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[S0LF]

she's a person, fully self-aware.

[Isichar]

Endorlf wrote...

Well, I've seen this posted a few times here, but I think it has relevance to this topic.

Measure of a Man

Love this clip.

[capn233]

Voted "Not Alive" and "A Person."

[D24O]

I am not a gun.

[Isichar]

D24O wrote...

I am not a gun.

I want proof.

[Versus Omnibus]

D24O wrote...

I am not a gun.

And I am not an omni-blade.

[Massa FX]

Isichar wrote...

Endorlf wrote...

Well, I've seen this posted a few times here, but I think it has relevance to this topic.

Measure of a Man

Love this clip.

Makes destroy that much worse for me. And I've always went with destroy because I want the Reapers dead. But the price it's so difficult to digest. If the decision were a RL decision that I had to make... I would go with Control so I could steal Reaper knowledge and then destroy all Reapers. I'd setup some way to share the knowedge over time with the galaxy. And then to protect the galaxy against my AI self, I'd self terminate. 

[Wayning_Star]

Isichar wrote...

Endorlf wrote...

Well, I've seen this posted a few times here, but I think it has relevance to this topic.

Measure of a Man

Love this clip.

I found it curious that their writers used the term 'crucible' in Picards speech/defense posture. Mentioned the word 'pure' as well.. all'n all another similarity.

[KBomb]

Versus Omnibus wrote...


How about in the sapience sense? Many would argue that simply being organic isn't enough to be considered alive.

I do not see her as a life form. I see her as an extremely advanced computer. EDI herself doesn’t use the words “alive” unless she is ‘merged’ with organics. Only then does she feel alive and not ‘alone’. The ‘human traits’ she has is programming. She tells Shepard many times that she cannot feel the same way he does and she rewrites her programming to mimic those things, but she does not feel them in the way humans (I am using human as a general term instead of using the names for all species in ME) do.

If we lose someone we love, we forever remember them. She has to program herself to feel that kind of emotion and she can easily program it out.
 
I chose destroy and it was a hard decision, but only because of my fondness of EDI and Legion. Fond attachments alone wasn’t enough for me to place their value above that of organic species. People are entitled to their opinion on her and I respect that, but I do not share it.

[D24O]

Isichar wrote...

D24O wrote...

I am not a gun.

I want proof.

http://tvtropes.org/...Main/IAmNotAGun 

[Versus Omnibus]

KBomb wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...


How about in the sapience sense? Many would argue that simply being organic isn't enough to be considered alive.

I do not see her as a life form. I see her as an extremely advanced computer. EDI herself doesn’t use the words “alive” unless she is ‘merged’ with organics. Only then does she feel alive and not ‘alone’. The ‘human traits’ she has is programming. She tells Shepard many times that she cannot feel the same way he does and she rewrites her programming to mimic those things, but she does not feel them in the way humans (I am using human as a general term instead of using the names for all species in ME) do.

If we lose someone we love, we forever remember them. She has to program herself to feel that kind of emotion and she can easily program it out.
 
I chose destroy and it was a hard decision, but only because of my fondness of EDI and Legion. Fond attachments alone wasn’t enough for me to place their value above that of organic species. People are entitled to their opinion on her and I respect that, but I do not share it.

I can respect that.

I just want to add she does say she feels alive before you move to the beam.

[GreyLycanTrope]

D24O wrote...

Isichar wrote...

D24O wrote...

I am not a gun.

I want proof.

http://tvtropes.org/...Main/IAmNotAGun 

Thought you were referencing that, wasn't sure.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 05 septembre 2012 - 02:14 .

[D24O]

Man I love that movie, wish CN still played it during the fall.

[KBomb]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

I can respect that.

I just want to add she does say she feels alive before you move to the beam.

And she also says, “This platform is disposable.”

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Her being alive is not really disputable. What I do dispute is equating synthetic life to that of sapient organics.

To put it into a totem-pole, it would be like:

- Organics (sapient... humans/asari/turian...)
- Organics (primitive... cat/dog/varren); Synthetics; Reaper.
- Husks.

[Versus Omnibus]

KBomb wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

I can respect that.

I just want to add she does say she feels alive before you move to the beam.

And she also says, “This platform is disposable.”

Because EDI is more then just that body, just like I'm more then walking meat and water. That is the ultimate question that nobody but me and others seem to be asking: what is it to be alive, our bodies or something else?

[GreyLycanTrope]

D24O wrote...

Man I love that movie, wish CN still played it during the fall.

I wish they still ran the Zeta Project, no I don't expect anyone to know what that is.

[D24O]

Greylycantrope wrote...

D24O wrote...

Man I love that movie, wish CN still played it during the fall.

I wish they still ran the Zeta Project, no I don't expect anyone to know what that is.

Good b/c that rings no bells.

[GreyLycanTrope]

See this is why it got canceled after two seasons, I blame you for this D24O!

[Versus Omnibus]

Greylycantrope wrote...

D24O wrote...

Man I love that movie, wish CN still played it during the fall.

I wish they still ran the Zeta Project, no I don't expect anyone to know what that is.

Is that the old cartoon about the android on the run from a weapons dealer and guest stared on Batman Beyond?

[D24O]

Greylycantrope wrote...

See this is why it got canceled after two seasons, I blame you for this D24O!

Gooby pls

[SeptimusMagistos]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Her being alive is not really disputable. What I do dispute is equating synthetic life to that of sapient organics.

To put it into a totem-pole, it would be like:

- Organics (sapient... humans/asari/turian...)
- Organics (primitive... cat/dog/varren); Synthetics; Reaper.
- Husks.

On what basis, exactly?

All sapient creatures should be treated exactly the same, no?

That's sort of why we had the whole Civil Rights thing. Just because someone is different from you doesn't make them worth less.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Is that the old cartoon about the android on the run from a weapons dealer and guest stared on Batman Beyond?

Close, batman beyond spin off. Goverment assassin droid grows a conscience and decides not to kill anymore, devlops free will runs off and tries to gain freedom.

[D24O]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Is that the old cartoon about the android on the run from a weapons dealer and guest stared on Batman Beyond?

Close, batman beyond spin off. Goverment assassin droid grows a conscience and decides not to kill anymore, devlops free will runs off and tries to gain freedom.

You remember what year it ran? I may have accually watched it.

Now that I looked it up, I did watch it, though I don't remember it all that well.

Modifié par D24O, 05 septembre 2012 - 02:36 .