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[Emzamination]

Korusus wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Every thing EA does is well justified, I assure you.

You do realize that EA will kill-off BioWare the second they no longer turn a big enough profit, that that day will be sooner rather than later due to BioWare's recent trend of bad decisions across the board at all three studios, and that EA doesn't care about you or your loyalty.

That's where you're wrong.Bioware has turned a massive profit on every game they released to date including Da2 and Me3.Bioware is the starchild of EA, so much in fact the company entrusted them solely with designing the hugely successful ToR.It also slaps the bioware name on almost all its newly aquired Dev studios.If that's not enough Muzyka is a Vp at Ea and he would never allow his brain child to die

You need to read this from a Dev who thought Ea was evil before he came to really know them

muzyka is a VP at Ea and he would never allow his brainchild to die

[brushyourteeth]

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[Emzamination]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Wrong, this forum is set up for people who like bioware games to discuss them and contribute feedback postive or negative in a constructive manner so the team can make improvements as necessary.It is not set up so people can badmouth the company who flips the bill for server bandwidth's business practices in their own house.I should hope we don't have to get into a discussion about what defines feedback. {smilie}

Show me where it says this social network is set up exclusively for useful feedback? I've not seen that anywhere. The very name, 'Social Network', counters your claim. This is a place for people to interact. The 'Fan Creations' sections prove me right and you wrong.

Right you are pardner

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You might also want to check Rules of Conduct 1 and 4

[The Elder King]

Emzamination wrote...



That's where you're wrong.Bioware has turned a massive profit on every game they released to date including Da2 and Me3.Bioware is the starchild of EA, so much in fact the company entrusted them solely with designing the hugely successful ToR.It also slaps the bioware name on almost all its newly aquired Dev studios.If that's not enough Muzyka is a Vp at Ea and he would never allow his brain child to die

You need to read this from a Dev who thought Ea was evil before he came to really know them

muzyka is a VP at Ea and he would never allow his brainchild to die

You're exxagerating the success of Bioware games.
I think that DA2 and ME3 made profit, but I fdon't know if they made "massive" profits, expecially compared to other EA games.
And I may don't know much about TOW, but I remember reading articles stating that TOR was losing a lot of players, and Bioware will add a free mode. I don't think it could be defined as "hugely successfull".
The fact that Myzuka is a VP at EA doesn't mean that Bioware is safe. It depends on the success of their games.

[Emzamination]

hhh89 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...



That's where you're wrong.Bioware has turned a massive profit on every game they released to date including Da2 and Me3.Bioware is the starchild of EA, so much in fact the company entrusted them solely with designing the hugely successful ToR.It also slaps the bioware name on almost all its newly aquired Dev studios.If that's not enough Muzyka is a Vp at Ea and he would never allow his brain child to die

You need to read this from a Dev who thought Ea was evil before he came to really know them

muzyka is a VP at Ea and he would never allow his brainchild to die

You're exxagerating the success of Bioware games.
I think that DA2 and ME3 made profit, but I fdon't know if they made "massive" profits, expecially compared to other EA games.
And I may don't know much about TOW, but I remember reading articles stating that TOR was losing a lot of players, and Bioware will add a free mode. I don't think it could be defined as "hugely successfull".
The fact that Myzuka is a VP at EA doesn't mean that Bioware is safe. It depends on the success of their games.

What do you mean hhh?

Dragon age 2 sales

Mass effect 3 sales + me3 is still generating revenue from MP

ToR current sales

ToR is a global Mmorpg with its reign stretching all the way to china.

Modifié par Emzamination, 07 septembre 2012 - 05:51 .

[King Cousland]

Emzamination wrote...

Korusus wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Every thing EA does is well justified, I assure you.

You do realize that EA will kill-off BioWare the second they no longer turn a big enough profit, that that day will be sooner rather than later due to BioWare's recent trend of bad decisions across the board at all three studios, and that EA doesn't care about you or your loyalty.

