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[Blind2Society]

What's funny about killing a marauder in 6 shots?

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Rokayt wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

Rokayt wrote..

On gold, it would not.

Which is exactly what I think the raptor should do. In fact, I don't think it should take more than 5-6 body shots to kill one on gold with a Raptor on a class with nothing but passive damage bonuses.

You'd have to increase the recoil then to balance a damage buff of that scale.

Truely.

I have only not shut down that line of discussion because I find it legitamately funny.

A 30% or 40% buff, without drawbacks, yeah sure. But if we're talking about a 100% damage buff..

[Rokayt]

Blind2Society wrote...

What's funny about killing a marauder in 6 shots?

Thats a single second. Without headshots.

[Blind2Society]

Rokayt wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

What's funny about killing a marauder in 6 shots?

Thats a single second. Without headshots.

A marauder can kill me in a single second, without headshots.

And that's also assuming you're shooting the gun as fast as possible and hitting every shot. Let's throw these BS numbers out the window and focus on actual gameplay shall we?

Modifié par Blind2Society, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:40 .

[Rokayt]

Blind2Society wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

What's funny about killing a marauder in 6 shots?

Thats a single second. Without headshots.

A marauder can kill me in a single second, without headshots.

And that's also assuming you're shooting the gun as fast as possible and hitting every shot. Let's throw these BS numbers out the window and focus on actual gameplay shall we?

The +100% raptor would be the strongest weapon in the game.....

The Avatar of power creep......

The end of all things.

(Besides, killing a marauder with 6 bodyshots would take 700 damage, OR mantis damage.)

Modifié par Rokayt, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:44 .

[Blind2Society]

I suppose you're right. I'll take the 40% buff and see where it gets me. It will be a phalanx with 3 more shots per clip.

And just for kicks, a lot of weapons do more than 3000 damage per clip.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:09 .

[Rokayt]

Blind2Society wrote...

I suppose you're right. I'll take the 40% buff and see where it gets me. It will be a phalanx with 3 more shots per clip.

And Twice the fire rate...

Flawless accuracy.....

And no reason not to go AP+EB.

(Interesting fact.

The Harriers spread is identical to the raptor.)

Modifié par Rokayt, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:08 .

[Blind2Society]

Rokayt wrote...

And Twice the fire rate...

Flawless accuracy.....

And no reason not to go AP+EB.

(Interesting fact.

The Harriers spread is identical to the raptor.)

Fire rate is still subjective. It can fire that fast but that does not mean everyone is slamming the trigger as fast as possible. And flawless accuracy is nice with stationary targets but most enemies think this is a dancing game. Numbers on paper, that's one thing, actual play is another.

All in all I would like to see 150 damage per shot and see where it's at (just a bit higher than your suggested 135).

Modifié par Blind2Society, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:15 .

[Rokayt]

Blind2Society wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

And Twice the fire rate...

Flawless accuracy.....

And no reason not to go AP+EB.

(Interesting fact.

The Harriers spread is identical to the raptor.)

Fire rate is still subjective. It can fire that fast but that does not mean everyone is slamming the trigger as fast as possible. And flawless accuracy is nice with stationary targets but most enemies think this is a dancing game. Numbers on paper, that's one thing, actual play is another.

I fire the mattock at its theorhetical Rof on the GI....

I Don't see how I couldn't do it with the raptor I used for 4 months....

[Blind2Society]

Rokayt wrote...
I fire the mattock at its theorhetical Rof on the GI....

I Don't see how I couldn't do it with the raptor I used for 4 months....

That's nice. I wasn't aware you are everybody. And I didn't mean people can't fire it that fast, more that people don't fire it that fast.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:17 .

[Rokayt]

Blind2Society wrote...

Rokayt wrote...
I fire the mattock at its theorhetical Rof on the GI....

I Don't see how I couldn't do it with the raptor I used for 4 months....

That's nice. I wasn't aware you are everybody.

I still don't see why the Raptor should be capable of a theorhetical naked DPS of 4667.......

Why should it beat an AP Reegar against armor??????

The BLACK WIDOW per shot!?!?!?

Modifié par Rokayt, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:19 .

[himegoto]

As with all the SMGs

[Rokayt]

All the SMGS that are not the Tempest/Harrier could use some work....

That is, If I am right about how the Hornet actually works....

Bust fire mechanics have refused to give me consistent results.

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Rokayt... do you really believe that weapon rarity should not dictate effectiveness? Because that's how it seems.

I have trouble understanding it when people look at an uncommon and an ultra-rare, determine that the UR is better and complain.

The
one part I will concede is the Mattock. Why? Because it's the same
rarity. However, does this mean the Raptor should be buffed, or the
Mattock nerfed?

Weapon weight is a far stronger indication of how powerful something should be. Tell me why a heavy gun should be weaker then a ligher one? Weight hurts you. Rarity doesn't.

