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[Blind2Society]

Macros, turbo controllers and the like have no place in balance discussions.

[Rokayt]

Blind2Society wrote...

Macros, turbo controllers and the like have no place in *

* Discussions regarding a weapon they do not work properly on.

[Uchimura]

The Indra actually looks more like the Incisor than the Raptor ( ' ')

As for macros.. people take the shortest path where possible. BW isn't going to give us some semiauto weapon with a rof ceiling of 1000, because that would surely get exploited. So IMO, definitely part of balance. If you think people aren't going to jump on stuff like that, just play on xbox in one of the many rampant rocket games. As for 'should' it be a concern? No, but the legit suffer for crimes of the few. (does anyone enjoy filling out captcha crap?)

Modifié par Uchimura, 05 septembre 2012 - 06:31 .

[Rokayt]

Uchimura wrote...

The Indra actually looks more like the Incisor than the Raptor ( ' ')

It behaves like their lovechild.

On all the good-stuff.

Both the Incisor and the Raptor deserve buffs.
(The Incisor fires fewer bullets per second, is less accurate, and is less damaging then the Raptor.... Ironically, its still more popular then the Arc Pistol, and the Eagle.)

HOWEVER. Whether or not it deserves my attention more is not part of the question.

The fact is, I am far more familiar with the Raptor, and thus I am more qualified to think of the solution as to how to buff it.

Modifié par Rokayt, 05 septembre 2012 - 06:29 .

[Steven83]

Solution - make the Raptor Autofire

[Rokayt]

Steven83 wrote...

Solution - make the Raptor Autofire

....

No.

Then... It would likely be made even weaker then it is now.

\\/ : Its my thread, you really cant blame me.

Modifié par Rokayt, 05 septembre 2012 - 06:34 .

[Blind2Society]

^

Steven83 wrote...

Solution - make the Raptor Autofire

No thanks.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 05 septembre 2012 - 06:30 .

[Rokayt]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

The Mattock isn't anywhere near as strong as the Harrier. :|

Mattock DPS: 971.25DPS

Harrier DPS: 1187DPS

The Harrier is only 20% stronger then the Mattock, despite the Mattock weighing 25% less then it.

Meanwhile, the Mattock is far more accurate.

In fact, this impies that being an ultra-rare is worth LESS then being an automatic weapon.

In fact. If I took this as the litteral golden rule of balanace strength-to-weight-to-rarity-to-fire-mode ratio, The Raptor should be doing about 230 damage if the Indra is fair and balanced as it is.

Saying that the Indra/Raptor relationship is fine, is saying that living out in the desert, and licking cane toads for a living is totally fine.

You're comparing the Mattock's MAX DPS to the Harrier... basically you're just completely ignoring the fact that the Harrier is automatic and the Mattock isn't. lol.

If you are so concerned about ~400 RPM semi autos DPS, you cannot discount me using the Mattocks max dps (Which is quite easy to fire at.  If the magazine drains in two seconds, you have fired at max ROF for the Mattock.)

Look at this:
1. The Harrier is innaccurate and instable compared to the mattock.

2. It weighs 25% more then the mattock.

3. The Harrier is an ultra rare that you will never get.

Is balanced by:

1. The Harriers DPS is 20% higher.

2. The Harrier is automatic.

In other words:

Being automatic is far more 'heavy' in determining the strength of a weapon then being an ultra rare. Given that it forces the Harrier to weigh an extra 25% more then the mattock, despite being only 20% stronger while still being far less accurate.

Modifié par Rokayt, 05 septembre 2012 - 06:45 .

[Uchimura]

Rokayt wrote...

The fact is, I am far more familiar with the Raptor, and thus I am more qualified to think of the solution as to how to buff it.

Within reason. If that's what you've mostly used instead of a variety of weapons, you're going to be biased. (I'm not saying I'm not)

[Rokayt]

Uchimura wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

The fact is, I am far more familiar with the Raptor, and thus I am more qualified to think of the solution as to how to buff it.

