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[Errationatus]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

I think that's basically what most of us are advocating? (with the stipulation that even though it's alien you still have an obligation to be nice to it).

 

I agree that being alien should not preclude you from due consideration.

 
Although since it's you, I'm going to have to ask that you specify what you mean by 'verifiable.'

Evolved without interference.

[Errationatus]

AlanC9 wrote...

Looks like Voyager pretty much said yes to that. See episodes Author, Author and Endgame. Which imply that the Federation is kidding itself about AI's potential for life, and has been for quite some time

However, the potential for life is not itself life. If a ship doesn't have a program that's considered life, it isn't alive. And I'm not sure we can call the whole computer alive just because one of its component programs is.

Though really, I'm not sure this all proves anything except that the definition of "life" in the Trek universe is just as crappy as the one we're using.

 

Pretty much.

 
Larry Niven's used the term "Legal Entity." Anything's a person if the legal system says it is.

Indeed.  But legal rulings don't - as far as I've been able to determine - warp reality.

[Caephire]

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Am I alive?

Is this real life? Is this just fantasy?

Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the fandango?

THUNDERBOLT AND LIGHTNING, VERY VERY FRIGHTENING ME.


On topic, I do consider her alive.
She has emotions, she has a conscience, and she has attachments.
Therefore, alive.

GALILEO, GALILEO, GALILEO, GALILEO, GALILEO, FIGARO!!

 Yes I also consider her to be alive.

[Endorlf]

Kastrenzo wrote...

I APPRECIATE THAT LEGION, BUT THE GETH ARE NOT ALIVE, THEY ARE MACHINES, MACHINES THAT GOT HACKED. AND NEED TO BE DESTROYED,

Pretty much the same argument applies to EDI IMO, Not alive, just a smart machine that imitates life.
Didn't want to kill the Geth or EDI, But if it meant sending the reapers to hell, boom.

What if that sacrificial species is the Quarians, or the Turians, or even humans? I can understand if you are willing to accept the cost of victory, but with your current wording, it appears that you are implying that the Geth are inherently less valuable than organic life. Sorry if I'm misinterpreting.

Modifié par Endorlf, 12 septembre 2012 - 09:10 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

Virginian wrote...

Harorrd wrote...

she is a intelligent tool, and she died

She was murdered.

TheJediSaint wrote...

EDI was a person, or at least developed into a person by the end of the game. I was sorry that she, along with the Geth, had to be sacrificed in order to rid the universe of the Reapers.

Murdered.

Terrible as it may, it was the cost of victory. The worst mistake would be to trivialize the death of all synthetics, as that could mean that we'll just repeat the same mistakes in the future. The Destroy ending kinda gave off this vibe. <_<

[davepissedatending]

A tool she's not alive

[BlueSandBristow]

EDI is a computer bound by code. I don't know if she is alive but she can imitate it. She is design to be a tool.