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[Suspire]

Destroy Survive needs higher EMS than Synthesis afaik so if you're going for higher EMS = better...
(feel free to correct me, I can't really remember)

Modifié par Suspire, 06 septembre 2012 - 06:42 .

[jkflipflopDAO]

Because he's a creepy little jerkface.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Suspire wrote...

Destroy Survive needs higher EMS than Synthesis afaik so if you're going for higher EMS = better...
(feel free to correct me, I can't really remember)

I think both unlocks simultaneously at 3100 EMS..

[EnvyTB075]

pirate1802 wrote...

Suspire wrote...

Destroy Survive needs higher EMS than Synthesis afaik so if you're going for higher EMS = better...
(feel free to correct me, I can't really remember)

I think both unlocks simultaneously at 3100 EMS..

I thought it was more than 4000 plus whatever you did in the preceding scenes with Anderson and TIM.

[DirtyPhoenix]

That was pre-EC. Now the limit has been reduced.

[inversevideo]

wizardryforever wrote...

Suspire wrote...

It's not a solution even if it affects everyone, the synthetics are seen as different cause they were created by the creators. Synthesis only makes them all have the same DNA (as if machines have DNA, but k space magic), the geth would still be the created and the quarians the creators.
And even then, synthesis either changes people's mind by some form of brainwash to make them all get along, or people still have wars for all the reasons they want, including former geth, former quarians, and all the **** that they have gone through in the past since they can still remember what happened (or synthesis erases memory).
I think having self-aware husks and banshees is the worst part lol.
Or the people like Javik commiting mass suicide for having been molecule-raped into green glowy things.

Synthesis gives organics a synthetic component to their DNA, and gives synthetics true understanding of organic thought processes (ie emotions) in addition to their own.  The distinction is blurred to the point that it barely exists, and is mostly vestigial. 

Basically, synthesis gives the galaxy a "wisdom" upgrade, in the sense of most RPG stats.  They have an epiphany about how trivial and stupid the previous conflicts based on fear, prejudice, and misunderstanding over being synthetic or organic truly were.  This happens on a universal scale, and it becomes a normal part of life ever more.  This does not mean that conflict is gone completely, only that there will not be a synthetic uprising, or conflicts based on the composition of one's body.  Any new conflicts will be over the old standbys of territory, resources, and ideology.  But the epiphany I mentioned has the short-term effect of creating a euphoric effect as everyone realizes just what they've gotten.  Technology improves by leaps and bounds as the boundaries of life are broken.  Life itself becomes unshackled.

Head canon. And upgraded Yahg? Yahg would be upgraded by Synthesis right?

Anyhow, consider this quote from the movie 'The Dark Knight' - "you either die the hero or live long enough to become the villain" .

Starkid, our villain, has become proficient at imposing his vision on organics in the galaxy. Changing organics into husks, banshees, marauders, scion, and whatnot. Starkid never asked those organics if they wanted to be changed, he just unilaterally did so.

Now, like some demon bargaining for your soul, and he is, Starkid presents you with a way to stop the cycle. All you have to do is change organics on a genetic level to merge with machines. Don't worry about the morals of such a choice. The galaxy will thank you for making the choice for them. Starkid should know, he has been busy doing it to organics for millennia. He is still doing it right now. And he will teach you how to do it if you let him.

So. You picked Synthesis. Are you sure you have not lived long enough to become the villain?

[Icinix]

...so forcing life to play nice with Reapers is not forcing anything on them?

Genetics? View points? Opinions? Beliefs?

Yeah sure you can argue how symbolic it is - but if the symbology doesn't make sense in the game world its representing - then it doesn't work.

Either literally or using symbology - synthesis does not work in a gameplay sense.

[Calamity]

iakus wrote...

Who is "you?" Shepard? Humanity? The galaxy?

Just how universal does this "readiness" require? Are the asari ready? The turians? The krogan? Salarians? Yahg?

How about the nonspacefaring races? Is every tree, bird, and blade of grass ready? Then there's the Reapers themselves and their husks...

Truth this ^

[SpamBot2000]

So the galaxy was in fact asking for it?

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 06 septembre 2012 - 09:00 .

[Fedi.St]

I'm with Javik here. Evolution is the only force that matters.

And we have to understand that biology is also technology but instead of microchips circuits etc , proteins and cells are the main factor which determines everything. So the synthetics is just another race. just like you won't merge salarian dna with krogan dna to stop the conflict between them the same applies for the synthetic races as well.
The conflict doesn't derive from non-understanding but from the usual force that drives all wars. Dominance.Evolution. The strong flourish , the weak perished.
I really can't understand how synthesis really solves anything. The only thing it does is to stagnate and sabotage the universal energy dispersor: evolution.

E.G So for dogs and cats to coexist we have to create the dog-cat to make them peaceful?

I really can't wrap my head around synthesis.

forced or not forced is the same thing.

[Lord Goose]

And before someone else brings up "Shepard has no right to
choose for everyone!" as an argument: yes he does. In each
and every ending (even refuse), Shepard chooses for
everyone without any consultation of any kind.

Control is between you and the Reapers. Just by becoming new Catalyst you don't directly force your decision on anyone besides Catalyst. You may force your future decisions as Control Entity, but simply becoming it does not force anything on people. Similiarly, if Destroy only killed the Reapers, it would not force anyone, besides them.

I don't want to sound as propagator, but if you consider all possibilities, Control doesn't make Synthesis impossible completely. You still have the Citadel and you can always build Crucible again.

