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[Iakus]

 ALl I gotta say is, if DA3 has multiplayer of any kind, it's at a minimum a six month wait before buying for me.  More likely I won't buy it at all or get it used.  

I very nearly didn't get ME3 after it was leaked it would have multiplayer.  And I bitterly wish I went with my first instinct then.  Won't be fooled again.

[Nomen Mendax]

iakus wrote...

 ALl I gotta say is, if DA3 has multiplayer of any kind, it's at a minimum a six month wait before buying for me.  More likely I won't buy it at all or get it used.  

I very nearly didn't get ME3 after it was leaked it would have multiplayer.  And I bitterly wish I went with my first instinct then.  Won't be fooled again.

Why?  I'm not a huge fan of ME3 SP for reasons too irrelevant to get into right now, but I don't see MP as having anything to do with the SP problems.  I realize that having to play MP to get one of the endings irritated some people, but given that fixing it involved playing MP for about half an hour I don't see that as a huge deal.  

And for what its worth I've always felt that having to play MP to get the necessary EMS was a mistake rather than a lie.

[Ianamus]

I just want whatever potential multiplayer is added to make sense in the context of the story. Mass Effect's multiplayer worked reasonable well, but I disliked the random unlock system and how it effected your EMS. Simply giving you an extra 100 or so EMS for each multiplayer character would have been fine, but affecting your EMS by such a large amount made it feel mandatory for success.

I wouldn't mind a small bonus to single player, like more gold or something, but I would prefer either an entirely separate mode or a multiplayer mode tied into the actual story campaign. The latter would probably be better as the extra work is benefiting the single player game as well, although I'm not sure how a mode like that could work with all the dialogue and story choices.

I'm not a big fan of facebook and social media links though, and I hope there aren't any in Dragon Age 3. "Congratulations, you have sucessfully romanced Cassandra. Would you like to post this on your wall to share with your friends?" umm... yeah, no thanks. I'm also not a big fan of the 10000+ of lackluster and unnecessary promo items that came before Dragon Age 2. "If 3'000'000 like this you all get a bonus item! That really doesn't add anything to the game."

iakus wrote...

 ALl I gotta say is, if DA3 has multiplayer of any kind, it's at a minimum a six month wait before buying for me.  More likely I won't buy it at all or get it used.  

I very nearly didn't get ME3 after it was leaked it would have multiplayer.  And I bitterly wish I went with my first instinct then.  Won't be fooled again.

 

But was it the multiplayer that made the game worse than its predecessors? Other than it being semi-mandatory for certain endings I really don't think it was a problem, and it's not like if the multiplayer mode didn't exist the ending would suddenly have been better written. 

Modifié par EJ107, 05 septembre 2012 - 11:03 .

[upsettingshorts]

It was never an argument. At no point do I take conspiracy theorists seriously.

Your "sources" is a comment in a development video I haven't seen and you haven't linked. A calendar upstages your "sources."

But keep at it! I'm sure your rage at being personally insulted by those malicious BioWare developers who are out only to manipulate you will accomplish a lot.

[andar91]

I have no particular issues with online features as long as they don't hurt the singleplayer experience. It's all in the implementation.

[Spedfrom]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

It was never an argument. At no point do I take conspiracy theorists seriously.

Your "sources" is a comment in a development video I haven't seen and you haven't linked. A calendar upstages your "sources."

But keep at it! I'm sure your rage at being personally insulted by those malicious BioWare developers who are out only to manipulate you will accomplish a lot.

You haven't provided any source whatsoever either. Saying that your source is better doesn't cut it, even if I understand what you might be hinting at. If you don't have proof, you're just another big mouth on the forums.

On the other hand, if they actually only spent 10 months on DA2, it doesn't put Bioware in a brighter light, quite the contrary, when you think of the predictable end result: rushed product with diminished sales and very mixed reactions to it (to put it nicely).

[upsettingshorts]

I've never been anything other than another big mouth on the forums. That's all any of us are.

I didn't say it was an excuse, per se, only that one game that was rushed out in 10 months is not a good basis upon which to predict the quality of a game that will come out after more development time. That's all.

[Iakus]

Nomen Mendax wrote...

iakus wrote...

 ALl I gotta say is, if DA3 has multiplayer of any kind, it's at a minimum a six month wait before buying for me.  More likely I won't buy it at all or get it used.  