I dunno. My Favorite gun is still the Tempest. *Pulls pants down and does the helecopter.*

Well.... All I have to say on that is:

Modifié par Rokayt, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:29 .

[DullahansXMark]

Rokayt wrote...

All the SMGS that are not the Tempest/Harrier could use some work....

That is, If I am right about how the Hornet actually works....

Bust fire mechanics have refused to give me consistent results.

You mean Hurricane, right?

Harrier's not an SMG

[Rokayt]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

All the SMGS that are not the Tempest/Harrier could use some work....

That is, If I am right about how the Hornet actually works....

Bust fire mechanics have refused to give me consistent results.

You mean Hurricane, right?

Harrier's not an SMG

Freudian slip, same thing. <_<

[tntk252]

I bumped this once more before I went to sleep. I come back and there's three more pages. Rokayt, Well done.

[Rokayt]

tntk252 wrote...

I bumped this once more before I went to sleep. I come back and there's three more pages. Rokayt, Well done.

Its getting to be the longest thread on the MP that has never had a bioware employee post on it.

Hell! If we took out all my posts, it would still be 10 pages!


Ohh wait!

Eric Fagnan wrote.....

The Raptor is being reviewed.

That was a joke.

Modifié par Rokayt, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:34 .

[Blind2Society]

Rokayt wrote...

Why should it beat an AP Reegar against armor??????

The reegar does 528 damage X 22 shots per clip = 11,616 damage per clip

A raptor with 200 damage X 15 shots per clip = 3000 damage per clip

The BLACK WIDOW per shot!?!?!?

Per clip I assume you meant?

A black widow VII (what I have) = 600 damage per shot so 1800/ damage per clip.

So yeah, it would out do the BW which wouldn't be right. Then again, I'm still of the mindset that all SRs are underpowered.

Anyway, I think 150 damage per shot would be nice (just 15 more per shot than you suggest).

[Rokayt]

Blind2Society wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Why should it beat an AP Reegar against armor??????

The reegar does 528 damage X 22 shots per clip = 11,616 damage per clip

A raptor with 200 damage X 15 shots per clip = 3000 damage per clip

The BLACK WIDOW per shot!?!?!?

Per clip I assume you meant?

A black widow VII (what I have) = 600 damage per shot so 1800/ damage per clip.

So yeah, it would out do the BW which wouldn't be right. Then again, I'm still of the mindset that all SRs are underpowered.

Anyway, I think 150 damage per shot would be nice (just 15 more per shot than you suggest).

You suggested killing a marauder in 6 shots.

Thats 590, through 767 damage on the difficulties you were reccomending it for....

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No I disagree. UR's should weigh less than their uncommon counterparts AND be more powerful.

That's why they're UR's.

The Harrier, the Black widow, the Wraith, the Saber, the Javalin, the Prothen Particle Rifle, and the Typhoon would like a word with you.

In FACT.

I see more people complaining about how your views are NOT THE CASE with the ULTRA RARES.
When this was so blatantly not the design goal at all.

Modifié par Rokayt, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:39 .

[Blind2Society]

Rokayt wrote...

You suggested killing a marauder in 6 shots.

Thats 590, through 767 damage on the difficulties you were reccomending it for....

Yeah, I slipped a bit. I was thinking of solving a different problem by fixing the raptor. It's was a bit wonky. Marauders just kill way too damn quickly.

I guess I was just thinking, if they're dead their ridiculous RoF, damage/shot, accuracy and atomic elbow of doom wouldn't matter. lol.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:40 .

[tntk252]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No I disagree. UR's should weigh less than their uncommon counterparts AND be more powerful.

That's why they're UR's.

I'm not going to say UR's shouldn't be more powerful, but they shouldn't comepletely negate another weapons usefulness.

Even though the Harrier exists, the Mattock still has a place where it can be used in the MP. With the Indra and the Raptor however, there is abolutely no point in even having the raptor.

Hell, The raptor is pretty much outclassed by nearly every other uncommon weapon too, and on par with the Viper.

[Rokayt]

Blind2Society wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

You suggested killing a marauder in 6 shots.

Thats 590, through 767 damage on the difficulties you were reccomending it for....

Yeah, I slipped a bit. I was thinking of solving a different problem by fixing the raptor. It's was a bit wonky. Marauders just kill way too damn quickly.

I guess I was just thinking, if they're dead their ridiculous RoF, damage/shot, accuracy and atomic elbow of doom wouldn't matter. lol.

On Gold, every enemy is more powerful then you.

The only real advantage you have is your brain.

[Blind2Society]

Rokayt wrote...

On Gold, every enemy is more powerful then you.

The only real advantage you have is your brain.

That doesn't change my mind that marauders are overpowered, but that's another thread entirely.