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[MANINTHECREEK]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Yes, she and the Geth are alive and living. Even before they have their upgrades, they can think and make opinions based on their nature. EDI states she feels alive.

As are the Reapers. And as living, intelligent beings, what they do to the galaxy is atrocious and horrid. They must be annihilated for the sake of life everywhere.

EDI states this. She is repulsed by them. And they threaten that which she loves, and she is capable of love. Even if it meant her death, she would not let the Reapers live. If she were with Shepard at RGB, she'd wrench the gun from his hands and shoot the pipe herself.

Amen to that! Also, I wonder why they didnt try to work that into the ending somehow... that would have been pretty cool since her life/death seemed a pretty high determining factor into whether you chose RGB.  You'd think in all her vast wizdom and technology, she could have mimicked Reaper tech, allowing her to sneak onto the Citidel, ninja kick Starchild and blast the core with a Blackstar in each hand!

[Wayning_Star]

D24O wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Well, the two run together,as we comprehend 'intellect' and it's ability to fathom 'self' is all I'm say'n. Sure she's OK in my book as well, as is. But the OP query strikes deep into the theories of 'what is life' and how we quantify it as in a reflection of Edi as a 'person' worthy of more than just 'stuff' that does other 'stuff'. A mechanical humanoid? A humanisic machine. A potato peeler with a highest IQ?  So I'm rambling on about it..lol

I understand what you're saying, I just think that we can't apply a human paradigm of thought to AI's. I don't think they have to conform to our ways of thinking to co-exist or for us to understand each other. They can be just as valid a form of life being alien as they can imitaiting humans IMO. Although you are right, this is all hypothetical, and maybe there is no real answer, at least not now. But its all in good fun.

Can we immitate life tho? Thats the question, then to say, we qualify it as that limits their potential. A value judgment?

I think the nerd term is emmulate, thats what machines do when immitating life as we know of it.

[Wayning_Star]

MANINTHECREEK wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Yes, she and the Geth are alive and living. Even before they have their upgrades, they can think and make opinions based on their nature. EDI states she feels alive.

As are the Reapers. And as living, intelligent beings, what they do to the galaxy is atrocious and horrid. They must be annihilated for the sake of life everywhere.

EDI states this. She is repulsed by them. And they threaten that which she loves, and she is capable of love. Even if it meant her death, she would not let the Reapers live. If she were with Shepard at RGB, she'd wrench the gun from his hands and shoot the pipe herself.

Amen to that! Also, I wonder why they didnt try to work that into the ending somehow... that would have been pretty cool since her life/death seemed a pretty high determining factor into whether you chose RGB.  You'd think in all her vast wizdom and technology, she could have mimicked Reaper tech, allowing her to sneak onto the Citidel, ninja kick Starchild and blast the core with a Blackstar in each hand!

excusifying alert!! lol Make a machine do all the Mans Work!! (heck,we got the Catalyst for that light work...)

[GreyLycanTrope]

EDI's a valid form of life and a person. A different form of life but still life.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Shes a robot nothing more.

Exactly. A glorified toaster oven.

[D24O]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Can we immitate life tho? Thats the question, then to say, we qualify it as that limits their potential. A value judgment?

I think the nerd term is emmulate, thats what machines do when immitating life as we know of it.

Perhaps, it would make sense that a synthetic would try to emulate its creator. But  if it can recognize and copy the patterns of behavior spontaenously, that seems pretty lifelike to me. And if its programmed to, well we're already programmed naturally to be human, not too big a difference to be relegated to what is effectively slavery IMO. Personally I don't see a difference besides the chemichal composition of their "brain".

[RadicalDisconnect]

By our biological definition, she isn't alive. However, I value life based on a being's sapience and free will. In that regard, yes, EDI is alive. She is definitely not just a tool. My life and the lives of my crew are in her hands, and if she wants, she can easily kill the entire crew. However, she chooses fight with us against the Reapers.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:01 .

[Wayning_Star]

D24O wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Can we immitate life tho? Thats the question, then to say, we qualify it as that limits their potential. A value judgment?

I think the nerd term is emmulate, thats what machines do when immitating life as we know of it.

Perhaps, it would make sense that a synthetic would try to emulate its creator. But  if it can recognize and copy the patterns of behavior spontaenously, that seems pretty lifelike to me. And if its programmed to, well we're already programmed naturally to be human, not too big a difference to be relegated to what is effectively slavery IMO. Personally I don't see a difference besides the chemichal composition of their "brain".

pretty soon the discussion will leave the body and enter the ether...its a chain of command thing..lol

If we ever get around to the tech capable of what Edi accomplishes, lets hope we've the wisdom to protect that with about everything we got. But then we watch the news and see just how well that's work'n out.. crap,now i'm metagaming.. http://www.tu-harbur...t/it/Ether.html

[Texhnolyze101]

Rogue Unit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Shes a robot nothing more.

