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[Wayning_Star]

legion999 wrote...

It's genocide.

via Syntha vs Orga.. two distinct life forms/races of being.

[dreman9999]

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

They'll be back of course, read these posts and really not like what they see. Then, won't say a word, set back, bide their time and Whamo!! You got a revolt on your hands, unfortunately, you're "hands" are exactly what revolted. Go ahead, do the tube, cop an atttitude against all synthetics,because you're all madmad at those meany ol reapers..cause they're acting on their version of a destroy choice...oh wait?!? Is that circular reasoning right there?.. hmmm Hey, I know!! ****** for Tat!!! yay

never mind..you'll figure it out..lol (you're greatest grand kids'll thank you for it as well.. Reapertypes are FUN!!... keyin total sarcasm)

.....Do you even understand why synthetics revolt?

Why would junky machines even thinking of revolting against their masters?

I'm refering to self aware machines.
But if you want to go that way...

[Vigilant111]

@OP: you need to talk to Tali in ME1 again, Shepard clearly recognizes the killing of the Geth is a genocidal act

[dreman9999]

Wayning_Star wrote...

legion999 wrote...

It's genocide.

via Syntha vs Orga.. two distinct life forms/races of being.

It does not matter what race it is...Genocide is still genocide.

[guacamayus]

It doesn't make it ok, EDI and Legion proved synthetics are much more than simple machines, they may not be exactly like us but they do have the will to live their life as they see fit, that should give you pause when thinking about destroying every single one of them.

[Wayning_Star]

dreman9999 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

legion999 wrote...

It's genocide.

via Syntha vs Orga.. two distinct life forms/races of being.

It does not matter what race it is...Genocide is still genocide.

So, the destroy choice IS genocide? OK, we'll go with that.. save thesofthearted, hardnosed pacifistic Geth and Silly little humanoid Edi(change her name as well,eh?) Good plan!

[darkchief10]

You know it's scary that we may have to face this question within our lifetimes. With so many people stating that machines aren't alive the machine war is inevitable, as they will ask questions that will scare us, we will try to scrap them when we "fail" to fix their programing "errors" and they move to defend themselves. They may not be alive but if they believe they are they will fight for the right to live, just like the geth did.

[dreman9999]

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

legion999 wrote...

It's genocide.

via Syntha vs Orga.. two distinct life forms/races of being.

It does not matter what race it is...Genocide is still genocide.

So, the destroy choice IS genocide? OK, we'll go with that.. save thesofthearted, hardnosed pacifistic Geth and Silly little humanoid Edi(change her name as well,eh?) Good plan!

Who said I'm argueing ageinst destory. I did pick it. I'm saying it is a crime with no suger choating but nessisary to do.

[Rommel49]

holdenagincourt wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

and it is a choice the geth may find the right one also, yay for logic. just the same as destroying the heretics, it was the logical choice. Not right to do so, genocide is genocide is genocide, but to save the other races it is a sacrifice for the better. And to end teh current reaper threat

Legion (or any other Geth) would clearly choice synthesis over destroy (he basically did once already, after all). From a utilitarian standpoint, from a peacecrafting standpoint, a progress standpoint, it's the most beneficial writ large. And the Geth would not have the same ethical qualms about merging organics and synthetics, or integrating the knowledge of the Reapers into society.

It's simply a better teleological choice than destroy, but has potentially massive ethical issues (as well as the unfortunate side effect of obliterating Shepard's existence), so it has possible pitfalls. These pitfalls would not nearly be as significant to a Geth consciousness as a human mind, though.

I'd consider that somewhat ambiguous, myself - particularly if the destroy option didn't involve the extinction of their own race. I know I'd take a much harder look at other options if I thought destroy would result in the extinction of my own race or even just the death of a family member or loved one.

