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[Wulfram]

schalafi wrote...

David, when you said "all their games must have a multiplayer or online component (requirements which even DA2 satisfied)" what was the online component /components that satisfied EA's demand?

Presumably the way you can look at peoples characters and achievements on this website if you look at their profile.

Though that aspect was cut down quite a bit from DA:O, which actually tried to keep the story of your characters and uploaded screenshots and stuff.

[FieryDove]

Brockololly wrote...

The only thing I can think of is the DLC and possibly the uploading to BSN stuff. 

But even then, compared to other recent EA games, DA seems to be the odd game out when you look at the online features of other recent EA games.

Since DA the next thing will require origins you can bet it will contain some form of social networking, mp or co-op.
It's taken longer than they liked but everything from EA now will have $$/microtransactions out the wazoo. They said that what...7 years ago? It just took longer than expected.

Having to always be connected is a no no for me as is Origins.  I am sad...very sad at recent trends and pandering suits/beancounters. Bleh

[deuce985]

David Gaider wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

This has come up because a very high up EA exec has very proudly and stupidly declared that under his watch EA has not released a "Singleplayer only" game; and under his continued watch it would NEVER release a single player only game.

Bioware is a division of EA as we keep being told.

Thus the panic about "OMG! Is DA3 going to have a boring shoehorned in Multiplayer like ME3 did?"

Which is interesting primarily due to the fact that this is something EA has said repeatedly and publicly many times to date-- all their games must have a multiplayer or online component (requirements which even DA2 satisfied). And both Mike and Mark have also spoken several times about their intention to have some form of multiplayer in the DA franchise, if not details as to what form it will take.

So, curiosity about that? Sure. Concern? Maybe, if you had anxiety about how that was going to be implented within DA, though that isn't going to be explained anytime soon-- I'm sure opinions on how you'd like to see it done are far more welcome than assumptions, though. Shock and panic? I have no idea why, unless someone wasn't paying attention.

I just think people have the fear budget cuts into SP when MP is added. ME3 initially forced you to play MP to get the entire SP experience too. Although it was minor to me, some people thought it was a big deal. Also, it doesn't help that EA isn't known for great user experiences on their servers. In my personal experience, RPG players are VERY guarded on their precious products.

As someone mentioned before, sometimes I'll login to ME3 and EA will have screwed up authentication servers consistently. Not only is the auth servers slow(sometimes it takes 5 minutes to get everything loaded up) but it gives you errors. I've seen it tell me my DLC is corrupted when it's not and I had to wait until they sorted the servers out. Their online DRM is bad because their servers are so inconsistent. ME3 consistently lags on any community challenge.

I think that's where a lot of fear comes from. If you guys clean that up, you'll be ok. My only concern personally is EA servers. I don't think that's something Bioware has much control on their end. I could be wrong though and I'm sure you know more than me on that end. Just doesn't seem like a coincidence in every EA game they have server problems. That has to be something on their end.  I think it's fair to have some concerns. Best way to shut everyone up is just wow them.
BSN tends to overreact...I'm sure you know this by now David...

Modifié par deuce985, 06 septembre 2012 - 06:52 .

[Lord_Valandil]

King Cousland wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Well, I can safely say now that I'm done with the Dragon Age franchise.
Good day, ladies and gentlemen.

Why? Why does one feature which you know nothing about impact on the whole of the IP? 

Mostly because DA2 was a huge disappointment for me.
All the ret-cons and lack of choice (because every path led to the same outcome), among many other things really turned me off, I'm not going to start ranting about the game, I know many people liked it, and I'm ok with that, I truly wanted to like it (after shelling out 60 dollars plus shipping to my country), but I couldn't.
The webseries with Felicia Day was awful (again, a personal opinion) and the anime doesn't really call my attention, as it sports the same art style from DA2.
Mass Effect 3 was the worse game of the trilogy for me, and the tacked-on MP didn't do any favors for it. So, knowing that DA3 will probably have a lame MP component (because I highly doubt it'll be any good, excuse me for being pessimistic) makes me feel wary. I trusted (as a costumer) in Bio with DA2 and ME3, and I wasn't satisfied...and everything seems to indicate that they aren't going to change the course, so, if I'm not liking the journey so far, better to get off the train.

