whatever bull they're told from whatever pulpit or lecturn...and they just absolutely shut their ears to any other sound. They won't even entertain an idea that doesn't have its origin in whatever notion it is they worship. which is just as insane. They are stuck in the mud. And they are useless as a result. What a waste of an otherwise great general, whose talents could not be effective because he couldn't even see what the real threat was, much less make a plan against it.

It's like climing a ladder. If you climb faster, or get a longer ladder, but it's still on the wrong wall, so what? And if, what's worse, you refuse to acknowledge it's on the wrong wall....but you want credit for being the best ladder climber in the world? What good is that if the ladder goes straight to oblivion?

Which is what Loghain's problem was. He totally lost objectivity (if he ever had it). He couldn't tell friend from foe. He was mad with power and locked up his daughter, who rightly said they should be fighting the blight (but he even told her it wasn't really a blight).

There's only one use for him. Dead at the end of my blade, or dead atop the arch demon. Either way, dead. His mind is blown and he's useless alive. Anora is not. She sees the real threat and wants the country united against it. Whether she's a good queen or not, doesn't matter. At least she hasn't lost her mind.

Loghain cannot win. He's insane.

[Alastrian]

PatT2 wrote...

Loghain was paranoid delusional. The only threat he could see was the Orlesians. He couldn't see the threat of the darkspawn as a real threat. He did not understand and DID NOT WANT to understand (just the way so many fanatics are today, unfortunately).

Indeed... its baffling to me that even on here... even after everyone here has played the whole game and knows that the Blight is a far greater threat than a neighbouring kingdom... even after everyone here knows that it takes a Grey Warden to slay an archdemon, people will still defend Loghain's actions, employing appeals to emotion and even appeals to ignorance to justify what he did.

I can't tell you how frustrating it is to find people who's views are a mirror of whatever bull they're told from whatever pulpit or lecturn...and they just absolutely shut their ears to any other sound. They won't even entertain an idea that doesn't have its origin in whatever notion it is they worship. which is just as insane. They are stuck in the mud. And they are useless as a result. What a waste of an otherwise great general, whose talents could not be effective because he couldn't even see what the real threat was, much less make a plan against it.

Pretty much why I showed no mercy to anyone who attacks me because they believe Loghain's bullcrap. Of course, its mostly just the soldiers at the Lothering tavern, Ser Landry and the idiot ambassador at Orzammar (how he became an ambassador with his rude and abrasive manner... who knows?).

There's only one use for him. Dead at the end of my blade, or dead atop the arch demon. Either way, dead. His mind is blown and he's useless alive. Anora is not. She sees the real threat and wants the country united against it. Whether she's a good queen or not, doesn't matter. At least she hasn't lost her mind.

Him and just about everyone who blindly believed his nonsensical blathering about the Orlesian 'threat'.

And yes... based on the time Cailin was king, we pretty much know Anora is a good queen , though after the epilogue, we find out that she's not such a good queen to the denizens of the Alienage.

Loghain cannot win. He's insane.

QFT

But isn't it amazing just how suddenly he calms down when you hand his butt to him in a duel. Ah well... too little too late.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Spectre24 wrote...

I really enjoy reading the points everyone has been making in regards to the Blight itself, to other nation's reactions, to the Grey Wardens, and the Chantry. Personally, I haven't finished an ending where Loghain wasn't strew across the floor at the Landsmeet. He was so enthralled with the idea of Orlais attacking, he could not see the danger of the Blight on Ferelden's doorstep, nor was he privy to any of the other races problems, including the Circle and Redcliffe, which could've caused all sorts of disasters beyond the Blight.

I was arguing with one of my friends about this topic, which is why I posted to see everyone elses thoughts on the idea. My friend believes that Loghain could've truly united Ferelden against the Blight, and even after discovering the Grey Wardens were needed to ultimately destroy the Archdemon, somehow enlisted the help of them (most like the ones at the border of Orlais).

I will say that had even even made it as far as te Archdemon, I think he would've truly realized the error in his judgment on the wardens, but exactly what could've come from it...most likely nothing but a regretfull death.

There is a fact that your friend does not take into account.  Without the Grey Wardens, no one knew where the Blight was headed.  Despite his strategic and leadership skills, there simply isn't any way that Loghain could know where the Blight was about to strike.  Even if the Grey Wardens were not needed to kill the Archdemon, there'd still be no way to really know where the horde is moving.  The advantage of the Archdemon's mental commands is simply too great.