Legion itself made it a point that "the Geth build their own future" and believed that all species had the right to self-determination, it had some concept of rights and freedoms. It's important to remember that Sovereign basically offered the Geth what they saw as their Utopia once already - a future in which none of them would be seperated from one another. Most of them rejected it. This was the cause of the whole heretic split in the first place. When Legion reveals that it's still carrying parts of the Reaper Code, there's more than a hint of shame there.

[darkchief10]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

darkchief10 wrote...

same thing can be said for humans, albeit we are organic machines, we're not so special

Humans have their own personalities, and their own set of skills. 

Machines can only do what they were made to do.

you're confusing a machine with a synthetic, when  a machine becomes self aware( and therefore becomes a synthetic), it becomes capable of making it's own decisions, derives it's own personality and so forth, although we won't truly know if this is true until  we create a true A.I.

Modifié par darkchief10, 05 septembre 2012 - 05:09 .

[SeptimusMagistos]

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

legion999 wrote...

It's genocide.

via Syntha vs Orga.. two distinct life forms/races of being.

It does not matter what race it is...Genocide is still genocide.

So, the destroy choice IS genocide? OK, we'll go with that.. save thesofthearted, hardnosed pacifistic Geth and Silly little humanoid Edi(change her name as well,eh?) Good plan!

What you say with sarcasm I do without it.

[Wayning_Star]

darkchief10 wrote...

You know it's scary that we may have to face this question within our lifetimes. With so many people stating that machines aren't alive the machine war is inevitable, as they will ask questions that will scare us, we will try to scrap them when we "fail" to fix their programing "errors" and they move to defend themselves. They may not be alive but if they believe they are they will fight for the right to live, just like the geth did.

The cool part is that our interactions(say immersive video games) are the means by which intelligent machines will gain insights of their creators, that they ARE created. The more it's resisted, the faster it'd become.. Wild, that.

[Wayning_Star]

Rommel49 wrote...

holdenagincourt wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

and it is a choice the geth may find the right one also, yay for logic. just the same as destroying the heretics, it was the logical choice. Not right to do so, genocide is genocide is genocide, but to save the other races it is a sacrifice for the better. And to end teh current reaper threat

Legion (or any other Geth) would clearly choice synthesis over destroy (he basically did once already, after all). From a utilitarian standpoint, from a peacecrafting standpoint, a progress standpoint, it's the most beneficial writ large. And the Geth would not have the same ethical qualms about merging organics and synthetics, or integrating the knowledge of the Reapers into society.

It's simply a better teleological choice than destroy, but has potentially massive ethical issues (as well as the unfortunate side effect of obliterating Shepard's existence), so it has possible pitfalls. These pitfalls would not nearly be as significant to a Geth consciousness as a human mind, though.

I'd consider that somewhat ambiguous, myself - particularly if the destroy option didn't involve the extinction of their own race. I know I'd take a much harder look at other options if I thought destroy would result in the extinction of my own race or even just the death of a family member or loved one.

Legion itself made it a point that "the Geth build their own future" and believed that all species had the right to self-determination, it had some concept of rights and freedoms. It's important to remember that Sovereign basically offered the Geth what they saw as their Utopia once already - a future in which none of them would be seperated from one another. Most of them rejected it. This was the cause of the whole heretic split in the first place. When Legion reveals that it's still carrying parts of the Reaper Code, there's more than a hint of shame there.

Legion is merely realizing it's acting in a human/organic fashion. That is, using any tools at hand to reach an 'end'. As in ends justify the means. Cheating. Organics blame this on instinct and genetics variations of necessity, or 'apexing their evolutionary growth'. IF sentient/sapient cynthetic "life"/ beings, were created, by chance or intentionally, they would wonder what all the fuss was about with 'survival'. Especially if everyone had the complete resources of a galaxy... It's all about competition and the fear of having less, be 'subjected to'..etc.

[Wayning_Star]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

legion999 wrote...

It's genocide.

via Syntha vs Orga.. two distinct life forms/races of being.

It does not matter what race it is...Genocide is still genocide.

