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[Jerrybnsn]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

No. I don't miss my warden. I frequently create new contents for him with toolset and other 3D application. He lives and well with Morrigan, traveling together through time and dimension. And continue to do so as long as I live. After all he is my greatest character creation.

But you don't have any problem with Morrigan continuing with the series and interacting with the world of Thedas?

[Ice-Whiz]

Of course, I would love to see her in new adventures, but I would also love to see a new set of characters and find out what they might be up to. But then again I'm not much of a 'hang on to old friends with everything you've got' kind of person.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

No. I don't miss my warden. I frequently create new contents for him with toolset and other 3D application. He lives and well with Morrigan, traveling together through time and dimension. And continue to do so as long as I live. After all he is my greatest character creation.

But you don't have any problem with Morrigan continuing with the series and interacting with the world of Thedas?

There is no guarantee that Morrigan will return to Thedas. We only know from Mike Laidlaw's comments they're not done yet with Morrigan. He never promises that we'll be seeing Morrigan again in DA 3 or DA 4, 5 etc..It could be for a long time. Or it could be just be a wishful idea that never gets the chance to be fullfilled due to unknown circumstances like the death of DA series. But even if Morrigan does re-apper in DA 3 or DA 4, I'll worry about it when the time comes. Until then Morrigan and my Warden's story goes the way I want it to be.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 09 septembre 2012 - 12:46 .

[SmokePants]

I don't miss him. I don't even really think of him as a character to be missed. My lasting memory of him is his reunion with Morrigan, in which he was a blank, staring, mute of a hollow shell. I don't miss the Warden, because there WAS no Warden. He was just a pane of glass.

And that's why PC's talk now.

[Emzamination]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

No. I don't miss my warden. I frequently create new contents for him with toolset and other 3D application. He lives and well with Morrigan, traveling together through time and dimension. And continue to do so as long as I live. After all he is my greatest character creation.

But you don't have any problem with Morrigan continuing with the series and interacting with the world of Thedas?

There is no guarantee that Morrigan will return to Thedas. We only know from Mike Laidlaw's comments they're not done yet with Morrigan. He never promises that we'll be seeing Morrigan again in DA 3 or DA 4, 5 etc..It could be for a long time. Or it could be just be a wishful idea that never gets the chance to be fullfilled due to unknown circumstances like the death of DA series. But even if Morrigan does re-apper in DA 3 or DA 4, I'll worry about it when the time comes. Until then Morrigan and my Warden's story goes the way I want it to be.

Yes she will, morrigan showed up as one of the topics they were thinking of bringing back at Pax and she was in some concept art there too.Also there's David's latest comment regarding the Ogb.

Source

Source

[Fallstar]

I want to know what the hell happened to my canon Warden after he went through the Eluvian, sure. And I would have loved to have played DAO:2 with him. But with DA going the way it is, I'd be perfectly content with a cutscene or even codex entry telling me what happens post WH.

[Get Magna Carter]

Personally, I would be quite happy making up my own stories as to what my warden was doing (maybe in Tevinter trying to free slaves), however, the report of a mysterious disappearance suggests that Bioware has plans which might contradict anything I make up

[Emzamination]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

Personally, I would be quite happy making up my own stories as to what my warden was doing (maybe in Tevinter trying to free slaves), however, the report of a mysterious disappearance suggests that Bioware has plans which might contradict anything I make up

That idea didn't go over so well with the 'best' me3 ending because it only works if you're into reading or writing Fan fiction.Some of us need a absolute fate.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Emzamination wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

No. I don't miss my warden. I frequently create new contents for him with toolset and other 3D application. He lives and well with Morrigan, traveling together through time and dimension. And continue to do so as long as I live. After all he is my greatest character creation.

But you don't have any problem with Morrigan continuing with the series and interacting with the world of Thedas?

There is no guarantee that Morrigan will return to Thedas. We only know from Mike Laidlaw's comments they're not done yet with Morrigan. He never promises that we'll be seeing Morrigan again in DA 3 or DA 4, 5 etc..It could be for a long time. Or it could be just be a wishful idea that never gets the chance to be fullfilled due to unknown circumstances like the death of DA series. But even if Morrigan does re-apper in DA 3 or DA 4, I'll worry about it when the time comes. Until then Morrigan and my Warden's story goes the way I want it to be.

Yes she will, morrigan showed up as one of the topics they were thinking of bringing back at Pax and she was in some concept art there too.

Her concept art was shown at PAX but that's it. No further info was revealed.

Emzamination wrote...

Source

The article was dated 30th August 2011. It's outdated. We already knew one fact by now. Hawke's story is over and there is no further DLC to expand his story with the scrapped of Exalted March.

