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[Rockworm503]

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Modifié par Ninja Stan, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:58 .

[fchopin]

carine wrote...

Actually, if you download the EC you don't need MP at all. It's super easy to get the Shepard lives ending without it now.

You are mistaken, you still can not get the best ending unless you upload a previous save from ME2. If you play a new game from ME3 you will not have the required amount of points.

[Dragoonlordz]

fchopin wrote...

carine wrote...

Actually, if you download the EC you don't need MP at all. It's super easy to get the Shepard lives ending without it now.

You are mistaken, you still can not get the best ending unless you upload a previous save from ME2. If you play a new game from ME3 you will not have the required amount of points.

Pfftt.. Gibbed save game editor on PC version (can even do it on 360 version). Few clicks with only one asset you can have thousands of points.

[fchopin]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

fchopin wrote...

carine wrote...

Actually, if you download the EC you don't need MP at all. It's super easy to get the Shepard lives ending without it now.

You are mistaken, you still can not get the best ending unless you upload a previous save from ME2. If you play a new game from ME3 you will not have the required amount of points.

Pfftt.. Gibbed save game editor on PC version (can even do it on 360 version). Few clicks with only one asset you can have thousands of points.

And how does that invalidate my point?

[Jamie9]

Dragon Age III will have MP. EA won't greenlight it unless it does.

Fortunately, I don't care. I play Dragon Age for the story, so I'm looking forward to the single player.

[Dragoonlordz]

fchopin wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

fchopin wrote...

carine wrote...

Actually, if you download the EC you don't need MP at all. It's super easy to get the Shepard lives ending without it now.

You are mistaken, you still can not get the best ending unless you upload a previous save from ME2. If you play a new game from ME3 you will not have the required amount of points.

Pfftt.. Gibbed save game editor on PC version (can even do it on 360 version). Few clicks with only one asset you can have thousands of points.

And how does that invalidate my point?

It wasn't intended to do so. It was humour. Sarcastic humour yes but a joke all the same.

[King Cousland]

fchopin wrote...

carine wrote...

Actually, if you download the EC you don't need MP at all. It's super easy to get the Shepard lives ending without it now.

You are mistaken, you still can not get the best ending unless you upload a previous save from ME2. If you play a new game from ME3 you will not have the required amount of points.

What's the problem with this? Why shouldn't those who have experienced the story and fought the fight for more than just one game be given acces to something extra? If you want the best results, you have to work for them, they aren't handed to you on a plate. 

[jillabender]

Emzamination wrote…

I for one am glad they've started implementing online passes as it shuts down the 'Bargain bin' talk. I'm also glad they took the mod tools people were using to bootleg dlc, forcing them to pay for it as it should be.I hope to see more micro transactions,Online passes,Orgin,Digital Dlc and restrictions implemented in games to come as it helps flush the unloyal away.

Are you suggesting that modders have used the toolset to recreate paid DLC campaigns, like Golems of Amgarrak for example, so that people could avoid paying for them? If so, do you have any evidence of that? Because I've never come across anything of the kind.

I suppose someone could use the toolset to create items with stats identical to DLC items, but there's no way I know of to get the unique models for items like the Blood Dragon Armour without acquiring those items through BioWare. There are mods available that change the appearance or stats of DLC items like the Blood Dragon Armour and King Cailan's Armour, but players can't use those mods unless they own the DLC.

People who use the toolset to create their own custom items, or who use it to alter DLC items (for example, by creating a mod that alters the appearance of the Blood Dragon Armour, or the stats of King Cailan's armour) aren't "bootlegging" or doing anything wrong – they're just using the toolset the way it was meant to be used. BioWare gave them the tools to create their own custom items, and to tweak in-game items, and they did.

You argued once before that giving players the ability to create their own custom items might make it harder for BioWare to make money from item pack DLC. If BioWare are truly concerned about that, it's their call. But I've never heard anyone from BioWare suggest that they're worried about player-created mods hurting DLC sales.

As I recall, BioWare have stated that they didn't release a toolset for DA2 partly because they don't own the rights to all of the tools that they used to create DA2. I've never heard anything from BioWare to suggest they didn't include a toolset because they were concerned about "bootlegging."

There are many, many kinds of mods out there – mods that add new companion characters or new quests, mods that fix bugs in dialogue or combat mechanics, and mods that add more cosmetic options for the character creator.

I don't intend any personal offense or insult toward you, and I certainly understand that BioWare isn't obligated to provide a toolset. But as someone who respects the time and effort that people in the modding community put into creating mods for other players to enjoy, I can't help but feel frustrated that you seem to be making baseless accusations against the modding community.

Modifié par jillabender, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:08 .

[The_11thDoctor]

Here we go...archaic people crying about interaction with other humans... again... did we really need another crying thread? With so many great examples of RPGs with MP and Co-Op, is this still an issue in 2012?!

[brushyourteeth]

My only concern with multiplayer is that it may be a feature that pools developer resources into something I'm personally only mildly interested in. If the single player turns out great, multiplayer will just be a bonus I hardly use. If the game is rushed or feels incomplete, multiplayer won't do anything to salvage it for me. Though for the record, I have high hopes.