Modifié par The Capital Gaultier, 26 décembre 2009 - 05:37 .

[Relshar]

Ferledan would of fallen Loghains fear of outsiders would mean he would never look to Orlais or the Grey Wardens to help with the Blight. And after all Loghain himself said it was not a true Blight, he only admits this when he becomes a Grey Warden himself I think. But in a what if this would never happen.



The blight would overun Ferledan as Loghain tries to unite the nobles and in the end it would be to little to late. Ferledan would fall to the Blight.



All the other nations would see this and maybe unite out of fear and the Grey Wardens then would lead the rest of Thedas into battle. The Qun seeing an enemy fight the Blight will wait till after the battles with the Darkspawn then attack the weakend states and take control.

[Grommash94]

I don't think that this blight would really pose too large of a threat for all the other nations. Seeing as how Orlais itself has many, many Wardens, and boast a powerful army of chevaliers....they would probably be able to win.



I mean, if Loghain DID NOT pull out at Ostagar, then it is pretty safe to assume that the would have won the field.



But, Ferelden would be doomed if the PC did not survive. Demons and darkspawn would ravage the lands...I suppose they would fight each other for dominance.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

A Blight pretty much does to a nation what full scale nuclear warfare would do: wipes out life and sterilizes the lands. Anyone not lucky enough to die quickly becomes a horrible, slobbering mutation: either a ghoul or broodmother. Historical accounts of previous Blights show that it takes generations for Blight stricken areas to ever return to a state capable of supporting even scant life. This is all in historical records, something Loghain would have access to, and there is no evidence that contradicts this.



So Loghain may or may not believe this to be an actual Blight. The king isn't even certain it is, only the Grey Wardens know for certain. So, Loghain, being paranoid about Orleasians and Wardens, has only the word of the Wardens that the Blight is real. Ok, so he sees no reason to trust them. Fine. What he does have are alot of clues and evidence that this could very well be a Blight. The biggest being the numbers of Darkspawn. It is extremely rare for large numbers of darkspawn roaming the surface in orga****ed armies without an archdemon behind them. Doesn't matter if an archdemon has been spotted or not. It's not like the pop up and announce the Blight is coming. basing his actions on the simple lack of any reports of the Archdemon and chalking it off to an unusually large raid is a very large, foolish gamble. Better safe than sorry.



And we also have historical evidence that Grey Wardens are indeed the most important, necessary faction in ending Blights. There have been four Blights so far, and in everyone of them, it was the Wardens who defeated it, and a Warden always kills the Archdemon. That's pretty consistant, so obviously, there must be something to the Grey Warden legend, even if no one knows the real reasons behind this. Everyone seems to agree that no one in Thedas knows more about darkspawn than the Wardens do. Several people you talk to in game, both grunting peasant and educated nobles or mages, state that the Wardens know more about how to defeat and deal with darkspawn, which, barring knowledge of the taint and Joining, might suggest to a lay person that they have hoards of knowledge, have developed and perfected special methods, and are pretty much experts bar none in the subject. Even if it was just an unusually large raid, the Wardens are an asset that can't be tossed aside, unless you don't care about a slow, drawn out war and heavy costs on your own side. Loghain's own mistrust and paranoia clouded his judgement, and he threw away an asset that would have proven vital, Blight or no, to halt the advance of such a large force of darkspawn.



Loghain's victory would mean epic fail for basically the whole of Ferelden. He refused to consider or concede that there was anyway but his way, and he would have ended up with a country that was hit with the equivilant of armageddon style full scale nuke attacks.



The rest of Thedas would have, at the very least, adopted a containment policy regarding their own countries, but more than likely would have. Total and complete annihilation has a way of banding old enemies together for the sake of survival. Just look at the Allies in WW II.

[Tirigon]

Xandurpein wrote...

Arguing that the Blight is just victims of bad propaganda is not really the right way to go if you want to be taken serious here I think. The MC can see for himself what happens. Broodmother was real. The darkspawn breeds by torturing and destroying females, turning them into slavering mad monsters who hatches them. Demons are real and communicate their wishes directly to the MC. They are NOT some misunderstood foreign nation with quaint customs. Sorry, but I'm not going to take you seriously if you argue that point.

And I´m not going to take YOU serious if you come up with demons. Some of them seem actually quite decent, and not nearly as bad as they are portrayed....

