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[dreman9999]

RenegonSQ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

I said the same thing, so I just wanna let you know that many people on this forum are attached to the Geth, and there's nothing you can say to change that lol.

To me, the geth and any other robot means nothing, but to others? Forget about it.

An indivisual is an indivisual, it matters not if it's organic or synthetic.

See what I mean OP? Here's a classic example of what I meant.

You just can't get people to understand that machines are JUST machines.

I know a machine is just amachine but a machine can be an indivisual.
Arn't you just an animal...Yet you are an indivisual.

[BatmanPWNS]

Agreed. We'll have Legion v3 in no time.

[SeptimusMagistos]

RenegonSQ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

I said the same thing, so I just wanna let you know that many people on this forum are attached to the Geth, and there's nothing you can say to change that lol.

To me, the geth and any other robot means nothing, but to others? Forget about it.

An indivisual is an indivisual, it matters not if it's organic or synthetic.

See what I mean OP? Here's a classic example of what I meant.

You just can't get people to understand that machines are JUST machines.

Nope. Once a machine can think for itself it's a person.

[BatmanPWNS]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

I said the same thing, so I just wanna let you know that many people on this forum are attached to the Geth, and there's nothing you can say to change that lol.

To me, the geth and any other robot means nothing, but to others? Forget about it.

An indivisual is an indivisual, it matters not if it's organic or synthetic.

See what I mean OP? Here's a classic example of what I meant.

You just can't get people to understand that machines are JUST machines.

Nope. Once a machine can think for itself it's a person.

Some animal can think for themself's, does that make them a person?

[RenegonSQ]

I've already had this debate guys, I'd rather not have it again. I was just letting the OP know that there are many people like yourselves that strongly believe that synthetics are "individuals", and that you will not be convinced otherwise.

[dreman9999]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

I said the same thing, so I just wanna let you know that many people on this forum are attached to the Geth, and there's nothing you can say to change that lol.

To me, the geth and any other robot means nothing, but to others? Forget about it.

An indivisual is an indivisual, it matters not if it's organic or synthetic.

See what I mean OP? Here's a classic example of what I meant.

You just can't get people to understand that machines are JUST machines.

Nope. Once a machine can think for itself it's a person.

Some animal can think for themself's, does that make them a person?

Let's rephrase it...Once a machine can think for them selves it's an indivisual.

[dreman9999]

RenegonSQ wrote...

I've already had this debate guys, I'd rather not have it again. I was just letting the OP know that there are many people like yourselves that strongly believe that synthetics are "individuals", and that you will not be convinced otherwise.

So you go into a topic with this debate?
 Makes sense.

If you don't want to get shot do you run into gun fights?

[Jamie9]

No, they can't just be replaced. One day in the future, that kind of comment may be considered racism.

Modifié par Jamie9, 05 septembre 2012 - 04:19 .

[dreman9999]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Agreed. We'll have Legion v3 in no time.

How can it be a Legion v.3 if everthing that makes who make what Legion is is gone?

[holdenagincourt]

ghost9191 wrote...

and it is a choice the geth may find the right one also, yay for logic. just the same as destroying the heretics, it was the logical choice. Not right to do so, genocide is genocide is genocide, but to save the other races it is a sacrifice for the better. And to end teh current reaper threat

Legion (or any other Geth) would clearly choice synthesis over destroy (he basically did once already, after all). From a utilitarian standpoint, from a peacecrafting standpoint, a progress standpoint, it's the most beneficial writ large. And the Geth would not have the same ethical qualms about merging organics and synthetics, or integrating the knowledge of the Reapers into society.

It's simply a better teleological choice than destroy, but has potentially massive ethical issues (as well as the unfortunate side effect of obliterating Shepard's existence), so it has possible pitfalls. These pitfalls would not nearly be as significant to a Geth consciousness as a human mind, though.

[RenegonSQ]

dreman9999 wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

I've already had this debate guys, I'd rather not have it again. I was just letting the OP know that there are many people like yourselves that strongly believe that synthetics are "individuals", and that you will not be convinced otherwise.

So you go into a topic with this debate?
 Makes sense.

If you don't want to get shot do you run into gun fights?