[devSin]

fchopin wrote...

You are mistaken, you still can not get the best ending unless you upload a previous save from ME2. If you play a new game from ME3 you will not have the required amount of points.

Yeah, this situation was the real bullcrap. I think they added several hundred assets with Leviathan, so I imagine it eventually will be possible even without an import as long as you have all the DLC (though I frankly don't trust them enough anymore to believe that this isn't what they had planned all along).

But it's not something Mark or Mike would ever do. I'm not worried at all.

Modifié par devSin, 07 septembre 2012 - 04:06 .

[nightscrawl]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Really, I was just curious as to whether Mike or Mark said some new information regarding the prospect of MP that I was unaware of, seeing as how at... PAX -- or some other panel that had you, Mike, Mark, that artist guy (can't recall his name), and Jessice Merizan IIRC answering questions from the fans -- Mike said if it was going to be done, not that it was going to be done.

I quoted the relevant Mike Laidlaw response in my post on p6 of this thread. If you go here and do a search (using your browser's find feature) for "Baldur's Gate" you'll run across it.

There was also a specific question about the possibility of an MMO...

Q: I have a couple of questions for you. First off, when you say you're going to a French place, are you talking about Quebec?

A Mike: The poutine is delicious!

A Mark: They have cheese curds.

Q: And the serious question is have you ever considered making, turning Dragon Age into an MMO, like how you turned The Old Republic into an MMO? (dissent from the audience)

A Mark: Wow, you might need to run!

A Mike: OK, we should write this down: co-op good, MMO bad.

Q: I'm asking because you have the whole world fleshed out and sometimes it would be nice to experience it with other people...

A Mark: Certainly, in the future, some day, an MMO wouldn't be outside the cards, but it would never replace a core line of storytelling games. So it would become a supplementary product if we did it, and there are no current plans to do that at the moment.

[Brockololly]

Emzamination wrote...
The pass is there to teach the gamers who hurt sales when they spammed bad reviews about da2 on metacritic, attacked EA stock and attempted to get ToR shut down by closing accounts a lesson in not biting the hand who feeds them their entertainment.It's also there to cork the loud mouths who frolicked across this forum disrespectfully boasting about how they were going to pay <10 for Da2 because that's all it was worth in their eyes.

I for one am glad they've started implementing online passes as it shuts down the 'Bargain bin' talk.I'm also glad they took the mod tools people were using to bootleg dlc, forcing them to pay for it as it should be.I hope to see more micro transactions,Online passes,Orgin,Digital Dlc and restrictions implemented in games to come as it helps flush the unloyal away.

I love when EA flexes its power and puts nay sayers in line

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Tell me you're joking, right? EA "flexing its power" isn't going to put "naysayers in line" it'll drive naysayers away.  And a naysayer's money is as good as somebody who worships at the altar of EA.

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:59 .

[Kulyok]

I don't play multiplayer and likely never will, but I enjoyed single-player component of games like ME3 well enough, so I don't think it's a huge problem. However, if we take ME3 as an example, I am rather upset by the "single player DLCs"/"multiplayer DLCs" ratio - to me, as a single-player fan, it feels like there're too many multiplayer DLCs and not enough single-player ones. Not so for DA3, I hope.

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...


Tell me you're joking, right? EA "flexing its power" isn't going to put "naysayers in line" it'll drive naysayers away.  And a naysayer's money is as good as somebody who worships at the altar of EA.

Hardly, if the result of having the naysayers' money is losing a dozen other customers because of naysayers campaign of badmouthing, then it's not worth it. In fact, it's a bigger loss than not having the naysayers in the first place.

And it makes sense for EA to do so. If you truly dislike someone or their product so much that you can't stop talking crap about it, then you really shouldn't have anything to do with them in the first place. 

Unless, you're in denial or a masochist..

[vania z]

Well, NWN had very good multiplayer. But that was because it had excellent creation kit.

[Rylor Tormtor]

King Cousland wrote...

fchopin wrote...

carine wrote...

Actually, if you download the EC you don't need MP at all. It's super easy to get the Shepard lives ending without it now.

You are mistaken, you still can not get the best ending unless you upload a previous save from ME2. If you play a new game from ME3 you will not have the required amount of points.

What's the problem with this? Why shouldn't those who have experienced the story and fought the fight for more than just one game be given acces to something extra? If you want the best results, you have to work for them, they aren't handed to you on a plate. 

No, they aren't handed to you on a plate. You paid 60 bucks (or whatever equivelent currency). This isn't an e-sport, this isn't an MMO. 

If I want to play a game on casual and get the best most awesome results then I should. I paid for it. That's what I purchased. If I want to play on nightmare and endure poor balance and poor design choices and enjoy the pain with a fiendish grin as I overcome hordes of magically spawning schlubs, then I should. That's what I purchased.

That's the problem with this. Requirements of particpating in multi-player or playing sequels should never be made mandatory. If I buy a single player game, I want to be able to play it wholely and distinctly if I SO CHOOSE (which is among the many reasons why I didn't buy or play ME3).