Emzamination wrote...

Also there's David's latest comment regarding the Ogb.

Source

David Gaider mentioned future games. He didn't spesifically mentioned DA 3. So future games could be DA 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 etc.. provided DA series live that long.

Anyway, it is nice for him to acknowledge at last that some players do deserve OGB's story for accepting DR. The last time I checked, he flatly ruled out OGB's plot entirely.

[Emzamination]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The article was dated 30th August 2011. It's outdated. We already knew
one fact by now. Hawke's story is over and there is no further DLC to
expand his story with the scrapped of Exalted March.

The date is completely Irrelevant to the fact that morrigan was shown as concept art at pax regarding Da3.

David Gaider mentioned future games. He didn't spesifically mentioned DA
3. So future games could be DA 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 etc.. provided DA
series live that long.

David can't say Da3 because he's under a NDA until it's officially announced.Bask in denial if you like, the facts are with me.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Emzamination wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The article was dated 30th August 2011. It's outdated. We already knew
one fact by now. Hawke's story is over and there is no further DLC to
expand his story with the scrapped of Exalted March.

The date is completely Irrelevant to the fact that morrigan was shown as concept art at pax regarding Da3.

The date is relevant when the article is no longer accurate. Things are subjected to changes like the case of Hawke and the companions' story through DLC. The same thing could happen to Morrigan's concept art at the Pax. Like Mike Laidlaw said, nothing is set on the stone yet. 

Emzamination wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

David Gaider mentioned future games. He didn't spesifically mentioned DA
3. So future games could be DA 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 etc.. provided DA
series live that long.

David can't say Da3 because he's under a NDA until it's officially announced.

Then we'll have to wait until he's no longer under a NDA.

Emzamination wrote...

Bask in denial if you like, the facts are with me.

Facts are proven truth. You haven't prove to me anything spesifically about Morrigan in DA 3. Therefore, you have no facts.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:32 .

[Emzamination]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The date is relevant when the article is no longer accurate. Things are
subjected to changes like the case of Hawke and the companions' story
through DLC. The same thing could happen to Morrigan's concept art at
the Pax. Like Mike Laidlaw said, nothing is set on the stone yet. 

Speculation and assumption is not a valid defence.Facts are what we hear from the powers that be and until we hear otherwise it remains fact.

Then we'll have to wait until he's no longer under a NDA.

All the more gratifying

Facts are proven truth. You haven't prove to me anything spesifically about Morrigan in DA 3. Therefore, you have no facts.

See above

Source (3:15) (4:27)

Claudia black (Morrigan) and Steve valentine (Alistair) were recently seen with the bioware coterie at gamescon, now why would that be I wonder?

Modifié par Emzamination, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:50 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Emzamination wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The date is relevant when the article is no longer accurate. Things are
subjected to changes like the case of Hawke and the companions' story
through DLC. The same thing could happen to Morrigan's concept art at
the Pax. Like Mike Laidlaw said, nothing is set on the stone yet. 

Speculation and assumption is not a valid defence.Facts are what we hear from the powers that be and until we hear otherwise it remains fact.

Isn't that what you're doing with vague sources? And we already know your eurogamer.com's source is no longer a fact. It's false statement. You know why? The circumtances had changed. It's not speculation. There is no more Hawke's story and DLC. It's a fact. Your eurogamer.com's failed to address that.

Emzamination wrote...

Then we'll have to wait until he's no longer under a NDA.

All the more gratifying

Of course. It would be a great bonus for DA 3 IF it's become a fact - which is not yet.

Emzamination wrote...

Facts are proven truth. You haven't prove to me anything spesifically about Morrigan in DA 3. Therefore, you have no facts.

See above

Source (3:15) (4:27)

Claudia black (Morrigan) and Steve valentine (Alistair) were recently seen with the bioware coterie at gamescon, now why would that be I wonder?

Let me guess why? Speculation for DA 3?
Come back to me when you do have verified statment from reliable sources that prove to me Morrigan will appear in DA 3. Until then you're just speculating based on vague uncomfirmed information. Good speculation though because I fear BioWare will replaced Claudia Black with different actress who would risk ruining my Morrigan's personality and character. At least I know now, my Morrigan is still played out by Claudia Black.

[Emzamination]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Isn't that what you're doing with vague sources? And we already know
your eurogamer.com's source is no longer a fact. It's false statement.
You know why? The circumtances had changed. It's not speculation. There
is no more Hawke's story and DLC. It's a fact. Your eurogamer.com's
failed to address that.

