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[MichaelStuart]

Just a thought I had, playing as Demon that has possessed a willing (or unwilling) body.

[KiwiQuiche]

That would be quite interesting, though would you get to pick what kind of demon you would be? Or would you just be a Pride by default, since they are the strongest?

[MichaelStuart]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

That would be quite interesting, though would you get to pick what kind of demon you would be? Or would you just be a Pride by default, since they are the strongest?

I would say you pick the type of demon, and what demon you pick would give you different abilities.
I suppose reguardless of what demon you pick, it would have to be classed as somewhat uniquely intelligicent or cunning, as most demons seem to have this urge to rampage. 

[Lord Gremlin]

Hm, this could work. Although you either make it one of possible character, or just limit overall choice in game - demons are evil and care only about their own enjoyment and nothing else.
As of types, probably Pride demons are best - they tend to be the cunning one that keep host human/dwarf whatever-looking to trick others.

[Eternal Phoenix]

I wanna be a dragon!

[MichaelStuart]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Hm, this could work. Although you either make it one of possible character, or just limit overall choice in game - demons are evil and care only about their own enjoyment and nothing else.

Being evil and self centered, wouldn't be a problem for me.

[Lord Gremlin]

MichaelStuart wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Hm, this could work. Although you either make it one of possible character, or just limit overall choice in game - demons are evil and care only about their own enjoyment and nothing else.

Being evil and self centered, wouldn't be a problem for me.

Same here)

[FaWa]

But Human Noble was the most played Origin story !1!!1!!111!one!!11111

[Auintus]

Probably not the protagonist, but I wouldn't mind a companion like this.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Could be interesting enough in a Baten Kaitos-esque "the player is just the spirit guiding the protagonist, not the protagonist himself" kind of way, but I can't really see Bioware pulling this off well enough.

The player shouldn't start as a demon in this scenario, however; just a spirit or maybe an ambiguous fade presence would be preferable at first, with becoming a demon proper being the result of certain intentions (what would be the "dark side" path in other BW games).

I suppose that if we are to retain the current lack of player agency and significant dialogue options, I would personally actually prefer it if the DA team acknowledges as much and casts the player as more of a guide like this than pretend the protagonist is still our character. I'd find it much easier to be content with a backseat position like that than with another character like Hawke, whom you think you have some control over but eventually ends up doing the same frustrating stuff no matter how you play him.

It's not what I initially would've argued for, but after thinking about it for a bit, and looking at the direction the series is going, this might actually have some potential. The spirit could be silent as well, I guess, giving those wanting a silent protagonist what they want, while also giving the other side the ability to speak through the protagonist. Some (limited) body hopping could work as well, as would the ability to force your host into becoming an abomination in the "dark side" endgame. Forcing your will upon others paragon/renegade-style would actually make some in-universe sense like this as well, and it would be a good excuse to have the option to make the protagonist glow all blue or red like Anders did back in DAII.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 05 septembre 2012 - 01:57 .

[Thorwind]

With your idea, if I were Bioware anyway, I would take the Warden from the DAO and make it in such a way that he finds himself in the Fade as a shade/spirit/whatever/thingy.

He doesn't know why or how he got there, could be a number of reasons and none at all ( he went through the portal with Morigan / part of him remained in the Fade the first time he was there / or the old cliché: he died and some cosmic and/or demonic power found a use for him, etc).
Throw in what started in Kirkwall + one pinch of impending doom, mix it with real choices and consequences (I know, really hard that one) + the morality of possessing someone. Make it in such a way that your host isn't really happy of sharing his body so you have to battle for control with him and expand every thing with making every battle uncertain, as loosing control over the body in the middle of a battle or a tough choice.

Place it in Orlais/Tevinter add assassins and the inquisition/templars + Qunari for flavor and Voilà, you have a nice concept for a game set in the Dragon Age.

Would hit that a mile away.

EDIT: add Flemeth as a ''mentor'' whispering in your skull (much like Kreia did in KOTOR) and BAM! GOTY, CE preorder.

LEDIT: better yet, make your host the most horrific murderer that could exist, so when you do loose control there could be some nasty consequences and in battle he can go on a small rampage.

Modifié par Thorwind, 05 septembre 2012 - 02:35 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

FaWa wrote...

