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[BioFan (Official)]

about the DA3 MP

http://www.escapistm...er-Games?page=1

[wsandista]

Ahhh, a thread concerning muliplayer being implemented in a manner one person would dislike devolves into a childish argument that makes elementary schoolchildren look like cultured adults. Truly BSN, you are quite the source of entertainment.

Oh and didn't one of the head guys at EA say something about not green-lighting any single-player games? I think that is the source of the OP's fear(s).

As long as the MP is done COMPLETELY separately from the single-player(that means no content, not even an easter egg, will require it) and COMPLETELY optional, I personally don't see it as a problem.

[LolaLei]

BrotherWarth wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Knock it off, both of you. You're both sounding like twits.

Oh yeah!? Well you're... bald!

Woah.

[tishyw]

The biggest issue with this for me is EA's move towards a permanent internet connection being essential to a single player game. We only need to look at the new SimCity to see where they're headed.
I didn't buy Diablo 3 because of this, and I won't buy SimCity for the same reason. If they do the same to DA3 then I won't buy that either. I just don't see how the player benefits from a single player game having to have a permanent internet connection.

Modifié par tishyw, 06 septembre 2012 - 02:27 .

[Renmiri1]

simfamSP wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BioWare died for me as a company when they included multiplayer in Baldur's Gate. Both of them.

Was I meant to grin like an idiot when reading your post?

I'm rofl'ing at both of you saying this in a Bioware forum, years after Baldurs Gate. Clearly "dead" for you guys doesn't mean what it means to most people 

[Mike_Neel]

I remember when RPGs came to the consoles and they had to cut out multiplayer for limitation reasons and everyone was complaining about loss of multiplayer.

I think there's even a reference to all the complaints in Dragon Age Origins on a tombstone about how mad the community was Dragon Age Origins wouldn't have a multiplayer component.

There was even a bit of complaints that KotOR didn't have it. People were upset that Morrowind didn't have it.

I guess it's true when they say life and time is cyclical and that everything repeats.

[LolaLei]

Avejajed wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Knock it off, both of you. You're both sounding like twits.

As for MP, rest assured we'll restrict any such functionality to the crit path Big Head Racing segment that you need to finish the game. Because we're listeners, and hang onto every word you guys say. #Truth

I'm torn between lol'ing and being vaguely offended you think we're all lunatics who expect you to do exactly as we say.


But you better make Cullen a LI or I'm not going to buy your stupid game and I'll tell all my friends not to buy your stupid game and then you'll go bankrupt! Take THAT, Bioware!

Oh gawd, she's having an Annie Wilkes moment! 

[TamiBx]

tishyw wrote...

The biggest issue with this for me is EA's move towards a permanent internet connection being essential to a single player game. We only need to look at the new SimCity to see where they're headed.
I didn't buy Diablo 3 because of this, and I won't buy SimCity for the same reason. If they do the same to DA3 then I won't buy that either. I just don't see how the player benefits from a single player game having to have a permanent internet connection.

Exactly. Some people (like me) have limited internet access in the stupid dorms (I hate college), so playing online is out of the question. 
Also, occasionally we live in other countries where internet isn't as good or as available as it is in the US (in Japan, for example, internet sucks, unless you're on your phone...but I'm pretty sure you can't use your phone's internet to connect your console) 

[Nomen Mendax]

nightscrawl wrote...

Nomen Mendax wrote...

Why?  I'm not a huge fan of ME3 SP for reasons too irrelevant to get into right now, but I don't see MP as having anything to do with the SP problems.  I realize that having to play MP to get one of the endings irritated some people, but given that fixing it involved playing MP for about half an hour I don't see that as a huge deal.

When it comes to this and Dragon Age ANY AMOUNT of FORCED MP is too much. I didn't get into this franchise because it might have multi-player forced on me some time down the line, after two games where it was never an issue. If DAO had had MP I never would have bought it in the first place. As it is now, I'm invested in the franchise on an emotional level so I'll have to wait and see what happens.

If you liked it, good for you. I don't understand why some people can't get it though their heads that there are others who want nothing AT ALL to do with MP.

As I said in the other thread...
Co-op in the style of NWN or BG is totally fine to me. I won't use it, but other people may and have a fun time. That type of MP has no effect whatsoever on my SP experience, and that's all I care about. There are tons of MMOs out there, one of which I subscribe to, I don't want something where I am forced to deal with other people, especially in a franchise where that was never a component in the past.

I get it, I'm just surprised that you care about it as much as you appear to.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing you, I'm just expressing honest surprise.  I felt the same way when I read the multi-page EMS threads about the same issue.  As far as I'm concerned the impact of MP on the ME3 SP experience was pretty minimal, and I felt there were lots of other issues with ME3 that made the MP / EMS issue minor in comparison.  Clearly our opinons differ on this though.

Having said this, I do agree that if there is a MP component to DA3 it shouldn't impact negatively on the SP experience.  And if DA3 should be a primarily MP game I won't be buying it either.