Also, it is possible to simply don't agree with the Catalyst. You may think that he is not lying, but may consider that he simply mistaken.

[Lord Goose]

And before someone else brings up "Shepard has no right to
choose for everyone!" as an argument: yes he does. In each
and every ending (even refuse), Shepard chooses for
everyone without any consultation of any kind.

Control is between you and the Reapers. Just by becoming new Catalyst you don't directly force your decision on anyone besides Catalyst. You may force your future decisions as Control Entity, but simply becoming it does not force anything on people. Similiarly, if Destroy only killed the Reapers, it would not force anyone, besides them.

I don't want to sound as propagator, but if you consider all possibilities, Control doesn't make Synthesis impossible completely. You still have the Citadel and you can always build Crucible again.

Also, it is possible to simply don't agree with the Catalyst. You may think that he is not lying, but may consider that he simply mistaken.

[ElementL09]

What I don't get about what that was that if Shepard cycle was "ready" then why didn't it attempt synthesis starting the harvest?

I mean, when did the catalyst actually attempt synthesis in Shepards cycle, or better yet, when did the Catalyst attempt anything without the need of Crucible or prior directive from his programming from the Leviathans?

[Icinix]

ElementL09 wrote...

What I don't get about what that was that if Shepard cycle was "ready" then why didn't it attempt synthesis starting the harvest?

I mean, when did the catalyst actually attempt synthesis in Shepards cycle, or better yet, when did the Catalyst attempt anything without the need of Crucible or prior directive from his programming from the Leviathans?

Its a trick - the whole point is the Catalyst has a deal with Harbinger that he can ask Shepard to (metaphorically) jump and have Shep ask "How high?"

Harbinger lost.

[Lakeshow1986]

Synthesis is nonsensical really, "incorporating organics into synthetics" (yes, star brat said it that way around) and giving synthetics understanding is beyond stupid. I get angry even thinking that synthesis was an option, "here jump in this beam and synthesis will occur across the galaxy!"

No!

[DirtyPhoenix]

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Synthesis is nonsensical really, "incorporating organics into synthetics" (yes, star brat said it that way around) and giving synthetics understanding is beyond stupid. I get angry even thinking that synthesis was an option, "here jump in this beam and synthesis will occur across the galaxy!"

No!

When does he say that? I mean I don't remember exactly at which place..

Modifié par pirate1802, 06 septembre 2012 - 10:32 .

[Ieldra]

The Catalyst does not say that. Check the dialogue reference in my Synthesis thread.

BTW: pirate1802, have you switched to Refuse? Why?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 septembre 2012 - 10:47 .

[George Costanza]

There are so many problems with Synthesis that it hurts my brain to even think about it. It's an absolute trainwreck. To be honest, when I get to the end, I just kinda pretend the option isn't even there and it makes my life happier.

Whoever came up with the idea either didn't think it through, or didn't think we would, because it doesn't make a lick of sense, and that's long before you've even got to the point where you're thinking about the ethics of it as a choice.

[ghost9191]

well understand maybe shepard being ready for synthesis., but what of the races that are not. i mean the catalyst basically said it didn't turn out well for races that weren't ready so what of the ones that aren't .

[Mcfly616]

I prefer destroy....but there's no problem with synthesis


I mean, unless you have a problem with "the Force" or "beam me up, Scotty", and the Hendrix song in Starbucks head leading to earth

its called Sci Fi....sh*t gets trippy some times, it can get out there, and some times some of it is left unexplained or up to interpretation


A lot of people on these forums, seemingly have little experience with the genre

[GreyLycanTrope]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I prefer destroy....but there's no problem with synthesis


I mean, unless you have a problem with "the Force" or "beam me up, Scotty", and the Hendrix song in Starbucks head leading to earth

its called Sci Fi....sh*t gets trippy some times, it can get out there, and some times some of it is left unexplained or up to interpretation


A lot of people on these forums, seemingly have little experience with the genre

Sometimes not all the time even the force got explained stop using that arguement sci fi is not science fantasy. Yes they do sometimes cross but not always and not without a crap ton of foreshadowing to make it work usually.
That last bit is just pretencious.

[Rhayak]

Yes, Synthesis is forced. And yes, the results vastly compensate the absence of popular vote.
Shepard makes the leap of faith and everyone in the Galaxy is shot with green energy. Love it or hate it, now you got green DNA.

As i said sometime ago, if a mad scientist set off a bomb that did nothing except making everyone in the world immune to cancer, forever, would people **** and moan because he "didn't have the right"?

The answer is a resounding yes.... but now you can't get cancer, douchebag. Perhaps after a few generations your descendants will have grown the brains to feel thankful.

[ghost9191]

Rhayak wrote...

Yes, Synthesis is forced. And yes, the results vastly compensate the absence of popular vote.
Shepard makes the leap of faith and everyone in the Galaxy is shot with green energy. Love it or hate it, now you got green DNA.

As i said sometime ago, if a mad scientist set off a bomb that did nothing except making everyone in the world immune to cancer, forever, would people **** and moan because he "didn't have the right"?

The answer is a resounding yes.... but now you can't get cancer, douchebag. Perhaps after a few generations your descendants will have grown the brains to feel thankful.

perfect sense, easy to look back at history and say hey that was the right choice. doesn't mean it is at the time. Goes for all of the choices though. but just saying

[Rhayak]

ghost9191 wrote...
perfect sense, easy to look back at history and say hey that was the right choice. doesn't mean it is at the time. Goes for all of the choices though. but just saying

Except for Refuse, which ends history.