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[Blind2Society]

I used the viper yesterday and it was pretty well garbage as well. And remember, I'm using these guns on classes with no damage bonuses (basic engineers, FHE, SE and the like).

[Rokayt]

The Viper is killed by its scope.....

At least it is somewhat good at hipfiring.

[Gravisanimi]

Agreed, she doesn't spend a lot, apparently waiting for a Raptor buff.
Palm Blaster is apparently an UR, go figure.

I forgot I made a thread like this asking to buff the Raptor
http://social.biowar.../index/13463678
You even posted in it.

[Rokayt]

Yeah.

Actually, The day I posted this, it was because of me getting angry at a guy who said the raptor didn't deserve to be buffed because it was a bad gun already... On a more generalized balance thread....

So... Then I proceeded to make a thread legendary in scale.

[Gravisanimi]

Rokayt wrote...

Yeah.

Actually, The day I posted this, it was because of me getting angry at a guy who said the raptor didn't deserve to be buffed because it was a bad gun already... On a more generalized balance thread....

So... Then I proceeded to make a thread legendary in scale.

No problem, this works better anyway, I had no Stats

Why would a bad gun not deserve a buff? Internet logic:wizard:

[Rokayt]

Gravisanimi wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Yeah.

Actually, The day I posted this, it was because of me getting angry at a guy who said the raptor didn't deserve to be buffed because it was a bad gun already... On a more generalized balance thread....

So... Then I proceeded to make a thread legendary in scale.

No problem, this works better anyway, I had no Stats

Why would a bad gun not deserve a buff? Internet logic:wizard:

Well, Stats really dont mean much without comparisons.

I meana, Look at buff the locust. There was evidence... It just wasn't nearly as stong, consise, or readable.....

It took half a month to get a buff.

This has three times as many pages....

I hope it will only take me two weeks at most for this buff to happen.

Modifié par Rokayt, 07 septembre 2012 - 12:55 .

[MajorStupidity]

Rokayt wrote...

Yeah.

Actually, The day I posted this, it was because of me getting angry at a guy who said the raptor didn't deserve to be buffed because it was a bad gun already... On a more generalized balance thread....

So... Then I proceeded to make a thread legendary in scale.

I believe I remember reading that same thread, internet logic is sometimes very illogical.

Ninja Bump

[Rokayt]

MajorStupidity wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Yeah.

Actually, The day I posted this, it was because of me getting angry at a guy who said the raptor didn't deserve to be buffed because it was a bad gun already... On a more generalized balance thread....

So... Then I proceeded to make a thread legendary in scale.

I believe I remember reading that same thread, internet logic is sometimes very illogical.

Ninja Bump

An update on the buffs similar weapons recieved:

Update: Some data on the Mattocks buffs:

It went from 95.2 to 129.5 damage.

This
is a 36% buff. If the Raptor gets anything less then this, it will need
to be rebuffed In order to get even close to being balanced with this
one gun.

OP UPDATED.


Now, these other weapons are totally irrelevant in terms of deciding how much of a buff the raptor needs.......
But lets look at what they got.

Arc pistol:
Was 65 (Coaleced INI value) . Now is 96.5 damage!
48.5% buff!

Eagle:
Was 53 damage (Coaleced INI value) . Now is 93.7 damage!
77% buff!

Indra: 59 damage (Coalesced INI value) . Now does 92.2 damage!
56% buff.....

Does my 40% buff look too unreasonable now?

Modifié par Rokayt, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:06 .

[Blind2Society]

Rokayt wrote...

Does my 40% buff look to unreasonable now?

It never did.

However, 40% buff would bring it to about 135 damage per shot? Still seems a bit low.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:08 .

[quack123]

Buff it to the power of a javelin per shot for a week then buff it to a normal power.

[Rokayt]

Blind2Society wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Does my 40% buff look too unreasonable now?

It never did.

My grammar did.

*REVISIONIST HISTORY GO!*

Modifié par Rokayt, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:07 .

[MajorStupidity]

Bioware has tendency to screw up buffs (Locust 10% damage buff) please do not do this with the Raptor it needs ALOT of love.

I hope after the raptor is buffed you post that uncommon weapon analysis because many of those weapons are completely obsolete by now.

[omegamantis113]

quack123 wrote...

Buff it to the power of a javelin per shot for a week then buff it to a normal power.

So give us the Nemesis's Raptor for a week? I am in

[Blind2Society]

I'm thinking a 100% damage buff shouldn't be out of the question.

