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[Kataphrut94]

I disagree with the idea that synthetics (specifically EDI & the geth) aren't special. While no one will miss the Reapers, you have to remember that one of the many complaints about the ending was that if we made peace between the geth and the quarians or pushed EDI and Joker into a relationship like a deviant matchmaker, we couldn't tell the Catalyst he was wrong and could go suck on Harbinger's tailpipe.

What I'm saying is I think that EDI & the geth are incredibly important because they're the ones who truly break the cycle. They're the first synthetics (as far as we know) who have been proven to be able to coexist peacefully with organics. If they are destroyed, there's no guarantee that the inevitable replacements will get along the same way.

Considering the sequence of events that led to those respective entities becoming sentinent, which the Reapers and Shepard were both major factors in influencing, it just seems like it's far too much of a crapshoot to hope the lightning strikes twice. That's the major danger I see from choosing Destroy - that the galaxy would descend into the very sort of chaotic infighting the Reapers were created to stop. There are plenty of counter-arguments to this view of thinking, but I believe it's worth considering.

[Calamity]

ghost9191 wrote...

and the others are not?

last i checked there is only one threat at the time. reapers. there is no evidence of synthetics rising against organics, only catalysts broken logic

Organics against organics may be a bigger threat. If you cured the genophage...if you saved the rachni queen (again)...Levi...Asari (who could take over just by mating rituals since they can mate with anyone and the babies are all blue). Conflict is a way of life.

[XXIceColdXX]

Podge 90 wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Nope, you cant justify genocide to me I'm afraid.

Love that pic, funny how these threads always bring out a few robot sympathisers.

[ghost9191]

pretty much my point, there is one threat that should concern ppl and that is the reapers, even if say synthesis turns everyone into half robots doesn't mean it will stop conflict. and there isn't just conflict between organics and synthetics. The only ones we know of were influenced by the reapers. the geth didn't rebel , they defended themselves, simple. They could have done what the catalyst said they would and destroy their creators but they let them leave

synthesis will just make a mess of things, and control is worse, what when a race gets too advanced they just get wiped out in order to solve a problem that is not there. cultures will not grow. and would be pretty much like the reapers did before control

so there is no reason for me to believe the catalysts logic , there will be war no matter what . but shepard can stop the reapers from doing what you are talking about, wiping out organics

might not of said it well but think i got my point across , if not then well screw it

just no matter the choice, it does not fix the catalyst problem of synthetics destroying organics, which pretty sure you can disprove in ME3 , and evidence disproves it also. which brings up why doesn't it or shepard for that matter bring up the geth and organics working together to stop this threat


but again whatever

Modifié par ghost9191, 05 septembre 2012 - 11:22 .

[Isichar]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Nope, you cant justify genocide to me I'm afraid.

Love that pic, funny how these threads always bring out a few robot sympathisers.

Funny pic but it really becomes a matter of what you consider to be alive. If you view an object as just its base parts then its easy to ignore what is essentially been asked, the same question Legion found so important as to ask before he died.

[Calamity]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Nope, you cant justify genocide to me I'm afraid.

Love that pic, funny how these threads always bring out a few robot sympathisers.

I only see monitors...

[XXIceColdXX]

Calamity wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Nope, you cant justify genocide to me I'm afraid.

Love that pic, funny how these threads always bring out a few robot sympathisers.

I only see monitors...

Exactly!

[Clayless]

Can't be replaced, not the same experiences or person.

This isn't even an opinion here, this is just a plain fact.

[Calamity]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Calamity wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Nope, you cant justify genocide to me I'm afraid.

**SNIP**

Love that pic, funny how these threads always bring out a few robot sympathisers.

I only see monitors...

Exactly!

But you could have thrown in some "smart" tech... monitors..blah

[XXIceColdXX]

This is our chance to get rid of them before they take our women!

Modifié par XXIceColdXX, 05 septembre 2012 - 11:37 .

[Rykn]

Dead Reapers. Read that again. DEAD REAPERS. That is all that you should care about. You may mourn the fallen, it is your right. But...

DEAD.

REAPERS.

That is all.

Modifié par Rykn, 05 septembre 2012 - 12:06 .

[Vigil_N7]

The Geth are incredibly important if they made peace with the Quarians - Tali herself even said that what would take decades will only take months with the help of the Geth. Not only that at this point the Geth had sentience, they were essentially organics, just not in biological make-up.

There's no distinction anymore between Shepard wiping out the Geth or wiping out the Asari or the Turians, Shepard is in someway responsible for the death of millions, if not billions of units which do now "have a soul." That is the choice Shepard has to make in destroy, and its one I will always take.

Just as Shepard did by blowing up the Alpha relay, its a necessary choice he had to make, but it isn't one that should be understated, it is genocide. But its genocide of one species or all advanced species.