My sources are not vague, it's fact that morrigan has been shown at pax 2 years in a row regarding Da3.As to the rest of your post regarding Hawke - Source

Can you give me a source that says things have changed with morrigan and she will not be in Da3? If not, it remains fact.

Of course. It would be a great bonus for DA 3 IF it's become a fact - which is not yet.

If you say so boss

Let me guess why? Speculation for DA 3?
Come back to me when you do
have verified statment from reliable sources that prove to me Morrigan
will appear in DA 3. Until then you're just speculating based on vague
uncomfirmed information. Good speculation though because I fear BioWare
will replaced Claudia Black with different actress who would risk
ruining my Morrigan's personality and character. At least I know now, my
Morrigan is still played out by Claudia Black.

Official Bioware statements and media are vague and unconfirmed? Contradiction much? I'm not going to try and convince you, like I said sit in denial all you like.I will however think back to this once Davids no longer under that NDA and become as the Cheshire Cat

Have a pleasant noonday sacred

Modifié par Emzamination, 09 septembre 2012 - 03:30 .

[caradoc2000]

I don't miss the Warden, but I wish the enemies would miss him more often.

[Wulfram]

caradoc2000 wrote...

I don't miss the Warden, but I wish the enemies would miss him more often.

Give them more dexterity.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

[quote]Emzamination wrote...

[quote]Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Isn't that what you're doing with vague sources? And we already know
your eurogamer.com's source is no longer a fact. It's false statement.
You know why? The circumtances had changed. It's not speculation. There
is no more Hawke's story and DLC. It's a fact. Your eurogamer.com's
failed to address that.[/quote]

My sources are not vague, it's fact that morrigan has been shown at pax 2 years in a row regarding Da3.[/quote]
The fact is nothing about Morrigan in DA 3 is verified yet. Morrigan's conceptual art at pax was just a piece of art. Nothing more. You can't based your fact on something like that. The fact is no official statement from BioWare that confirm Morrigan will appear in DA 3. The closest statement comes from David Gaider but even then he didn't spefically mentioned DA 3 Instead he chooses the term "future games" which could litterally meant any future DA titles.


[quote]Emzamination wrote...
As to the rest of your post regarding Hawke - Source [/quote]
A 6 months old post by Mark Darrah. Do you know what happen since then? This is what happen.
[quote]
According to Dragon Age writer David Gaider, the story of the first game's Warden "is over" and the story of Hawke, the second game's protagonist, will continue through future Dragon Age II downloadable content, though BioWare has since announced an end to future Dragon Age II content. Therefore, like the previous games, Dragon Age III will showcase a new protagonist.[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia..../Dragon_Age_III

Here's some some comments from Ninja Stan 4 days ago regarding cancelling DA 2's project spesifically Exalted March DLC.
[quote]
But it happens in game development all the time. Projects get cancelled so teams can concentrate on different projects, scripts get changed, scope is modified, and people move on. Nothing is definite until it's definite, and even then, a developer or publisher can pull the plug at any time. That's just the way it goes, whether we like it or not.  
[/quote]
http://social.biowar...ndex/14001090/1


[quote]Emzamination wrote...

Can you give me a source that says things have changed with morrigan and she will not be in Da3? If not, it remains fact.[/quote]
Nope. I said, there is no gurantee that Morrigan will be in DA 3.


[quote]Emzamination wrote...

Official Bioware statements [/quote]

Officail BioWare statement mentioned nothing is set on stone yet. Conceptual art at PAX is not official statement. Neither with David Gaiders' comments.  "Future games" is vague statement that cannot be taken as a fact. 


[quote]Emzamination wrote...


and media are vague and unconfirmed? Contradiction much? [/quote]
A year old publication done by eurogamer.com is no longer fact. It's outdated and unreliable.


[quote]Emzamination wrote...

I'm not going to try and convince you, like I said sit in denial all you like.I will however think back to this once Davids no longer under that NDA and become as the Cheshire Cat 
[/quote]
I don't expect you to try and convince me. I was just curios and I was hoping you could share some new information. But well... if are interested with DA 3's speculation, I have a better info for you.

[quote]
“The great nation of Orlais, the most powerful empire in Dragon Age, tears itself apart in civil war. The stout men and women of Ferelden struggle to recover and reclaim their nation from the horde of evil Darkspawn that lay waste to its lands a decade ago. The Chantry, the once-unified faith of the Dragon Age world stands divided. the Templar order has broken away, claiming the church has become too lax in policing the dangerous power of mages. The Mage circles have rebelled, believing the Templars have become too strict, zealous in their duties, and too quick to slaughter those who step out of line.