Within reason. If that's what you've mostly used instead of a variety of weapons, you're going to be biased. (I'm not saying I'm not)

I used to love using the Incisor on the TS.

The Valliant on the SI.

The Mantis () on the TI.

However:
The Raptor is the sniper I have the longest history with. The mattock the AR.

Is buffing the Raptor to the Mattocks level a crime?

Modifié par Rokayt, 05 septembre 2012 - 06:41 .

[Misfiring]

Steven83 wrote...

Solution - make the Raptor Autofire

Semi-auto is part of Raptor's characteristics, take that away and you end up with a weak imitation of Indra.

Just increase the damage to 120 for level X, and make it fire as fast as the M3.

Incisor needs a bigger buff. Make the damage 130 per round and increase the burst fire rate, as well as a reduce in recoil.

[Uchimura]

It's not. That response just seemed a bit ego-y.

[Rokayt]

Uchimura wrote...

It's not. That response just seemed a bit ego-y.

I suppose I should have said "I like to argue for weapons that I have devloped a strong case for already."

Misfiring wrote...

Steven83 wrote...

Solution - make the Raptor Autofire

Semi-auto is part of Raptor's characteristics, take that away and you end up with a weak imitation of Indra.

Just increase the damage to 120 for level X, and make it fire as fast as the M3.

Incisor needs a bigger buff. Make the damage 130 per round and increase the burst fire rate, as well as a reduce in recoil.

Its rate of fire is higher then the M3's (550 RPM to the M3's 500.) Its Firing delay makes it fire slower, while rendering it incapable of firing faster due to ROF bonuses. (400 RPM firecap)

The thing is: The Raptors recoil is high enough to be extriemely problematic while firing it at 400 RPM.

If we were to buff it to 500 RPM with the firecap.... It would simply be too innacurate to use in most situations.

Hence, why a flat damage boost to 136 would be better...

The Incisor.... Is just a mess...

ALL The burst fire weapons are brutally underpowered, except the Hornet.

It seems that bioware, in making a burst fire weapon, makes a weapon that would be balanced if it fired full auto..... Then makes it burstfire, and slaps a brutally long fireing delay on you (If your name isn't Hornet.)

Modifié par Rokayt, 05 septembre 2012 - 06:53 .

[MajorStupidity]

So many weapons still need buffs (and large ones not the typical 10% damage increase)

The raptor is an awesome place to start though.

[Rokayt]

To be technical, I started with the Locust.

That got a 10% buff after half a month of campaigning...

[Broganisity]

So what I hear you saying is:

'This gun is your Jessie'.
Considerably better options across the spectrum have taken away all real use for the Raptor.

I know how you feel and share your pain.

[Rokayt]

Broganisity wrote...

So what I hear you saying is:

'This gun is your Jessie'.
Considerably better options across the spectrum have taken away all real use for the Raptor.

I know how you feel and share your pain.

If only we were able to play alongside each other once my glorious victory comes about.
I also hoped.... That the last two weapons that I listed as examples would have been funny enough that I might get some applause.

Modifié par Rokayt, 05 septembre 2012 - 07:00 .

[Broganisity]

Rokayt wrote...

Broganisity wrote...

So what I hear you saying is:

'This gun is your Jessie'.
Considerably better options across the spectrum have taken away all real use for the Raptor.

I know how you feel and share your pain.

If only we were able to play alongside each other once my glorious victory comes about.
I also hoped.... That the last two weapons that I listed as examples would have been funny enough that I might get some applause.

Eagle and Arc Pistol?

I'm not surprised that they are better than the Raptor...and that's the sad part.

Didn't actually know about the fire delay though, that would explain a shot or two missing their mark.

(one day we will play together. And there will be Wraiths and Raptors everywhere!)

[Rokayt]

Broganisity wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Broganisity wrote...

So what I hear you saying is:

'This gun is your Jessie'.
Considerably better options across the spectrum have taken away all real use for the Raptor.