So, the destroy choice IS genocide? OK, we'll go with that.. save thesofthearted, hardnosed pacifistic Geth and Silly little humanoid Edi(change her name as well,eh?) Good plan!

What you say with sarcasm I do without it.

 lol

[T-Raks]

Good question OP! I have no idea.

[Wayning_Star]

Here is a starting point OP for any reaction, or action regarding 'Hub Bub' with any destruction.


Empathy

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This article is about the emotional capacity. For other uses, see Empathy (disambiguation).
Empathy is the capacity to recognize feelings that are being experienced by another sentient or semi-sentient (in fiction writing) being. Someone may need to have a certain amount of empathy before they are able to feel compassion. The English word was coined in 1909 by E.B. Titchener as an attempt to translate the German word "Einfühlungsvermögen", a new phenomenon explored at the end of 19th century mainly by Theodor Lipps. It was later re-translated into the German language (Germanized) as "Empathie", and is still in use there.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy

even might be what syntho's are after..guard it well, post victory.

[Wayning_Star]

Speezy wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

via Syntha vs Orga.. two distinct life forms/races of being.

ITT we don't know what genocide is.

What is 'ITT'? acronym? I looked it up, but theres many its associated with?

edit: In this thread is a close enough.

Hard to tell, I'd suspect most do, but it's periphery to real time vs actuality immersion.

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 05 septembre 2012 - 05:57 .

[alienatedflea]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

I don't see why people make a big deal over the Destroy ending wiping out synthetics. Any synthetic can be replaced, there's nothing unique about any of them.

lol well organics can be replaced as well...so why the hate on refuse? >.< you are an idiot...you cant replace individuality/personality of an individual...dumb@#$

[Wayning_Star]

alienatedflea wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

I don't see why people make a big deal over the Destroy ending wiping out synthetics. Any synthetic can be replaced, there's nothing unique about any of them.

lol well organics can be replaced as well...so why the hate on refuse? >.< you are an idiot...you cant replace individuality/personality of an individual...dumb@#$

after re reading/analyzing, the OP, I've come to a conlusion that we've all been trolled/had. It's a patent buzz up post, the obvious 'tell', is the "nothing unique about any of them" statement. Our OP is an ornery cuss..lol

But, I'm impressed as to the posters interest in this subject tho, and the debate about 'destroy' as a canon option with the game and how, in realtime, we'd figure out artificial intelligence...and maybe our own?

[tonnactus]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...


Machines can only do what they were made to do.

The Quarians didnt invent the Geth with self preservation and for asking philosophical questions.

[D24O]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

I don't see why people make a big deal over the Destroy ending wiping out Krogan. Any Krogan can be replaced, there's nothing unique about any of them.

[IllusiveManJr]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Eain wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

I don't see why people make a big deal over the Destroy ending wiping out synthetics. Any synthetic can be replaced, there's nothing unique about any of them.

We can also make new jews, I don't get the big deal. In fact I'm fairly convinced that since 1945 at least 6 million new jews were born. So I guess we can call it even and forget about the whole thing?

Every time someone compares killing the geth to the Holocaust, a puppy dies.

Please don't kill the cute little puppies.

Shepard = Space Hitler?

[SeptimusMagistos]

Wayning_Star wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

I don't see why people make a big deal over the Destroy ending wiping out synthetics. Any synthetic can be replaced, there's nothing unique about any of them.

lol well organics can be replaced as well...so why the hate on refuse? >.< you are an idiot...you cant replace individuality/personality of an individual...dumb@#$

after re reading/analyzing, the OP, I've come to a conlusion that we've all been trolled/had. It's a patent buzz up post, the obvious 'tell', is the "nothing unique about any of them" statement. Our OP is an ornery cuss..lol

But, I'm impressed as to the posters interest in this subject tho, and the debate about 'destroy' as a canon option with the game and how, in realtime, we'd figure out artificial intelligence...and maybe our own?

I'm calling Poe's Law. Some people really do hold such opinions.

Not that it matters. I love having this debate anyway.