But Human Noble was the most played Origin story !1!!1!!111!one!!11111

STFU

I. WANT. TO BE. A DRAGON!!!!!!

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 05 septembre 2012 - 03:28 .

[eroeru]

I WANT TO BE A DRAGON.

[Thorwind]

Elton John is dead wrote...

FaWa wrote...

But Human Noble was the most played Origin story !1!!1!!111!one!!11111

STFU

I. WANT. TO BE. A DRAGON!!!!!!

go the Larian way 

[MichaelStuart]

Elton John is dead wrote...

FaWa wrote...

But Human Noble was the most played Origin story !1!!1!!111!one!!11111

STFU

I. WANT. TO BE. A DRAGON!!!!!!

How about a Demon Dragon?

[Kaiser Shepard]

MichaelStuart wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

FaWa wrote...

But Human Noble was the most played Origin story !1!!1!!111!one!!11111

STFU

I. WANT. TO BE. A DRAGON!!!!!!

How about a Demon Dragon?

Flemeth the Desire Dragon?

Awww yeah~

[Uccio]

Not a demon as pc. But, I was thinking how cool it would be to be able to let your pc to be possessed (partially) so that you would gain some powers/abilities, and from time to time you would have to mind wrestle the demon of the control of your body. How cool it would be if the pc would blurt out something because of the demon in one of the cutscenes unintentionally.

- (PC) I don´t like your decision.
- (Demon) I will kill you all!!! (through your mouth)
- (NPC) What?!
- (PC) nothing, nevermind.

[BatmanPWNS]

Nyoka wrote...

Demons are single minded and ultimately dull on their own. The inhabitants of the meatworld are far more interesting.

They could play the usual cliche story of amnesia so the demon will have no idea what he truly is.

[Auintus]

Nyoka wrote...

Demons are single minded and ultimately dull on their own. The inhabitants of the meatworld are far more interesting.

For the most part you are correct. Rage demons, for example, no personality whatsoever.
The desire demon in the circle and Mouse, on the other hand, show human level intelligence and complexity.

[Melca36]

Would not buy and they would NEVER do that. They want the game to sell after all.

[MichaelStuart]

Auintus wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Demons are single minded and ultimately dull on their own. The inhabitants of the meatworld are far more interesting.

For the most part you are correct. Rage demons, for example, no personality whatsoever.

What about the Rage demon from the quest Something Wicked? That one seem pretty intelligence. 
I think if learned anything about the inhabitants of the fade is that they are alot more complexed then we expect, or at lest capable of being complex.

Also, don't all role playing protagonists start out as simple untill we give then personality.
With a demon protagonist, getting a personality would just be more of a plot point.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Depending how much freedom they give the player in crafting the demon's motives, this could work.

[Heimdall]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Could be interesting enough in a Baten Kaitos-esque "the player is just the spirit guiding the protagonist, not the protagonist himself" kind of way, but I can't really see Bioware pulling this off well enough.

The player shouldn't start as a demon in this scenario, however; just a spirit or maybe an ambiguous fade presence would be preferable at first, with becoming a demon proper being the result of certain intentions (what would be the "dark side" path in other BW games).

I suppose that if we are to retain the current lack of player agency and significant dialogue options, I would personally actually prefer it if the DA team acknowledges as much and casts the player as more of a guide like this than pretend the protagonist is still our character. I'd find it much easier to be content with a backseat position like that than with another character like Hawke, whom you think you have some control over but eventually ends up doing the same frustrating stuff no matter how you play him.

It's not what I initially would've argued for, but after thinking about it for a bit, and looking at the direction the series is going, this might actually have some potential. The spirit could be silent as well, I guess, giving those wanting a silent protagonist what they want, while also giving the other side the ability to speak through the protagonist. Some (limited) body hopping could work as well, as would the ability to force your host into becoming an abomination in the "dark side" endgame. Forcing your will upon others paragon/renegade-style would actually make some in-universe sense like this as well, and it would be a good excuse to have the option to make the protagonist glow all blue or red like Anders did back in DAII.

Huh, that was actually one of the few things I liked about that game.  It gave me the feeling of creating my own character while actually having a set protagonist.  A sort of morality bar, tracking whether one is behaving as a spirit or an outright demon would actually make sense in this case.  Though hopefully the protagonist would not be forced to be a Mage.

[Bfler]

I think, if they are after high sales, the first option in case of a demon would be something shaped like a Succubus.