While history has it's fair share of atrocities, it's really not on the same level as the Blight. And your mentioned instances of alleged historical genocide really wasn't very impressive. Karthago was destroyed as a political entity and the citizens were sold into slavery. Ugly and brutal as it may be, enslavement is not the same as genocide. Jerusalem was the culmination of a Roman war against the jews, and while it was very, very brutal, it certainly was no genocide.

"wasnt really impressive" Aha.
So destroying an entire city (and the people were killed, not only enslaved, what is bad enough anyways) is not bad... You got a funny point of view, my friend. To me, destroying an entire city in a war between romans and carthagians / jews is no better than destroying a city in a war between Ferelden and the darkspawn. Worse actually, since real people died, not only things in a PC-game.

[robertthebard]

It is, however, completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is about a video game. The Blight is not an occupation army. They will kill and mutate any that they come in contact with. I notice that you ignored my references to Ostagar and Lothering earlier, choosing only to say they had destroyed Denerim. How many darkspawn did you have dialogs with throughout the game? How many of them gave you an option to surrender? I never had any of them talk to me. They seemed pretty intent on killing me every time I ran into them. In a couple of sidequests, they seem pretty intent on wiping out civilians that they did run into as well. So it's not just becuase I was a Warden, it's because that's what they do.

[Tirigon]

robertthebard wrote...

It is, however, completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is about a video game. The Blight is not an occupation army. They will kill and mutate any that they come in contact with. I notice that you ignored my references to Ostagar and Lothering earlier, choosing only to say they had destroyed Denerim. How many darkspawn did you have dialogs with throughout the game? How many of them gave you an option to surrender? I never had any of them talk to me. They seemed pretty intent on killing me every time I ran into them. In a couple of sidequests, they seem pretty intent on wiping out civilians that they did run into as well. So it's not just becuase I was a Warden, it's because that's what they do.

It becomes circular. I know what you write. But look at it like that: How many darkspawns did you choose to capture instead of killing them? How often did you try to talk to them? Right. Never.
What I´m trying to say is that you are -objectively-  not better than them. It depends on your point of view.
And yea, Ostagar and Lothering.... Ok, I admit that destroying Lothering was militarily unnecessary, but destroying helpless villages is something that is unfortunately done in every war. And in one of the origins (I think it´s human, but I´m not sure) you are even told that the WARDENS!!!, that is the good guys, would recklessly destroy an entire village if they think it helps to stop the blight. So how are they better than the darkspawn?
And Ostagar was a battle fought with the intention of wiping out one side entirely. Had the Fereldans won, they would not have spared any darkspawn either. So the darkspawn were not more evil but merely more successful than the Fereldans IMO.

[robertthebard]

Evidently you are not grasping a concept here. The darkspawn did not offer up dialog. Nor will any of them surrender, not even the Generals in Denerim will surrender. I have spared a lot of NPC's that offer to surrender, Leliana's ambush plot line, for example. I have sent the bandits at Lothering scattering to the hills more than a few times. The point being, they will offer up dialog to surrender. The darkspawn will not. They don't care about gaining slaves. Survivors will either be eaten, or turned into broodmothers, depending on gender. They are not interested in anything but destruction of any that aren't like them. Even demons.



The Archdemon is unfortunately named, since we know that they are alien to eachother, darkspawn and demons. However, the Archdemon will not offer to surrender and go away. Even if it did, it would just go fight with the dwarves. Remember, the surface only deals with the darkspawn in these measures during a Blight, but the dwarves face this every single day. This is how they became reduced to a community that spanned the whole of the continent that Ferelden is on, and beyond, to two known major cities. This was done by the darkspawn, without a Blight or an Archdemon. Don't you think if they could be negotiated with that they would have negotiated? They aren't interested in your money, only your life. If you happen to be female, they may well turn you into a broodmother. Have a run through where Branka's girl friend is if you want to hear how that works.

[Tirigon]

Well, I suppose that´s true... Though it´s really sad to have such a one-sided view of good and evil in a game. (This was one of the bad things in LotR Imo, too.) We should have at least the option to capture and question one of them, so one might learn more about them......

Still, there is something lacking: a reason why they want to kill you... I mean, it is really stupid. Even if they are as bad and stupid as you say, its simply idiotic to kill everyone, because they will starve without food, and will be unable to create more broodmothers, so won´t grow in numbers anymore.... Wiping out humanity, the dwarfes and the elves would mean destroying what allows them to live......