I know how you feel and share your pain.

If only we were able to play alongside each other once my glorious victory comes about.
I also hoped.... That the last two weapons that I listed as examples would have been funny enough that I might get some applause.

Eagle and Arc Pistol?

I'm not surprised that they are better than the Raptor...and that's the sad part.

Didn't actually know about the fire delay though, that would explain a shot or two missing their mark.

(one day we will play together. And there will be Wraiths and Raptors everywhere!)

Yep. It fires 6.6 bullets per second, not 9.16, like it promises in the loadout section.

Dont forget the secondbuff-Locusts.

Modifié par Rokayt, 05 septembre 2012 - 07:06 .

[Broganisity]

Rokayt wrote...


Yep. It fires 6.6 bullets per second, not 9.16, like it promises in the loadout section.

Dont forget the secondbuff-Locusts.

I- still haven't picked up my locust since the buff.

-disappears-

[Oni Dark Clown]

I wash my hands of this Weirdness...

[Rokayt]

Weirdness.

In my days, this was par for the course.
Back then we fought "Balance wars," over whether or not buffing the weaker weapons was worth nerfing the few overpowered guns.

Course' we decided it was worth it. Its how we got the peace that was today Dark-Clown.
This is not the weirdness as much as the normal way things have gone up to this point.

Edit:

Yeah, I was a bit of a cheeseball in the OP.
Ahh shaddap about the cheese, you know you like it.

Modifié par Rokayt, 05 septembre 2012 - 07:23 .

[Misfiring]

Rokayt wrote...

Misfiring wrote...

Steven83 wrote...

Solution - make the Raptor Autofire

Semi-auto is part of Raptor's characteristics, take that away and you end up with a weak imitation of Indra.

Just increase the damage to 120 for level X, and make it fire as fast as the M3.

Incisor needs a bigger buff. Make the damage 130 per round and increase the burst fire rate, as well as a reduce in recoil.

Its rate of fire is higher then the M3's (550 RPM to the M3's 500.) Its Firing delay makes it fire slower, while rendering it incapable of firing faster due to ROF bonuses. (400 RPM firecap)

The thing is: The Raptors recoil is high enough to be extriemely problematic while firing it at 400 RPM.

If we were to buff it to 500 RPM with the firecap.... It would simply be too innacurate to use in most situations.

Hence, why a flat damage boost to 136 would be better...

The Incisor.... Is just a mess...

ALL The burst fire weapons are brutally underpowered, except the Hornet.

It seems that bioware, in making a burst fire weapon, makes a weapon that would be balanced if it fired full auto..... Then makes it burstfire, and slaps a brutally long fireing delay on you (If your name isn't Hornet.)

Raptor has almost no recoil at all, no matter how fast you fire it.

The recoil on the hornet on the other hand is plain stupid. I rather take Hurricane to save my finger the trouble since they both the same except hurricane is full auto. Hornet has good accuracy but accuracy is usually the least important for an SMG. Same goes to Vondicator if you use scope, I rather just take Phaeston.

Recoil is usually the nightmare for all burst fire weapons, so the first step of buffing any of them is the reduce in recoil.

[Rokayt]

Misfiring wrote...

Raptor has almost no recoil at all, no matter how fast you fire it.

The recoil on the hornet on the other hand is plain stupid. I rather take Hurricane to save my finger the trouble since they both the same except hurricane is full auto. Hornet has good accuracy but accuracy is usually the least important for an SMG. Same goes to Vondicator if you use scope, I rather just take Phaeston.

Recoil is usually the nightmare for all burst fire weapons, so the first step of buffing any of them is the reduce in recoil.

The Hornet gets to shine now that it has that recoil mod for it..... That makes it actually become pretty good.

The Raptor, if fired as fast as you possibly can fire it, has a pretty appreciable increase in spread due to the recoil not totally recovering by the time the next shot is fired...

The Burst fire weapons, due to the recoil being more counterable then ever before...... Probably need damage buffs, IMO.