Now, if DA3 proves to be an excellent game like Origins and the MP turns out to be amazing, then I'll be among the ones who'll eat their hat. But I doubt it.

[schalafi]

I wonder if Bioware ever considers being an Independent company again, and detaching itself from EA? Probably not, because of the cost of developing and production, but there are some Indi games out there that have done pretty well on their own. I would love to have the old Bioware back without someone else in the driver's seat, but I suppose it's too late for that :-(

[deuce985]

Avejajed wrote...

If all the people who said Bioware was dead to them would just leave already, this place would be much happier.

Yea, I don't really understand this personally. Why people like this linger around and participate in topics like this? If Bioware is dead to you, that means you don't like their games anymore. That means you won't buy their games anymore and you don't care about Bioware. Why join a discussion about DA3?

Probably because when they say "Bioware is dead to me", they're only speaking from immediate emotion. In other words, they do still care about Bioware and will do anything to make their voice heard. Like David said though, some people on this forum don't know how to express their thoughts properly and often type with too much emotion.

Modifié par deuce985, 06 septembre 2012 - 07:22 .

[schalafi]

Avejajed wrote...

If all the people who said Bioware was dead to them would just leave already, this place would be much happier.

"This place" is exactly where people have a right to express their own opinions, whether or not you agree with them.

[deuce985]

schalafi wrote...

Avejajed wrote...

If all the people who said Bioware was dead to them would just leave already, this place would be much happier.

"This place" is exactly where people have a right to express their own opinions, whether or not you agree with them.

Indeed. But David spelled it out already. They have a proper way to express your opinions so the devs can hear you. Some people don't seem to understand that.

[Dragoonlordz]

schalafi wrote...

Avejajed wrote...

If all the people who said Bioware was dead to them would just leave already, this place would be much happier.

"This place" is exactly where people have a right to express their own opinions, whether or not you agree with them.

An opinion which consists of Bioware is dead or their games are forever off your buying list then that is an opinion worth nothing. It adds nothing. It is one thing to say I like x and dislike y but to say they are dead to you or will never buy a game from them again.. your wasting everyones time in doing such. They cannot do anything with such an opinion.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 septembre 2012 - 07:26 .

[Fisto The Sexbot]

David Gaider wrote...

Darth Death wrote...
And BioWare going in a complete new direction was a very successful idea. So successful that DA2 & ME3 were considered by many (if not all) to be the best product ever done by BioWare. 

I hear that if you yell loudly enough on the Internet you get something that almost sounds like consensus.

#TrueStory

You're still in denial about people hating Dragon Age 2? If you only listen to what the people on your friends list think about your game, you may not be seeing the consensus here.

[deuce985]

This is why less Bioware devs post on this forum...

[King Cousland]

schalafi wrote...

I wonder if Bioware ever considers being an Independent company again, and detaching itself from EA? Probably not, because of the cost of developing and production, but there are some Indi games out there that have done pretty well on their own. I would love to have the old Bioware back without someone else in the driver's seat, but I suppose it's too late for that :-(

They couldn't detatch themselves even if they wanted to. BioWare and EA aren't co-operating, EA owns BioWare, so unless somebody makes an offer to buy BioWare, EA will retain the whip hand. I'm afraid that the days of BioWare as an independant company are almost certainly gone forever. 

[Dragoonlordz]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Darth Death wrote...
And BioWare going in a complete new direction was a very successful idea. So successful that DA2 & ME3 were considered by many (if not all) to be the best product ever done by BioWare. 

I hear that if you yell loudly enough on the Internet you get something that almost sounds like consensus.

#TrueStory

You're still in denial about people hating Dragon Age 2? If you only listen to what the people on your friends list think about your game, you may not be seeing the consensus here.

