wizardryforever wrote...
The Catalyst is the only source of information on the Crucible's inner workings. Thus we either trust what he says and use the Crucible, or we assume he's lying (for God knows what reason) and pick refuse. Don't cherry pick what he may or may not be lying about, because honestly, the proof is nowhere to be found. Ultimately the Crucible options being explained by the Catalyst and not someone we're more inclined to trust was a poor decision on Bioware's part. So much of the dislike for the endings is based around the dislike of the Catalyst and the perception that the Catalyst is in control. That's false, but it is understandable why people feel that way. But regardless, the Catalyst is our only source of information about synthesis, so if we throw what he says out the window, then what are we left with? Speculation and headcanon, and nothing else. You see now why I think we should believe the Catalyst?-Draikin- wrote...
Come to think of it, that last part is yet another horrifying thought. Whatever's left of those entire civilizations that were turned into goo isn't something I'd want to be "connected" with. Shepard's Paragon speech after destroying the Reaper on Rannoch actually states he/she wants those souls to rest in peace. That's also why I dislike Control.pirate1802 wrote...
"The cycle will end, the Reapers will cease their harvest, and the civilzations preserved in their forms will be connected to all of us"Uhm, what? The only contradiction here is what the Catalyst says. Obviously Synthesis IS forced by its very definition. Just because the Catalyst says we're "ready" doesn't mean it's actually true. Legion argued against this kind of evolution in Mass Effect 2. He said the geth rejected the Reaper's proposal to force their evolution and turn them into a Reaper, even when that was more or less their goal. He argued that the process of getting there is as important as the results. Unfortunately Bioware had the Geth do the exact opposite in ME3, but the point was still valid. Mording also argued against a forced evolution like this, citing the uplifting of the Krogan as an example of what happens as a result. Yet all this suddenly doesn't matter in the end. And that's not even counting EDI's "I'm alive" speech, which again tramples on what we learn about EDI and Legion in ME2 and most of ME3. To me it's just another example of how utterly stupid the endings are.wizardyforever wrote...
This doesn't jive with the popular "synthesis forces a change on the galaxy!" line of logic that is so prevalent. It flat-out contradicts it, in fact.
And about Mordin's uplifting dialogue, it doesn't apply because it affects everybody equally. Nobody is being left out, and everyone's core is left the same. The Krogan uplift was so disasterous because the Krogan were lifted with tech, but no one else was given a comparable rise in power. That's the big difference.
EDI says "Only now do I feel alive" at the FOB, and "I am alive" in the epilogue. The key difference is the words "feel" versus "am." It's analogous to a blind person understanding the concept of color, then getting a miracle operation that gives them sight. They realize that their previous understanding of color was hollow, a facsimile of the real thing. I don't see EDI's lines as contradictory in that context.
except the krogans also nuked each other thanks to the technology the salarians brought them, so no, you are wrong. If you were to give rifles to primitive shuman tribes, you would screw up their development even if other civilisations made a super jump forward in their tech.
Also, whether the catalyst lies or no, his logic is fubar, so even if he isn't even tryin to lie, his conclusions are terribad and I question them.
He also doesn't specify what he means by "ready"
Teenagers who undergo puberty are ready to procreate (physically) and also not reeady to procreate (mentally)
Am i ready to fight a war ? tehnicaly, yes, I'm a quite healthy adult and I'd know the basics but I aint mentally prepared for i, nor am I properly trained to be a soldier.
Therefore, The galaxy isn't ready for me. I don't care if technicaly it's possble accordng to the kid, though again,synthesis is stupid space BS, it's not right morally to change everyone without their consent, especially when i know so lttle about th consequences.
Also, reaperss need to die
Modifié par Kamfrenchie, 08 septembre 2012 - 12:12 .
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Was just pointing out that the krogan uplift is not an invalid argument for that reason.
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