That's where you're wrong.Bioware has turned a massive profit on every game they released to date including Da2 and Me3.Bioware is the starchild of EA, so much in fact the company entrusted them solely with designing the hugely successful ToR.It also slaps the bioware name on almost all its newly aquired Dev studios.If that's not enough Muzyka is a Vp at Ea and he would never allow his brain child to die

You need to read this from a Dev who thought Ea was evil before he came to really know them

muzyka is a VP at Ea and he would never allow his brainchild to die

I wouldn't say DA II turned a massive profit. It's sales were certainly adequate when it's estimated production costs are taken into account, but it sold below expected levels IIRC.  

ToR, on the other hand is a sinking ship which is hemorrhaging money despite it's initial success. Staff are being layed off left, right and centre, and paid subscribers are dropping like flies. 

Modifié par King Cousland, 07 septembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[Renmiri1]

Feh, let accountants worry about BW profit.

All I care is getting good games. DA3 has good potential so I'm happy

[The Elder King]

Emzamination wrote...


What do you mean hhh?

Dragon age 2 sales

Mass effect 3 sales + me3 is still generating revenue from MP

ToR current sales

ToR is a global Mmorpg with its reign stretching all the way to china.

DA2 sold 2 around 2 million copies, ME3 around 3,5 million copies. They made good profit (ME3 more than DA2, considering that DAO sold more than 4 million copies) but they didn't make "massive" profits. Skyrim, Halo, GOW, FIFA, COD are games that sold a lot more. With the exception of Skyirm, they're not games of the same genre, but you were talking about profits in general.
TOR sol over 2 million copies. But I don't know if for a MMORPG is good or bad. What I know is that TOR's subscriptions dropped a lot, and that there were less than a 1million subscriptions at one point. I don't think this is bad, but it certainly isn't a huge success, expecially considering how much TOR cost to develop

[LolaLei]

Actually BrotherWarth, I find you to be an insufferable dick too. Pretty sure myself and Avejajed aren't the only ones who think that.

... As for crying at parties? Unlikely, truth be told I'd say we'd be more inclined to kick you in the head, dear.

Modifié par LolaLei, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:05 .

[schalafi]

I feel a lockdown coming any minute now.

[LolaLei]

BrotherWarth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Actually BrotherWarth, I find you to be an insufferable dick too. Pretty sure myself and Avejajed aren't the only ones who think that.

... As for crying at parties? Unlikely, truth be told I'd say we'd be more inclined to kick you in the head, dear.

Y'Okay. Sure is internet tough guy in here.

Girl actually. I guess your personality is rubbing off on me eh! 

[Emzamination]

syllogi wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

jillabender wrote...

Emzamination wrote…

I for one am glad they've started implementing online passes as it shuts down the 'Bargain bin' talk. I'm also glad they took the mod tools people were using to bootleg dlc, forcing them to pay for it as it should be.I hope to see more micro transactions,Online passes,Orgin,Digital Dlc and restrictions implemented in games to come as it helps flush the unloyal away.

Are you suggesting that modders have used the toolset to recreate paid DLC campaigns, like Golems of Amgarrak for example, so that people could avoid paying for them? If so, do you have any evidence of that? Because I've never come across anything of the kind.

I suppose someone could use the toolset to create items with stats identical to DLC items, but there's no way I know of to get the unique models for items like the Blood Dragon Armour without acquiring those items through BioWare. There are mods available that change the appearance or stats of DLC items like the Blood Dragon Armour and King Cailan's Armour, but players can't use those mods unless they own the DLC.

People who use the toolset to create their own custom items, or who use it to alter DLC items (for example, by creating a mod that alters the appearance of the Blood Dragon Armour, or the stats of King Cailan's armour) aren't "bootlegging" or doing anything wrong – they're just using the toolset the way it was meant to be used. BioWare gave them the tools to create their own custom items, and to tweak in-game items, and they did.

You argued once before that giving players the ability to create their own custom items might make it harder for BioWare to make money from item pack DLC. If BioWare are truly concerned about that, it's their call. But I've never heard anyone from BioWare suggest that they're worried about player-created mods hurting DLC sales.

As I recall, BioWare have stated that they didn't release a toolset for DA2 partly because they don't own the rights to all of the tools that they used to create DA2. I've never heard anything from BioWare to suggest they didn't include a toolset because they were concerned about "bootlegging."

There are many, many kinds of mods out there – mods that add new companion characters or new quests, mods that fix bugs in dialogue or combat mechanics, and mods that add more cosmetic options for the character creator.