[Helios969]

Calamity wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

and the others are not?

last i checked there is only one threat at the time. reapers. there is no evidence of synthetics rising against organics, only catalysts broken logic

Organics against organics may be a bigger threat. If you cured the genophage...if you saved the rachni queen (again)...Levi...Asari (who could take over just by mating rituals since they can mate with anyone and the babies are all blue). Conflict is a way of life.

I believe Javik would call that the Cosmic Imperative.

[ghost9191]

and it is a choice the geth may find the right one also, yay for logic. just the same as destroying the heretics, it was the logical choice. Not right to do so, genocide is genocide is genocide, but to save the other races it is a sacrifice for the better. And to end teh current reaper threat

[GreyLycanTrope]

Any individual fully developed AI, like EDI Legion before he died, and the Geth after the Rannoch arc, have their over personality and outlook depending on their perspective. Rebuilding them won't yield the same personality. They'd have the forms but the race, the intelligence that had been previously developed is gone for good, seeing as AI's are mainly software, that part is the one that matters and the one that can't be brought back,

[rockman0]

With the Reaper Core and Legion's sacrifice, the Geth had finally gained true sentience, meaning acting out of will and ambition rather than pure logic. In other words, they'd become unique beings that deserved protection. While Geth can be recreated and possibly gain sentience again, that unique group of previous Geth, with the experiences and values that shaped their progress and evolution will be lost forever.

The same goes for EDI.

A similar, but not quite similar example is this: You have a child. That child's memories and experiences shaped him/her and made him/her into what he/she is. Then, for some unknown reason, the child dies. Now, let's say you have an option of having the child cloned. You go for it because you think it would be exactly the same. The memories and experiences are the same for that child. In the end, the newly cloned child grows up to be exactly the same as the original child. Only, you know its not the same. While the two children may be identical in every way, Child #1 is still dead and child #2 is simply parading around in child #1's skin. For this reason alone, things will never be the same for you.

Apologies if my last paragraph offends anyone. It's definitely not my intention to do so.

[LilLino]

Geth always put themselves ahead of everyone else. They were willing organic extinction to survive war with the Reapers. They joined them, meaning not only to fight the Quarians but other organics as well, being Reapers tools. They did so willingly, even if with regrets.

Even if you manage peace and get Geth support don't forget they
a) Had blood on their hands, our blood.
Were willing to kill us to ensure their survival. Bah, Heretics were willing to kill us to ensure their superiority.

So stop crying over them, they don't deserve that. Don't put them on equal terms with any organic race, no race joined the Reapers during the war and they all faced extinction.

[RavenEyry]

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OP

[dreman9999]

Can that be the same with organics?

If I save the organics dna data of a race, would it be ok for me to let them die because I can revive then via cloning?(Yes, this can be done in MEU)

The issues is kill all the individuals of that race, synthetic or organic. Saying a synthetic can be replace is no different then saying an organic can be replaced.

[dreman9999]

LilLino wrote...

Geth always put themselves ahead of everyone else. They were willing organic extinction to survive war with the Reapers. They joined them, meaning not only to fight the Quarians but other organics as well, being Reapers tools. They did so willingly, even if with regrets.

Even if you manage peace and get Geth support don't forget they
a) Had blood on their hands, our blood.
Were willing to kill us to ensure their survival. Bah, Heretics were willing to kill us to ensure their superiority.

So stop crying over them, they don't deserve that. Don't put them on equal terms with any organic race, no race joined the Reapers during the war and they all faced extinction.

So, if your choice was to die as a race or join the enemy , what would you choose?

[RenegonSQ]

I said the same thing, so I just wanna let you know that many people on this forum are attached to the Geth, and there's nothing you can say to change that lol.

To me, the geth and any other robot means nothing, but to others? Forget about it.

Modifié par RenegonSQ, 05 septembre 2012 - 03:34 .

[dreman9999]

XXIceColdXX wrote...



This is our chance to get rid of them before they take our women!

But we are taking their women, too.

[dreman9999]

RenegonSQ wrote...

I said the same thing, so I just wanna let you know that many people on this forum are attached to the Geth, and there's nothing you can say to change that lol.

To me, the geth and any other robot means nothing, but to others? Forget about it.

An indivisual is an indivisual, it matters not if it's organic or synthetic.

[RenegonSQ]

dreman9999 wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

I said the same thing, so I just wanna let you know that many people on this forum are attached to the Geth, and there's nothing you can say to change that lol.

To me, the geth and any other robot means nothing, but to others? Forget about it.

An indivisual is an indivisual, it matters not if it's organic or synthetic.

See what I mean OP? Here's a classic example of what I meant.

You just can't get people to understand that machines are JUST machines.