I very nearly didn't get ME3 after it was leaked it would have multiplayer.  And I bitterly wish I went with my first instinct then.  Won't be fooled again.

Why?  I'm not a huge fan of ME3 SP for reasons too irrelevant to get into right now, but I don't see MP as having anything to do with the SP problems.  I realize that having to play MP to get one of the endings irritated some people, but given that fixing it involved playing MP for about half an hour I don't see that as a huge deal.  

And for what its worth I've always felt that having to play MP to get the necessary EMS was a mistake rather than a lie.

Because when I play a single player game, I want to play a single player game.  Not a multiplayer game with a single player mode.  Not a single player game that requires multiplayer to get "the good stuff"  And I certainly don't want to deal with balance issues between single player and multiplayer settings, maps, whatever.

 I cannot trust that Bioware won't end up linking SP and mp somehow.  Despite assurances in ME3, it turns out they were.  And it was months before that was corrected.  I play RPGs to immerse myself in another world.  To be a hero in a story.  I don't play rpgs just to pwn demons, or whatever.  And that's why I say if I have to install multiplayer in order to play single player, it's not .  

And I won't pay full price for a game I won't make full use of.

[David Gaider]

Knock it off, both of you. You're both sounding like twits.

As for MP, rest assured we'll restrict any such functionality to the crit path Big Head Racing segment that you need to finish the game. Because we're listeners, and hang onto every word you guys say. #Truth

[Ianamus]

iakus wrote...

Nomen Mendax wrote...

iakus wrote...

 ALl I gotta say is, if DA3 has multiplayer of any kind, it's at a minimum a six month wait before buying for me.  More likely I won't buy it at all or get it used.  

I very nearly didn't get ME3 after it was leaked it would have multiplayer.  And I bitterly wish I went with my first instinct then.  Won't be fooled again.

Why?  I'm not a huge fan of ME3 SP for reasons too irrelevant to get into right now, but I don't see MP as having anything to do with the SP problems.  I realize that having to play MP to get one of the endings irritated some people, but given that fixing it involved playing MP for about half an hour I don't see that as a huge deal.  

And for what its worth I've always felt that having to play MP to get the necessary EMS was a mistake rather than a lie.

Because when I play a single player game, I want to play a single player game.  Not a multiplayer game with a single player mode.  Not a single player game that requires multiplayer to get "the good stuff"  And I certainly don't want to deal with balance issues between single player and multiplayer settings, maps, whatever.

 I cannot trust that Bioware won't end up linking SP and mp somehow.  Despite assurances in ME3, it turns out they were.  And it was months before that was corrected.  I play RPGs to immerse myself in another world.  To be a hero in a story.  I don't play rpgs just to pwn demons, or whatever.  And that's why I say if I have to install multiplayer in order to play single player, it's not .  

And I won't pay full price for a game I won't make full use of.

Some of the Bioware classics like Neverwinter Nights and Baulders gate had multiplayer modes, and it didn't have a negetive impact on the single player modes at all if you didn't use them. 

I can't understand why you wouldnt buy the game just because it's announced that it has a multiplayer mode. Nor why you would assume that it would be linked to single player. Only one Bioware game has done that so far and they eventually changed it with the EC anyway due to the complaints, so I doubt they would do it again.  

Modifié par EJ107, 05 septembre 2012 - 11:31 .

[Emzamination]

BrotherWarth wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Knock it off, both of you. You're both sounding like twits.

Oh yeah!? Well you're... bald!

I always log in during the good stuff

[syllogi]

David Gaider wrote...

As for MP, rest assured we'll restrict any such functionality to the crit path Big Head Racing segment that you need to finish the game. Because we're listeners, and hang onto every word you guys say. #Truth

Welp, this will be the basis of half a dozen video game news articles by the morning.

[upsettingshorts]

Anyone who posts incomplete PMs is definitely a twit, and I'm certainly a twit for engaging with one. Lesson learned.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 05 septembre 2012 - 11:46 .

[nightscrawl]

Nomen Mendax wrote...

Why?  I'm not a huge fan of ME3 SP for reasons too irrelevant to get into right now, but I don't see MP as having anything to do with the SP problems.  I realize that having to play MP to get one of the endings irritated some people, but given that fixing it involved playing MP for about half an hour I don't see that as a huge deal.

