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The Raptor and Power creep: How the prince of snipers has fallen. (NECROS HAVE REVIVED THE FALLEN!!)


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#201
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The M-13 Raptor is the most beautiful and under utilized weapon in the game. I love the Raptor. Many a Single Player Campaign have I played using only this magnificent weapon. It isn't a sniper rifle, really. And, it isn't an assault rifle, either. Its a marvelous combination of both wrapped up in a sexy, gleaming white package.

I am 100% behind any type of improvement to this weapon that allows it to stand rightfully besides the other popular weapons in Mass Effect Multiplayer.

M-13 Raptor, I love you... :wub:






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I fully support this thread. The Raptor was my favorite sniper at launch, then was overtaken when I go the Indra.

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I did just remember one advantage the raptor has over the Indra. The hipfire damage. But that's negated by the fact that the Indra is full-auto. And the Viper also retains most of it's damage from hipfire.

Damn, the raptor just can't catch the good end of the game.

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tntk252 wrote...

I did just remember one advantage the raptor has over the Indra. The hipfire damage. But that's negated by the fact that the Indra is full-auto. And the Viper also retains most of it's damage from hipfire.

Damn, the raptor just can't catch the good end of the game.


Well, The Raptor may have 85% hipfire damage.... But its hipfire accuracy is twice as bad as the indra.

It also fires 25% slower then the indra....

So in the end, The Indra still has hipfire reach.

Modifié par Rokayt, 06 septembre 2012 - 01:22 .


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I support buffing the Raptor. I would love a reason to use it over my Indra VIII.

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The Raptor is uncommon, the Indra is an Ultra rare - there SHOULD be a vast power difference.

#207
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No, there should be a difference. Not one that makes the Raptor completely useless. As it is, The Indra outclasses the raptor in every single possible way.

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Shakespeare212 wrote...

The Raptor is uncommon, the Indra is an Ultra rare - there SHOULD be a vast power difference.


When there Isn't really a very good power-to-weight ratio difference between the Harrier and the Mattock?

What about the Eagle?

The Mattock? Why should it render the Raptor a novelty?

How about you read the entire OP and come up with a more complete counter-arguement?

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Ultra-rare does not = better than every weapon in the game. BW has never stated that rarity level affects power of weapon so this is just a misconception.

Uncommons do not need to be completely outdone by UR's, if we follow this system we are dooming ourselves to only using the few UR's that overshadow every other weapon.

less variety causes the game to become repetitive and lose players.

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MajorStupidity wrote...

Uncommons do not need to be completely outdone by UR's, if we follow this system we are dooming ourselves to only using the few UR's that overshadow every other weapon.


Honestly, Rarity systems like that are EXACTLY why I do not play MMOS (Even skill based ones.)

Modifié par Rokayt, 06 septembre 2012 - 01:38 .


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MajorStupidity wrote...

Ultra-rare does not = better than every weapon in the game. BW has never stated that rarity level affects power of weapon so this is just a misconception.


Just to prove this point, the Graal, GPS, Piranha and Claymore are al Rare weapons. All of them are also better than the UR wraith.

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tntk252 wrote...

MajorStupidity wrote...

Ultra-rare does not = better than every weapon in the game. BW has never stated that rarity level affects power of weapon so this is just a misconception.


Just to prove this point, the Graal, GPS, Piranha and Claymore are al Rare weapons. All of them are also better than the UR wraith.


In one capacity or another.

The Wraith has some reedeeming traits.

#213
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I believe they should either reduce the weight of the Raptor, increase its damage per shot, or both.



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A weight reduction... Would prevent it from getting the Justice it deserves....

Its suppose to be an alternative to the Mattock...

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Rokayt wrote...

A weight reduction... Would prevent it from getting the Justice it deserves....

Its suppose to be an alternative to the Mattock...

Heavier than mattock but having a slightly higher damage per shot and having a built in scope. Thats what I would like to see it as.

Fix the RoF cap!

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On a side note.

If anyone wishes to say the Raptor does not need a buff, they must first explain why the Mattock needs a nerf.

(Hint. It doesn't)

Modifié par Rokayt, 06 septembre 2012 - 01:58 .


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Damage Buff, to bring the damage above the Mattock, the RoF and the weight would make it a viable choice compared to the Mattock

Mattock also has a higher Headshot Damage than the Raptor.
Come on now.

Modifié par Gravisanimi, 06 septembre 2012 - 02:06 .


#218
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people throw complete tantrums over nerfs, yet they won't argue for buffs to underpowered weapons... all this leads me to believe is that people just want their easy button for the game.

My question to the people arguing that UR should be better, why do you care if it gets a buff it will not affect you it will just provide more variety into the game with more people using more varied weapons.

more variety = longevity and more support for the game from Bioware... you do like your free DLC correct?

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Gravisanimi wrote...

Damage Buff, to bring the damage above the Mattock, the RoF and the weight would make it a viable choice compared to the Mattock


The Unboostable 400RPM, and the 1.0 weight....

Yeah.

The OP explicitly stated that it should do more damage then the mattock.

Specifically..... It was like.... 111.something-136.8 damage.

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So I used the raptor twice back when I played silver. I liked it but other weapons still did the job better.

I used it again on a QME yesterday (reapers/gold) and god was it terrible, and I mean absolute garbage. About an hour ago I tried it again on my FHE (reapers/gold) thinking maybe, well, I don't really know what I was thinking. Needless to say it sucked just as much.

It really is a crying shame because it's such a good looking gun and I love the way it works.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, I had level IV ammo, level III rail amp and level V operative package.

EDIT2: Also forgot to mention the EB V and PM V.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 06 septembre 2012 - 02:49 .


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Blind2Society wrote...

So I used the raptor twice back when I played silver. I liked it but other weapons still did the job better.

I used it again on a QME yesterday (reapers/gold) and god was it terrible, and I mean absolute garbage. About an hour ago I tried it again on my FHE (reapers/gold) thinking maybe, well, I don't really know what I was thinking. Needless to say it sucked just as much.

It really is a crying shame because it's such a good looking gun and I love the way it works.

EDIT: forgot to mention, I had level IV ammo, level III rail amp and level V operative package.


You do not need to tell me how terrible its been creeped on.

I watched this for several months.... Until the Indra buff....

Then I abandoned train.

#222
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You are to on something, claiming these uncommon and common weapons are weak.

Modifié par DatFeel, 06 septembre 2012 - 02:14 .


#223
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Just figured I'd share my personal experience. ; )

Really it's also a much more broad issue. All snipers need work to be viable on classes other than infiltrators. I always loved my valiant VI but the past week or so I've been using it on non-infiltrators and it really isn't that great. Very meh, actually.

Anyway, the focus here is the Raptor, and it needs some help.

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DatFeel wrote...

You are to on something, claiming these uncommon and common weapons are weak.

How are the Mattock (Fourth highest DPS,) the Phalanx (Fastest firing gun capable of one bullet kills,) Tempest (Best DPS to weight ratio in the gamge,) and the Eviscerator (Excellent hit and run shotgun for all classes,) weak?


The only uncommons that are actually exceptionally bad are the Locust, the Snipers, and the Vindicator.

HELL. I haven't even campaigned on the common weapons.

Modifié par Rokayt, 06 septembre 2012 - 02:20 .


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Rokayt wrote...

HELL. I haven't even campaigned on the common weapons.


The mantis should reload like the valiant. Image IPB