This for example is a pointless post. If someone says they hate the game then nothing can be done about it, your wasting their time in posting such comments. Many people dislike parts of the game and liked other parts. Specifying what parts you like and do not and why for each is helpful and can be taken note of but saying hate entire game you accomplish nothing.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 septembre 2012 - 07:30 .

[schalafi]

deuce985 wrote...

schalafi wrote...

Avejajed wrote...

If all the people who said Bioware was dead to them would just leave already, this place would be much happier.

"This place" is exactly where people have a right to express their own opinions, whether or not you agree with them.

Indeed. But David spelled it out already. They have a proper way to express your opinions so the devs can hear you. Some people don't seem to understand that.

And I agree, but you can express negative opinions in a positive and courteous way without
having other people want to expel you from the forums. I don't believe David expects posters to have no differing opinions, at all, he just wants them expressed in a "proper way", which shouldn't be too hard to do for mature people.

[MKDAWUSS]

schalafi wrote...

Avejajed wrote...

If all the people who said Bioware was dead to them would just leave already, this place would be much happier.

"This place" is exactly where people have a right to express their own opinions, whether or not you agree with them.

Really? Do tell.

[schalafi]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

schalafi wrote...

Avejajed wrote...

If all the people who said Bioware was dead to them would just leave already, this place would be much happier.

"This place" is exactly where people have a right to express their own opinions, whether or not you agree with them.

Really? Do tell.

Cryptic remarks like that make no sense at all. If you disagree with me, state your reasons.

[FedericoV]

deuce985 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BioWare died for me as a company when they included multiplayer in Baldur's Gate. Both of them.

Yea, this is why I don't get why people complain about MP in DA3. Bioware already proved they can make a complete game with both...

It was 2000 and Bioware was an indipendent company. But that Bioware is no more. BG MP was nice but I don't think that's the direction they are going if they will add that kind of feature. Why? Because there's no money to be made with that model.

I don't know if Bioware wants MP or not for the DA series. For sure EA dictates that every game must have MP and that's the main reason they are shoe horning MP in every game they produce. The point of MP in EA games is to milk customers dry, 24/7. "Operation give us your money" starts in 21:21 hours: EA is very proud of it.

There's not a lot of constructive criticism to offer on the matter. That's not how I want to be treated as a fan and customer and that's not what I would like Bioware to focus on.

Having said all of that, MP it's just another reason to be skeptic about DA3. So, it's not a big deal. But all those little things are mixing together and at the end you have mediocre games like DA2, TOR and ME3.

Then, maybe DA3 will be a good game, who knows. In that case I will appreciate it more if I start it with low expectations.   

Modifié par FedericoV, 06 septembre 2012 - 07:45 .

[bEVEsthda]

deuce985 wrote...
I just think people have the fear budget cuts into SP when MP is added. 

Agreed. But it is unfortunately also a fact that MP almost always diminish the SP game. This is partly deducable as a natural, lawgiven consequence. In another observation, the very best games tend to not have MP.
I do think that a game can be greatly enhanced by an online component though, provided that component is a logical part of the gameplay, which can't be provided otherwise.

I think it's fair to have some concerns. Best way to shut everyone up is just wow them.

Can't be done. As I've pointed out numerous times, all those who can be, are already tied up elsewhere. And besides, they really aren't that many, anyway. They just seem so, all lumped up in one big pile.

BSN tends to overreact...I'm sure you know this by now David... 

Well, I think you got that down wrong. You see, I'm also concerned about this masochistic negativeness. I fear it could create an atmosphere where DA3 doesn't get a fair chance.
It's difficuklt to draw lines. I absolutely loathe everything about DA2's "new direction". And I have this terrible suspicion that Bioware/EA might not get it, and will stubbornly try the same poop yet again. But suspicion is one thing. One must be able to recognize that one doesn't know yet. We can whine about DA2. And if we knew anything about DA3, we could whine about that. But we don't. Bioware ain't telling us much, if anything. As long as DA3 is not released, we can't really whine about DA3. Wait and see.