No, my post only stated that other people who feel like you do will not be convinced that Synthetics can be replaced. It pertains to the topic, but it does not, in anyway,show that I wanted to debate whether synthetics can be replaced or not.

I am done here.

[dreman9999]

holdenagincourt wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

and it is a choice the geth may find the right one also, yay for logic. just the same as destroying the heretics, it was the logical choice. Not right to do so, genocide is genocide is genocide, but to save the other races it is a sacrifice for the better. And to end teh current reaper threat

Legion (or any other Geth) would clearly choice synthesis over destroy (he basically did once already, after all). From a utilitarian standpoint, from a peacecrafting standpoint, a progress standpoint, it's the most beneficial writ large. And the Geth would not have the same ethical qualms about merging organics and synthetics, or integrating the knowledge of the Reapers into society.

It's simply a better teleological choice than destroy, but has potentially massive ethical issues (as well as the unfortunate side effect of obliterating Shepard's existence), so it has possible pitfalls. These pitfalls would not nearly be as significant to a Geth consciousness as a human mind, though.

AKA, Morality is relative. What right to you is not righ tto some one else. To me the power the reapers had is too much for any indivisual to have and must be destroyed. Kill the geth is a burden I have to live with.

[Jamie9]

dreman9999 wrote...
AKA, Morality is relative. What right to you is not righ tto some one else. To me the power the reapers had is too much for any indivisual to have and must be destroyed. Kill the geth is a burden I have to live with.

IMO, Synthesis is the higher paragon option, Control is the lower paragon option.

Destroy is the higher renegade option, Refuse is the lower renegade option.

And just because I say it's renegade doesn't mean it's teh evuls. Renegade options are often the more logical choice, whereas the paragon options are optimistic, perhaps a little naive.

[SeptimusMagistos]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

I said the same thing, so I just wanna let you know that many people on this forum are attached to the Geth, and there's nothing you can say to change that lol.

To me, the geth and any other robot means nothing, but to others? Forget about it.

An indivisual is an indivisual, it matters not if it's organic or synthetic.

See what I mean OP? Here's a classic example of what I meant.

You just can't get people to understand that machines are JUST machines.

Nope. Once a machine can think for itself it's a person.

Some animal can think for themself's, does that make them a person?

If that thought is complex enough - yes it does.

[dreman9999]

Jamie9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
AKA, Morality is relative. What right to you is not righ tto some one else. To me the power the reapers had is too much for any indivisual to have and must be destroyed. Kill the geth is a burden I have to live with.

IMO, Synthesis is the higher paragon option, Control is the lower paragon option.

Destroy is the higher renegade option, Refuse is the lower renegade option.

And just because I say it's renegade doesn't mean it's teh evuls. Renegade options are often the more logical choice, whereas the paragon options are optimistic, perhaps a little naive.

I would not say naive. Comprimising but not naive.

[Vigilant111]

Jamie9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
AKA, Morality is relative. What right to you is not righ tto some one else. To me the power the reapers had is too much for any indivisual to have and must be destroyed. Kill the geth is a burden I have to live with.

IMO, Synthesis is the higher paragon option, Control is the lower paragon option.

Destroy is the higher renegade option, Refuse is the lower renegade option.

And just because I say it's renegade doesn't mean it's teh evuls. Renegade options are often the more logical choice, whereas the paragon options are optimistic, perhaps a little naive.

No, Jamie...there is no such thing as paragon/renegade in the endings

Renegade is not often a logical choice, and paragon is not often an illogical choice. Let me ask you, is it logical to kill Wrex and lose Krogan support in a war where unity matters the most?

[Wayning_Star]

They'll be back of course, read these posts and really not like what they see. Then, won't say a word, set back, bide their time and Whamo!! You got a revolt on your hands, unfortunately, you're "hands" are exactly what revolted. Go ahead, do the tube, cop an atttitude against all synthetics,because you're all madmad at those meany ol reapers..cause they're acting on their version of a destroy choice...oh wait?!? Is that circular reasoning right there?.. hmmm Hey, I know!! ****** for Tat!!! yay

never mind..you'll figure it out..lol (you're greatest grand kids'll thank you for it as well.. Reapertypes are FUN!!... keyin total sarcasm)

[Wayning_Star]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
AKA, Morality is relative. What right to you is not righ tto some one else. To me the power the reapers had is too much for any indivisual to have and must be destroyed. Kill the geth is a burden I have to live with.