I don't intend any personal offense or insult toward you, and I certainly understand that BioWare isn't obligated to provide a toolset. But as someone who respects the time and effort that people in the modding community put into creating mods for other players to enjoy, I can't help but feel frustrated that you seem to be making baseless accusations against the modding community.

Jill I'm surprised, I never make Acusations unless I can back them up

Here is your proof of modders using the toolset to replicate Dlc items

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The King Cailan armor is not technically using the toolset to replicate DLC exclusive items, because the armor model and texture was already in the game as Orlesian plate.  All the modder did was recolor it gold and gave it new stats.  There are no rules against recoloring/retexturing existing ingame items.  Even without the toolset, plenty of people do this for DA2, and I don't think Bioware objects.

As for the Blood Dragon Armor and Warden's Keep armor, are you actually sure that those mods can be used without the original files?  I can't test it at the moment, but I know that DLC specific mods I've seen in the past are not able to be used without owning the DLC.  

Saying that the toolset should be eliminated just because it can be misused is a terrible argument anyway, because it's assuming the worst about the community.  The majority of modders are passionate, creative, and loyal fans, and they don't deserve to be accused of theft simply because they want to use their skills and creativity to increase the enjoyment of a game.  If you see mods that are definitely taking resources from DLC (without making the mod DLC dependent), you can always contact the mod site owners, and the file will usually be taken down pretty quickly.  If they don't, you can send an email to EA about the infringement.  Penalizing all modders for the misdeeds of a few is not the answer, and it's pretty insulting of you to claim so.

I'm sorry syllogi, I didn't see your post.I appologize if I offended you or any other modder using the toolset for your own enjoyment, this certainly wasn't my intention.

[Emzamination]

Avejajed wrote...

You're right. I'm clearly out of line here. How dare I wish that people who hate Dragon Age and refuse to support them stay off the Dragon Age forum. I'm such a dick.

As for you, I think you're the most hateful, meanest bully I've ever seen on this forum. You have never once expressed yourself in a kind or conversational way. You are rude, condescending, and I am not the only person who notices it. I'm certainly not the only person to feel that way or even to comment on it. Others are better than I am, because they choose to be mature enough to ignore it. You tear people down and tirade to make yourself feel powerful and important. So congrats, you've driven off another forumite who can't stand to be around your hatemongering.

Avejajed you don't have to leave because of one grumpy user.Just endure,redirect and keep going

[Emzamination]

King Cousland wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Korusus wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Every thing EA does is well justified, I assure you.

You do realize that EA will kill-off BioWare the second they no longer turn a big enough profit, that that day will be sooner rather than later due to BioWare's recent trend of bad decisions across the board at all three studios, and that EA doesn't care about you or your loyalty.

That's where you're wrong.Bioware has turned a massive profit on every game they released to date including Da2 and Me3.Bioware is the starchild of EA, so much in fact the company entrusted them solely with designing the hugely successful ToR.It also slaps the bioware name on almost all its newly aquired Dev studios.If that's not enough Muzyka is a Vp at Ea and he would never allow his brain child to die

You need to read this from a Dev who thought Ea was evil before he came to really know them

muzyka is a VP at Ea and he would never allow his brainchild to die

I wouldn't say DA II turned a massive profit. It's sales were certainly adequate when it's estimated production costs are taken into account, but it sold below expected levels IIRC.  

ToR, on the other hand is a sinking ship which is hemorrhaging money despite it's initial success. Staff are being layed off left, right and centre, and paid subscribers are dropping like flies. 

Really? I hadn't heard

[Fast Jimmy]

^
Hadn't you heard? It was my understanding that everyone had heard.

There was a certain ornathological piece I was expecting to see. A certain news segment of the avian variety.


Also, to get a little bit more on topic... Can someone from Bioware (or at least one of the mods or the OP) change the typo in this topic thread? It's beginning to burn my eyes.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:28 .

[Cirram55]

Emzamination wrote...
Really? I hadn't heard

In May, subscribers were somewhere around 700.000. Which is pretty bad, considering this number may have significantly dropped by now.