“The world of Dragon Age is one on the brink of collapse, and when desperate gathering in the name of peace becomes the epicenter of a magical blast that decimates the Chantry’s leadership, it becomes clear that someone or something is manipulating events to drive the world into chaos.

“From the ashes of that explosion, something new rises: The Inquisition. As the Inquisitor, it falls to you to build up your power and martial your forces, uncover secrets and build connection across the world. You must explore forgotten spaces, uncover ancient mysteries and uproot those who would destroy the fabric of the world.”[/quote]

[quote]
“A portal between the worlds unleashes hordes of demons in the land, civil wars rip apart nations and the corruption is limitless. Someone is behind the shadows, pulling the strings which destroy the world. Time has come for the Inquisition.

“Take the Inquisitor’s cloak and lead the only force able of bringing light into the darkness. Choose the direct method and gather your armies, send spies into the shadows or engage in a political war, make friends and use your connections indirectly: it is up to you how you lead the inquisition. But you’ll have to take lead of it from the beginning. Make your player a rogue, warrior or mage and set up your crew from up to ten complex companions to lead them against those who attack you by systematically spying on, revealing and destroying them.” [/quote]
source: http://gamerant.com/...-age-3-details/
Make what you will. I hope it helps.  



[quote]Emzamination wrote...



Have a pleasant noonday sacred[/quote]
You too.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:07 .

[Emzamination]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The fact is nothing about Morrigan in DA 3 is verified yet. Morrigan's
conceptual art at pax was just a piece of art. Nothing more. You can't
based your fact on something like that. The fact is no official
statement from BioWare that confirm Morrigan will appear in DA 3. The
closest statement comes from David Gaider but even then he didn't
spefically mentioned DA 3 Instead he chooses the term "future games"
which could litterally meant any future DA titles.

 
Oh but I so very much can.Cassandra's concept art was shown as well and what do we have here in the official bioware head quarters.Then we have the leaked concept art of cullen and this shows up on twitter.By that logic DA 3 isn't in the works either since nothings been 'officially' announced, yet we all know it's coming. There are dozens of tweets involving TTS,Sprintreview day,David being back at work writing,a consumer survey and a whole thread dedicated to what we're looking for in Da3.

Source (2:12) Mike Laidlaw: "I think you can all do some mental math maybe some gymnastics and figure out what we're really talking about"

Why is david so vague? same as mike,  he's under a NDA and can't say anything directly.He can't say "morrigan will have a son in Da3" because that would confirm that dragon age 3 is in production

Point: L2 take a hint

A 6 months old post by Mark Darrah. Do you know what happen since then? This is what happen.

According to Dragon Age writer David Gaider, the story of the first game's Warden "is over" and the story of Hawke, the second game's protagonist, will continue through future Dragon Age II downloadable content, though BioWare has since announced an end to future Dragon Age II content. Therefore, like the previous games, Dragon Age III will showcase a new protagonist.
http://en.wikipedia..../Dragon_Age_III

Totally missed the point of that post didn't you? Mark darrahs post was reaffirming my earlier statement that unless the devs say things have changed, it remains fact.Post-article Da2 story and Dlc were officially scrapped by mark darrah to move on so the article's information on hawke's dlc is no longer valid.However nothing was said about scrapping morrigan, infact she shows up a few months after that post at pax da3 panel.

Here's some some comments from Ninja Stan 4 days ago regarding cancelling DA 2's project spesifically Exalted March DLC.

Nothing is definite until it's definite, and even then, a developer or publisher can pull the plug at any time. That's just the way it goes, whether we like it or not.  

http://social.biowar...ndex/14001090/1

In practice yes but in reality Ea is not going to scrap one of its top IP.The thought of it is quite humorous actually.

Nope. I said, there is no gurantee that Morrigan will be in DA 3.

There is no gurantee there will be another dragon age game ever again but as we have it as of this moment, all bets point to on.

Officail BioWare statement mentioned nothing is set on stone yet.
Conceptual art at PAX is not official statement. Neither with David
Gaiders' comments.  "Future games" is vague statement that cannot be
taken as a fact. 

Please refer to the above

A year old publication done by eurogamer.com is no longer fact. It's outdated and unreliable.

Sorry, that's a disingenuous statement, Information never becomes obsolete until you have new information to point to the contrary.The only unreliablity is your self-insert assumption that they've scrapped morrigan till a future Dragon age project even tho they're promoting her in media for Da3.

I don't expect you to try and convince me. I was just curios and I was hoping you could share some new information. But well... if are interested with DA 3's speculation, I have a better info for you.