But putting it as "BSN tends to overreact", rings false in my ears. Sofar, the eventual revelations have always proved to be even worse than forum fears. I pray that will not remain consistent with DA3.

[Dragoonlordz]

FedericoV wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BioWare died for me as a company when they included multiplayer in Baldur's Gate. Both of them.

Yea, this is why I don't get why people complain about MP in DA3. Bioware already proved they can make a complete game with both...

It was 2000 and Bioware was an indipendent company. But that Bioware is no more. BG MP was nice but I don't think that's the direction they are going if they will add that kind of feature. Why? Because there's no money to be made with that model.

I don't know if Bioware wants MP or not for the DA series. For sure EA dictates that every game must have MP and that's the main reason they are shoe horning MP in every game they produce. The point of MP in EA games is to milk customers dry, 24/7. "Operation give us your money" starts in 21:21 hours.

EA is even proud of it. Having said all of that, MP it's just another reason to be skeptic about DA3. So, it's not a big deal. Maybe DA3 will be a good game and in that case I will appreciate it more if I start it with low expectations.   

Thats a lot of hyperbole in one post. The ME3 operations require no money to play, the entire MP part requires spending no money at all. Some people may want to spend money on it but you do not have to do so in order to play or gain what those who spend money get. EA has clarified what they mean when said what did previously and that is social element not MP specifically.  Even if DA has MP there is factually no details about how would work and if will have any impact on SP. ME3 MP had no impact on my SP experience personally and especially when fixed that mistake about number of assets required.

The one thing you did say that was more of a right thing as far as I am concerned is keep your expectations in check whenever buy any game which is sound advice regardless.

[Lord_Valandil]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
the entire MP part requires spending no money at all.

Xbox Live says hello.

That, and of course, the Online Pass. If you buy the game used, then you have to pay

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 06 septembre 2012 - 07:51 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
the entire MP part requires spending no money at all.

Xbox Live says hello.

Thats a Microsoft issue not Bioware. PC you do not, PS3 you do not. If you choose to pay for a service that requires payment to play any MP on any game thats your fault not Bioware's. As for online pass it is a way for Bioware and EA to make a little money back for their product which I see nothing wrong in wanting to do. You do not have to buy an online pass if do not want to access additional features like MP and such. But given costs them money to keep those services running it is not uinfair to make a small amount one time each from those who choose not to buy it new as opposed to used.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 septembre 2012 - 08:00 .

[Renmiri1]

 Is just a top exec dreaming of WoW cash cows dripping sweet subscription money every month.. Or Facebook microtransactions doing the same.

Methinks he is working for the wrong company but who am I to judge ? Blizzard is for sale Mr Gibeau. Go buy it and leave our games alone!


 http://kotaku.com/59...le player-games 

"I still passionately believe in single-player games and think we should build them. What I was trying to suggest with my comments was that as we move our company from being a packaged goods, fire-and-forget business to a digital business that has a service component to it. That's business-speak for ‘I want to have a business that's alive and evolves and changes over time'" 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 06 septembre 2012 - 07:54 .

[Atakuma]

FedericoV wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

BioWare died for me as a company when they included multiplayer in Baldur's Gate. Both of them.

Yea, this is why I don't get why people complain about MP in DA3. Bioware already proved they can make a complete game with both...

It was 2000 and Bioware was an indipendent company. But that Bioware is no more. BG MP was nice but I don't think that's the direction they are going if they will add that kind of feature. Why? Because there's no money to be made with that model.

The primary purpose of multiplayer in a game like this is so that EA can do an online pass. If they were only interested in microtransactions, then Dead Space would not have gone from a seperate competetive multiplayer mode to fully integrated co-op. 

[schalafi]

I have bought and played every game Bioware made since Baldur's gate, and will continue buying and playing them because in spite of MP speculation, they make the kind of games I like. If there is a Sp game, I don't care about having a MP. I probably won't play it, but that's just my preference.