IMO, Synthesis is the higher paragon option, Control is the lower paragon option.

Destroy is the higher renegade option, Refuse is the lower renegade option.

And just because I say it's renegade doesn't mean it's teh evuls. Renegade options are often the more logical choice, whereas the paragon options are optimistic, perhaps a little naive.

No, Jamie...there is no such thing as paragon/renegade in the endings

Renegade is not often a logical choice, and paragon is not often an illogical choice. Let me ask you, is it logical to kill Wrex and lose Krogan support in a war where unity matters the most?

I had to have really high renegade to talk Wrex out of getting done in by Ashly... Usually, starting out high Rgd, end up about 40 rgd 60prgn. Happens every time?

edit: had the %numbers reversed.

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 05 septembre 2012 - 04:51 .

[dreman9999]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
AKA, Morality is relative. What right to you is not righ tto some one else. To me the power the reapers had is too much for any indivisual to have and must be destroyed. Kill the geth is a burden I have to live with.

IMO, Synthesis is the higher paragon option, Control is the lower paragon option.

Destroy is the higher renegade option, Refuse is the lower renegade option.

And just because I say it's renegade doesn't mean it's teh evuls. Renegade options are often the more logical choice, whereas the paragon options are optimistic, perhaps a little naive.

No, Jamie...there is no such thing as paragon/renegade in the endings

Renegade is not often a logical choice, and paragon is not often an illogical choice. Let me ask you, is it logical to kill Wrex and lose Krogan support in a war where unity matters the most?

Depends on the person. Of course, potentially, a renegade player would of kill Wrex years ago any way.

[dreman9999]

Wayning_Star wrote...

They'll be back of course, read these posts and really not like what they see. Then, won't say a word, set back, bide their time and Whamo!! You got a revolt on your hands, unfortunately, you're "hands" are exactly what revolted. Go ahead, do the tube, cop an atttitude against all synthetics,because you're all madmad at those meany ol reapers..cause they're acting on their version of a destroy choice...oh wait?!? Is that circular reasoning right there?.. hmmm Hey, I know!! ****** for Tat!!! yay

never mind..you'll figure it out..lol (you're greatest grand kids'll thank you for it as well.. Reapertypes are FUN!!... keyin total sarcasm)

.....Do you even understand why synthetics revolt?

[guacamayus]

While the technology can be replaced the AI's blue box cannot be rebuild in the exact same way, everything that AI was is erased, the copy would be a different entity. I guess it comes down to how alive you think synthetics are, in the case of Legion or EDI I'd say they are pretty damn alive.

[Jamie9]

Vigilant111 wrote...
No, Jamie...there is no such thing as paragon/renegade in the endings

Renegade is not often a logical choice, and paragon is not often an illogical choice. Let me ask you, is it logical to kill Wrex and lose Krogan support in a war where unity matters the most?

Well, it's not a hard and fast rule.

But there are loads of instances where the renegade choice is the logical one: the Rachni, Udina as Councillor, Balak, Genophage cure, Heretic Geth.

[Wayning_Star]

dreman9999 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

They'll be back of course, read these posts and really not like what they see. Then, won't say a word, set back, bide their time and Whamo!! You got a revolt on your hands, unfortunately, you're "hands" are exactly what revolted. Go ahead, do the tube, cop an atttitude against all synthetics,because you're all madmad at those meany ol reapers..cause they're acting on their version of a destroy choice...oh wait?!? Is that circular reasoning right there?.. hmmm Hey, I know!! ****** for Tat!!! yay

never mind..you'll figure it out..lol (you're greatest grand kids'll thank you for it as well.. Reapertypes are FUN!!... keyin total sarcasm)

.....Do you even understand why synthetics revolt?

Why would junky machines even thinking of revolting against their masters?

[legion999]

It's genocide.

[Henioo]

With that logic, new children can be made, we should kill them all.