Modifié par Nomen Mendax, 06 septembre 2012 - 04:40 .

[deuce985]

David Gaider wrote...

Knock it off, both of you. You're both sounding like twits.

As for MP, rest assured we'll restrict any such functionality to the crit path Big Head Racing segment that you need to finish the game. Because we're listeners, and hang onto every word you guys say. #Truth

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

If it is true, I don't approve.

It also better mean MP Wicked Grace.

*Edit: Highfliers can bet their character's clothes.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 06 septembre 2012 - 10:15 .

[Lord Gremlin]

TamiBx wrote...

tishyw wrote...

The biggest issue with this for me is EA's move towards a permanent internet connection being essential to a single player game. We only need to look at the new SimCity to see where they're headed.
I didn't buy Diablo 3 because of this, and I won't buy SimCity for the same reason. If they do the same to DA3 then I won't buy that either. I just don't see how the player benefits from a single player game having to have a permanent internet connection.

Exactly. Some people (like me) have limited internet access in the stupid dorms (I hate college), so playing online is out of the question. 
Also, occasionally we live in other countries where internet isn't as good or as available as it is in the US (in Japan, for example, internet sucks, unless you're on your phone...but I'm pretty sure you can't use your phone's internet to connect your console) 

You can, but this is extremely troublesome. I think everyone can at least agree that as long as MP can be ignored entirely it's not a 100% dealbreaker. For example, Spec OPS: The Line. You can play it and ignore MP completely. No problem.
The only problem is if they will make it like Mass Effect 3, where people were forced to play MP in order to get a specific ending. And Bioware cleverly lied about it - they said you don't need MP to get any ending, but the ending in question was a variation of one of ending.
ME3 was that way because EA wanted to milk microtransaction system. I'd rather see DA3 using Dragon's Dogma DLC model (although to get away with this you need to have a very good game to begin with).

[jbrand2002uk]

My take on this is there should be no MP at all because its an RPG if you want an online RPG you buy an MMO and while I'm a big fan of Star Wars but Bioware/EA's subscription model has put me off entirely and I dont care for the FTP mode thats deliberately nerfed to such an extent that your pressured into buying the subscription

[finalcabbage]

The only proper response to rumors of multiplayer being added to a game that has yet to be announced is protest by self-immolation. Get to it guys!

[David Gaider]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

This has come up because a very high up EA exec has very proudly and stupidly declared that under his watch EA has not released a "Singleplayer only" game; and under his continued watch it would NEVER release a single player only game.

Bioware is a division of EA as we keep being told.

Thus the panic about "OMG! Is DA3 going to have a boring shoehorned in Multiplayer like ME3 did?"

Which is interesting primarily due to the fact that this is something EA has said repeatedly and publicly many times to date-- all their games must have a multiplayer or online component (requirements which even DA2 satisfied). And both Mike and Mark have also spoken several times about their intention to have some form of multiplayer in the DA franchise, if not details as to what form it will take.

So, curiosity about that? Sure. Concern? Maybe, if you had anxiety about how that was going to be implented within DA, though that isn't going to be explained anytime soon-- I'm sure opinions on how you'd like to see it done are far more welcome than assumptions, though. Shock and panic? I have no idea why, unless someone wasn't paying attention.

[Wulfram]

Well, rather a lot of people probably aren't paying much attention. What with the game not having been announced yet.

And I think the way a lot of people would like it to be done is "not at all".

[finalcabbage]

David Gaider wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

This has come up because a very high up EA exec has very proudly and stupidly declared that under his watch EA has not released a "Singleplayer only" game; and under his continued watch it would NEVER release a single player only game.

Bioware is a division of EA as we keep being told.

Thus the panic about "OMG! Is DA3 going to have a boring shoehorned in Multiplayer like ME3 did?"

Which is interesting primarily due to the fact that this is something EA has said repeatedly and publicly many times to date-- all their games must have a multiplayer or online component (requirements which even DA2 satisfied). And both Mike and Mark have also spoken several times about their intention to have some form of multiplayer in the DA franchise, if not details as to what form it will take.

So, curiosity about that? Sure. Concern? Maybe, if you had anxiety about how that was going to be implented within DA, though that isn't going to be explained anytime soon-- I'm sure opinions on how you'd like to see it done are far more welcome than assumptions, though. Shock and panic? I have no idea why, unless someone wasn't paying attention.

Sir, with all due respect.  Do you not understand that by changing any element of any of your games in any way invites doom and dispair?  All Bioware games must be exact clones of all their predecessors otherwise the fabric of reality might unravel and the denizens of the nightmare realms will come boiling out.  Hypothetically adding multiplayer to DA3 will ruin all things forever.  Good day!

[David Gaider]

Wulfram wrote...
And I think the way a lot of people would like it to be done is "not at all".

Yet Mike and Mark have already said it will happen, in some form. So if what someone wants is "no multiplayer component at all", then they are categorically not getting what they want. Time to move on.