[Rokayt]

Blind2Society wrote...

I'm thinking a 100% damage buff shouldn't be out of the question.

Ok. While I am all for big buffs.....

This one is actually a little funny.

1337 DPS Raptor anyone? THAT ACTUALLY IS what we would get.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Rokayt wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

I'm thinking a 100% damage buff shouldn't be out of the question.

Ok. While I am all for big buffs.....

This one is actually a little funny.

1337 DPS Raptor anyone? THAT ACTUALLY IS what we would get.

I wouldn't say no to that. 

PS : Don't forget the Wraith 

Modifié par Jay_Hoxtatron, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:21 .

[Blind2Society]

Rokayt wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

I'm thinking a 100% damage buff shouldn't be out of the question.

Ok. While I am all for big buffs.....

This one is actually a little funny.

1337 DPS Raptor anyone? THAT ACTUALLY IS what we would get.

Well the gun does 98 damage per shot right? 100% boost wouldn't even get it to 200. So an enemy with 3000 combined health/shields would still take an entire clip to kill. Doesn't seem to far fetched to me.

[Rokayt]

Blind2Society wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

I'm thinking a 100% damage buff shouldn't be out of the question.

Ok. While I am all for big buffs.....

This one is actually a little funny.

1337 DPS Raptor anyone? THAT ACTUALLY IS what we would get.

Well the gun does 98 damage per shot right? 100% boost wouldn't even get it to 200. So an enemy with 3000 combined health/shields would still take an entire clip to kill. Doesn't seem to far fetched to me.

Well, Technically, a 105.28% damage buff would give us a 1337 damage per second raptor....

Modifié par Rokayt, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:24 .

[DHKany]

Blind2Society wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

I'm thinking a 100% damage buff shouldn't be out of the question.

Ok. While I am all for big buffs.....

This one is actually a little funny.

1337 DPS Raptor anyone? THAT ACTUALLY IS what we would get.

Well the gun does 98 damage per shot right? 100% boost wouldn't even get it to 200. So an enemy with 3000 combined health/shields would still take an entire clip to kill. Doesn't seem to far fetched to me.

Are you forgetting the passive bonuses we get? 
Not to mention 'mode' powers. 

[Blind2Society]

^ I suppose I am, didn't really think of it. And mode powers should be irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. My FHE doesn't have those.

You happen to know enemy health/shield values for gold? Say, Reapers?

Modifié par Blind2Society, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:27 .

[Rokayt]

Blind2Society wrote...

^ I suppose I am, didn't really think of it.

You happen to know enemy health/shield values for gold? Say, Reapers?

On Platinum...

A Marauder would survive a magazine from the 1337 damage per second Raptor.


On gold, it would not.

That is, without power bonuses, extended barrels, ammos, gear, or amps.

Not to mention Tactical cloak....

Modifié par Rokayt, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:28 .

[Blind2Society]

Rokayt wrote..

On gold, it would not.

Which is exactly what I think the raptor should do. In fact, I don't think it should take more than 5-6 body shots to kill one on gold with a Raptor on a class with nothing but passive damage bonuses.

For me, when regarding the raptor, TC bonus is irrelevant. If I'm using my SI I'm using a kishock or javelin. The raptor and similar rapid fire weapons are what I would like to use on my engineers. I want to take my FHE into gold reapers, be staring two marauders in the face and have a high chance of surviving.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:32 .

[Rokayt]

Blind2Society wrote...

Rokayt wrote..

On gold, it would not.

Which is exactly what I think the raptor should do. In fact, I don't think it should take more than 5-6 body shots to kill one on gold with a Raptor on a class with nothing but passive damage bonuses.

I updated the post.

That is without bonuses I did the calculations.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Blind2Society wrote...

Rokayt wrote..

On gold, it would not.

Which is exactly what I think the raptor should do. In fact, I don't think it should take more than 5-6 body shots to kill one on gold with a Raptor on a class with nothing but passive damage bonuses.

You'd have to increase the recoil then to balance a damage buff of that scale.

[Rokayt]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Rokayt wrote..

On gold, it would not.

Which is exactly what I think the raptor should do. In fact, I don't think it should take more than 5-6 body shots to kill one on gold with a Raptor on a class with nothing but passive damage bonuses.

You'd have to increase the recoil then to balance a damage buff of that scale.

Truely.

I have only not shut down that line of discussion because I find it legitamately funny.