[LolaLei]

BrotherWarth: I wouldn't call it unsubstantiated at all. You're infuriating enough to make me want to inflict pain upon you lol. Besides, you've dedicated pages to acting like "the big man" in this thread, figured I'd just take a leaf out of your book.

[jillabender]

syllogi wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

jillabender wrote...

Emzamination wrote…

I for one am glad they've started implementing online passes as it shuts down the 'Bargain bin' talk. I'm also glad they took the mod tools people were using to bootleg dlc, forcing them to pay for it as it should be.I hope to see more micro transactions,Online passes,Orgin,Digital Dlc and restrictions implemented in games to come as it helps flush the unloyal away.

Are you suggesting that modders have used the toolset to recreate paid DLC campaigns, like Golems of Amgarrak for example, so that people could avoid paying for them? If so, do you have any evidence of that? Because I've never come across anything of the kind.

I suppose someone could use the toolset to create items with stats identical to DLC items, but there's no way I know of to get the unique models for items like the Blood Dragon Armour without acquiring those items through BioWare. There are mods available that change the appearance or stats of DLC items like the Blood Dragon Armour and King Cailan's Armour, but players can't use those mods unless they own the DLC.

People who use the toolset to create their own custom items, or who use it to alter DLC items (for example, by creating a mod that alters the appearance of the Blood Dragon Armour, or the stats of King Cailan's armour) aren't "bootlegging" or doing anything wrong – they're just using the toolset the way it was meant to be used. BioWare gave them the tools to create their own custom items, and to tweak in-game items, and they did.

You argued once before that giving players the ability to create their own custom items might make it harder for BioWare to make money from item pack DLC. If BioWare are truly concerned about that, it's their call. But I've never heard anyone from BioWare suggest that they're worried about player-created mods hurting DLC sales.

As I recall, BioWare have stated that they didn't release a toolset for DA2 partly because they don't own the rights to all of the tools that they used to create DA2. I've never heard anything from BioWare to suggest they didn't include a toolset because they were concerned about "bootlegging."

There are many, many kinds of mods out there – mods that add new companion characters or new quests, mods that fix bugs in dialogue or combat mechanics, and mods that add more cosmetic options for the character creator.

I don't intend any personal offense or insult toward you, and I certainly understand that BioWare isn't obligated to provide a toolset. But as someone who respects the time and effort that people in the modding community put into creating mods for other players to enjoy, I can't help but feel frustrated that you seem to be making baseless accusations against the modding community.

Jill I'm surprised, I never make Acusations unless I can back them up

Here is your proof of modders using the toolset to replicate Dlc items

Source

Source

Source

Source

The King Cailan armor is not technically using the toolset to replicate DLC exclusive items, because the armor model and texture was already in the game as Orlesian plate.  All the modder did was recolor it gold and gave it new stats.  There are no rules against recoloring/retexturing existing ingame items.  Even without the toolset, plenty of people do this for DA2, and I don't think Bioware objects.

As for the Blood Dragon Armor and Warden's Keep armor, are you actually sure that those mods can be used without the original files?  I can't test it at the moment, but I know that DLC specific mods I've seen in the past are not able to be used without owning the DLC.  

Saying that the toolset should be eliminated just because it can be misused is a terrible argument anyway, because it's assuming the worst about the community.  The majority of modders are passionate, creative, and loyal fans, and they don't deserve to be accused of theft simply because they want to use their skills and creativity to increase the enjoyment of a game.  If you see mods that are definitely taking resources from DLC (without making the mod DLC dependent), you can always contact the mod site owners, and the file will usually be taken down pretty quickly.  If they don't, you can send an email to EA about the infringement.  Penalizing all modders for the misdeeds of a few is not the answer, and it's pretty insulting of you to claim so.

Thank you Syllogi - that's exactly what I was saying. Mods that simply alter DLC specific items for those who already own the DLC are not infringement in any way.

If a mod did use resources from DLC without making the mod DLC dependent, then yes, it should be reported as infringement.

But to say that the toolset absolutely should not be available to anyone because someone might misuse it is, as you said, assuming the worst about the modding community, and that's what I was objecting to.

Modifié par jillabender, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:59 .

[Lord_Valandil]

Some of the posts on this thread are pure comedy gold.
I don't even know what to think anymore.