When it comes to this and Dragon Age ANY AMOUNT of FORCED MP is too much. I didn't get into this franchise because it might have multi-player forced on me some time down the line, after two games where it was never an issue. If DAO had had MP I never would have bought it in the first place. As it is now, I'm invested in the franchise on an emotional level so I'll have to wait and see what happens.

If you liked it, good for you. I don't understand why some people can't get it though their heads that there are others who want nothing AT ALL to do with MP.

As I said in the other thread...
Co-op in the style of NWN or BG is totally fine to me. I won't use it, but other people may and have a fun time. That type of MP has no effect whatsoever on my SP experience, and that's all I care about. There are tons of MMOs out there, one of which I subscribe to, I don't want something where I am forced to deal with other people, especially in a franchise where that was never a component in the past.

EJ107 wrote...

Only one Bioware game has done that so far and they eventually changed it with the EC anyway due to the complaints, so I doubt they would do it again.

This is pretty much exactly what I'm resting my hope on.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 06 septembre 2012 - 12:08 .

[Iakus]

EJ107 wrote...

Some of the Bioware classics like Neverwinter Nights and Baulders gate had multiplayer modes, and it didn't have a negetive impact on the single player modes at all if you didn't use them. 

I can't understand why you wouldnt buy the game just because it's announced that it has a multiplayer mode. Nor why you would assume that it would be linked to single player. Only one Bioware game has done that so far and they eventually changed it with the EC anyway due to the complaints, so I doubt they would do it again.  

BG's mp was so subtle it was over a yar before I realized it had it.  NWN was designed to be a module creation kit.

 The BG and NWN games had other things going fro them:

The BG games, were, at a minimum 50 hours each of content with anything close to a thorough run.  Not sure about the NWN games, as it's been a while since I played them

2) Both games were quite moddable.  There are sites up to this day with mods availabler to them.  Heck Neverwinter Nights was designed with "Create Your Own Adventures" in mind.

Do you really think Dragon Age 3 will have that much single player content?  Or that degree of customization in mind?  Or is it more likely to be like ME 3, Bioware's most recent game, not moddable, and with intrusive MP that takes months to sort out (and may never have been if EC hadn't come around)?

So if DA3 does in fact have MP, I will not buy it.  I will wait, at a minumum six months when the prices have come down some.  I will see what others have to say, and learn how intrusive MP really is.  

Frankly, after ME3, Bioware's on really htin ice with me, and I simply can't trust any prerelease hype.  They've gotten into the habit of promising the sun, the moon, and the stars, then delivering a rock, which they bury your character under.

[Renmiri1]

I don't play Dragon Age for the combat but if someone else does and likes MP battles, no big deal.

Could be a fun way to get my kids into Dragon Age.

[Iakus]

Nyoka wrote...

A question: I understand the main campaign could be played in co-op in the old games. how did they handle multiplayer conversations? Did the host do all the talk and the rest would just wait around?

In BG, one person was the Bhaalspawn and other players were the followers (why you'd want to replace Minsc with another human I'll never understand) So the game progressed by the Bhaalspawn following the storyline.  I think there were varying levels of permissions the leader could hand out as well.

I don't know how NWN  handled it.

[nightscrawl]

iakus wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

A question: I understand the main campaign could be played in co-op in the old games. how did they handle multiplayer conversations? Did the host do all the talk and the rest would just wait around?

In BG, one person was the Bhaalspawn and other players were the followers (why you'd want to replace Minsc with another human I'll never understand) So the game progressed by the Bhaalspawn following the storyline.  I think there were varying levels of permissions the leader could hand out as well.

I don't know how NWN  handled it.

I'm assuming this is referring to conversations with NPCs, and not among players? I don't know how NPC conversations were handled in NWN co-op, but player conversations had a chatbox. Since NWN was D&D rules based, the chatbox also had the function of showing your initiative rolls and all of that stuff.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 06 septembre 2012 - 12:54 .

[ScotGaymer]

This has come up because a very high up EA exec has very proudly and stupidly declared that under his watch EA has not released a "Singleplayer only" game; and under his continued watch it would NEVER release a single player only game.

Bioware is a division of EA as we keep being told.

Thus the panic about "OMG! Is DA3 going to have a boring shoehorned in Multiplayer like ME3 did?"