And you're meat and liquid nothing more.

Is there some point your trying to make?

[Texhnolyze101]

Wayning_Star wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Shes a robot nothing more.

"Many decisions lie ahead. None of them matter."

Is just a joke about the endings while using what shep says in the ME1 trailer.

Modifié par 101ezylonhxeT, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:18 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Shes a robot nothing more.

And you're meat and liquid nothing more.

Is there some point your trying to make?

Yeah, I believe his point is that a person is defined by character and action, not what he/she is physically made out of. That's why I believe EDI is a person.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:26 .

[Zardoc]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Shes a robot nothing more.

And you're meat and liquid nothing more.

Is there some point your trying to make?

Prolly the same point you were trying to make by saying something so meaningless.

[Versus Omnibus]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Shes a robot nothing more.

And you're meat and liquid nothing more.

Is there some point your trying to make?

Yeah, I believe his point is that a person is defined by character and action, not what he/she is physically made of. That's why I believe EDI is a person.

Ditto.

[AlanC9]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Shes a robot nothing more.

And you're meat and liquid nothing more.

Is there some point your trying to make?

That saying something's "a robot nothing more" is ducking the question. She's metal, Shep's meat. So fracking what?

[Texhnolyze101]

AlanC9 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Shes a robot nothing more.

And you're meat and liquid nothing more.

Is there some point your trying to make?

That saying something's "a robot nothing more" is ducking the question. She's metal, Shep's meat. So fracking what?

OP asked a question and i answered.

Modifié par 101ezylonhxeT, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:27 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Given how blatantly (and sexually) anthromorphized, EDI of ME3 was never anything but an organic, because Bioware more or less went with the 'organics with nerdy vocabulary' approach to synthetics. Geth were given liberal emotions in ME2, EDI the sexbot in 3... about the only synthetics worth the name were the Reapers.

A distant second was the Thorian, but it had so little role it might as well just been an egotist.

[Massa FX]

Plant life - alive
Dog- alive
Normandy - not alive
Fish- alive
Mouse- alive
Computer- not alive
Joker- alive
Liara- alive
Wrex- alive
Legion- a new life form
EDI- a new life form
Geth- a new life form
Avina- not alive
TIM- dead

[Isichar]

I consider her to be alive, without synthesis as well. On a completely unrelated note I wish Bioware would not have gone for the overly sexualized fembot image but eh...

Edit: I agree with Massa FX, they are alive but a new type of life form.

Modifié par Isichar, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:32 .

[SeptimusMagistos]

Isichar wrote...

I consider her to be alive, without synthesis as well. On a completely unrelated note I wish Bioware would not have gone for the overly sexualized fembot image but eh...

I think it's just another callback to 80s sci-fi. Just like the sexualization of the asari. It's meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

[Versus Omnibus]

Isichar wrote...

I consider her to be alive, without synthesis as well. On a completely unrelated note I wish Bioware would not have gone for the overly sexualized fembot image but eh...

Agreed. A regular body for EDI would have been fine with me, but I got over it.

Massa FX wrote...

Plant life - alive
Dog- alive
Normandy - not alive
Fish- alive
Mouse- alive
Computer- not alive
Joker- alive
Liara- alive
Wrex- alive
Legion- a new life form
EDI- a new life form
Geth- a new life form
Avina- not alive
TIM- dead

'Bout sums it up, doesn't it. ^^

[GreyLycanTrope]

Massa FX wrote...

Plant life - alive
Dog- alive
Normandy - not alive
Fish- alive
Mouse- alive
Computer- not alive
Joker- alive
Liara- alive
Wrex- alive
Legion- a new life form
EDI- a new life form
Geth- a new life form
Avina- not alive
TIM- dead

This

[Isichar]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

Isichar wrote...

I consider her to be alive, without synthesis as well. On a completely unrelated note I wish Bioware would not have gone for the overly sexualized fembot image but eh...

I think it's just another callback to 80s sci-fi. Just like the sexualization of the asari. It's meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

True, though the ****** just makes me facepalm.

[Endorlf]

Well, I've seen this posted a few times here, but I think it has relevance to this topic.

Measure of a Man

Modifié par Endorlf, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:42 .

[KBomb]

No, I do not consider her alive in the biological sense. I am fond of her, but fondness of her isn’t the question.

[Versus Omnibus]

KBomb wrote...

No, I do not consider her alive in the biological sense. I am fond of her, but fondness of her isn’t the question.

How about in the sapience sense? Many would argue that simply being organic isn't enough to be considered alive.