EDIT: Damnedable trailing prepositions. 

Modifié par Rylor Tormtor, 07 septembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[fchopin]

King Cousland wrote...

fchopin wrote...

carine wrote...

Actually, if you download the EC you don't need MP at all. It's super easy to get the Shepard lives ending without it now.

You are mistaken, you still can not get the best ending unless you upload a previous save from ME2. If you play a new game from ME3 you will not have the required amount of points.

What's the problem with this? Why shouldn't those who have experienced the story and fought the fight for more than just one game be given acces to something extra? If you want the best results, you have to work for them, they aren't handed to you on a plate. 

The problem with this is that Bioware advertised the game by saying that we would not need MP to get the best ending.
 
If they said that you can get the best ending if you upload a previous save that would be different.

[ElitePinecone]

David Gaider wrote...
And both Mike and Mark have also spoken several times about their intention to have some form of multiplayer in the DA franchise, if not details as to what form it will take.

Interesting, I hadn't read this until now...

[TheJediSaint]

With all this talk of DA3 mulitplayer and cake, I have a humble request. DA3 should have some form of competitive multiplayer baking gameplay, with Sten judging the whose cake is the best.

[King Cousland]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

fchopin wrote...

carine wrote...

Actually, if you download the EC you don't need MP at all. It's super easy to get the Shepard lives ending without it now.

You are mistaken, you still can not get the best ending unless you upload a previous save from ME2. If you play a new game from ME3 you will not have the required amount of points.

What's the problem with this? Why shouldn't those who have experienced the story and fought the fight for more than just one game be given acces to something extra? If you want the best results, you have to work for them, they aren't handed to you on a plate. 

No, they aren't handed to you on a plate. You paid 60 bucks (or whatever equivelent currency). This isn't an e-sport, this isn't an MMO. 

If I want to play a game on casual and get the best most awesome results then I should. I paid for it. That's what I purchased. If I want to play on nightmare and endure poor balance and poor design choices and enjoy the pain with a fiendish grin as I overcome hordes of magically spawning schlubs, then I should. That's what I purchased.

That's the problem with this. Requirements of particpating in multi-player or playing sequels should never be made mandatory. If I buy a single player game, I want to be able to play it wholely and distinctly if I SO CHOOSE (which is among the many reasons why I didn't buy or play ME3).

EDIT: Damnedable trailing prepositions. 

You're forgetting that people also paid $60 for ME2. Should they be pushed aside when they've paid potentially over $120? If we could all get the best ending in anything many wouldn't bother playing previous installments. 

fchopin wrote...
The problem with this is that Bioware advertised the game by saying that we would not need MP to get the best ending.
 
If they said that you can get the best ending if you upload a previous save that would be different.

 

But that isn't your argument. You simply said that you could get the best ending only if you imported a save (following the release of the EC). While that may be true, I'm simply saying that I don't have a problem with it. But we're getting off-topic anyway. 

[FedericoV]

Emzamination wrote...

The pass is there to teach the gamers who hurt sales when they spammed bad reviews about da2 on metacritic, attacked EA stock and attempted to get ToR shut down by closing accounts a lesson in not biting the hand who feeds them their entertainment.It's also there to cork the loud mouths who frolicked across this forum disrespectfully boasting about how they were going to pay <10 for Da2 because that's all it was worth in their eyes.

I for one am glad they've started implementing online passes as it shuts down the 'Bargain bin' talk.I'm also glad they took the mod tools people were using to bootleg dlc, forcing them to pay for it as it should be.I hope to see more micro transactions,Online passes,Orgin,Digital Dlc and restrictions implemented in games to come as it helps flush the unloyal away.

I love when EA flexes its power and puts nay sayers in line

Hilarious. That was a great piece of art (if ME3 is art, your post is art, 'right?). I can understand a company that tries to squeeze money from their customers. I don't like it, but even a child can understand it off course. But gamers who supports those restrictive and ultra-consumistic policies and actually defend them? That's incredible. I will never get it. Maybe I'm just an intollerant **** but I will never get it. It hurts my brain like the "button & awesome" video.

[Uccio]

Master Shiori wrote...

Brockololly wrote...


Tell me you're joking, right? EA "flexing its power" isn't going to put "naysayers in line" it'll drive naysayers away.  And a naysayer's money is as good as somebody who worships at the altar of EA.

Hardly, if the result of having the naysayers' money is losing a dozen other customers because of naysayers campaign of badmouthing, then it's not worth it. In fact, it's a bigger loss than not having the naysayers in the first place.

And it makes sense for EA to do so. If you truly dislike someone or their product so much that you can't stop talking crap about it, then you really shouldn't have anything to do with them in the first place. 

Unless, you're in denial or a masochist..

Haha! You do realize we are paying customers who can complain when the quality of the product is not par with the standard expected from the manufacturer?  If you buy a Mercedes would you complain when opening the hood you would notice that the engine is -65 WV beetle´s engine? By your standards no, right?!

Modifié par Ukki, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:01 .