“The great nation of Orlais, the most powerful empire in Dragon Age, tears itself apart in civil war. The stout men and women of Ferelden struggle to recover and reclaim their nation from the horde of evil Darkspawn that lay waste to its lands a decade ago. The Chantry, the once-unified faith of the Dragon Age world stands divided. the Templar order has broken away, claiming the church has become too lax in policing the dangerous power of mages. The Mage circles have rebelled, believing the Templars have become too strict, zealous in their duties, and too quick to slaughter those who step out of line.

“The world of Dragon Age is one on the brink of collapse, and when desperate gathering in the name of peace becomes the epicenter of a magical blast that decimates the Chantry’s leadership, it becomes clear that someone or something is manipulating events to drive the world into chaos.

“From the ashes of that explosion, something new rises: The Inquisition. As the Inquisitor, it falls to you to build up your power and martial your forces, uncover secrets and build connection across the world. You must explore forgotten spaces, uncover ancient mysteries and uproot those who would destroy the fabric of the world.”

That sypnosis isn't news to me , I was the one to leak it from a 'unverified' survey

Source

Source

Source

Source

You posting that leak as evidence and questioning my sources at the same time is quite Humorous

Modifié par Emzamination, 09 septembre 2012 - 06:27 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

[quote]Emzamination wrote...

[quote]Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

The fact is nothing about Morrigan in DA 3 is verified yet. Morrigan's
conceptual art at pax was just a piece of art. Nothing more. You can't
based your fact on something like that. The fact is no official
statement from BioWare that confirm Morrigan will appear in DA 3. The
closest statement comes from David Gaider but even then he didn't
spefically mentioned DA 3 Instead he chooses the term "future games"
which could litterally meant any future DA titles.[/quote]
 
Oh but I so very much can.Cassandra's concept art was shown as well and what do we have here in the official bioware head quarters.Then we have the leaked concept art of cullen and this shows up on twitter.By that logic DA 3 isn't in the works either since nothings been 'officially' announced, yet we all know it's coming. There are dozens of tweets involving TTS,Sprintreview day,David being back at work writing,a consumer survey and a whole thread dedicated to what we're looking for in Da3.[/quote]
Concept arts are not proof. You can intrepret and claim anything about it.  In the same manner you can intrepret  David Gaiders' statement "future games" as DA 4 or DA 5 or DA 6 etc. 

DA 3 doesn't need official announcement to know works are in progress. 

This alone is undeniable evidence that DA 3 exist and we know about it since 20th May 2011. 

http://www.joystiq.c...irector-tweets/

[quote]Emzamination wrote...

Source (2:12) Mike Laidlaw: "I think you can all do some mental math maybe some gymnastics and figure out what we're really talking about"

Why is david so vague? same as mike,  he's under a NDA and can't say anything directly.He can't say "morrigan will have a son in Da3" because that would confirm that dragon age 3 is in production[/quote]
That's the reason why it is not a fact. You can't take anything as fact without proof. And you can't prove anything without confirmation. Evidences need to be tested, verified, peer reviewed, etc and lastly universally accepted because fact is the absolute truth. As long as there is room for argument ( like we did here ) then it's not a fact.   



[quote]Emzamination wrote...

Totally missed the point of that post didn't you? Mark darrahs post was reaffirming my earlier statement that unless the devs say things have changed, it remains fact.Post-article Da2 story and Dlc were officially scrapped by mark darrah to move on so the article's information on hawke's dlc is no longer valid.However nothing was said about scrapping morrigan, infact she shows up a few months after that post at pax da3 panel.[/quote]
And you are missing the point either. The reason for me to bring out Hawke's story and DLC is because your source eurogamer.com claim that BioWare will continue Hawke's story and companions through DLC - which is no longer true. In  other word, you are basing your fact with evidence or source that is no longer accurate such as eurogamer.com.
 

[quote]Emzamination wrote...


In practice yes but in reality Ea is not going to scrap one of its top IP.The thought of it is quite humorous actually.[/quote]
I never claim EA going to scrap DA 3. I only said, there is no gurantee that Morrigan will be in DA 3.


[quote]Emzamination wrote...


[quote] Nope. I said, there is no gurantee that Morrigan will be in DA 3.[/quote]

There is no gurantee there will be another dragon age game ever again but as we have it as of this moment, all bets point to on. [/quote]
There is gurantee for DA 3. A call by BioWare creative lead Alistair McNally for new artists. "I'm looking for exceptional environment artists to join me at #BioWare Edmonton, Canada to work on #DragonAge3," is an undeniable proof. Refer to my link above.




[quote]Emzamination wrote...

[quote]A year old publication done by eurogamer.com is no longer fact. It's outdated and unreliable. [/quote]

Sorry, that's a disingenuous statement, Information never becomes obsolete until you have new information to point to the contrary.[/quote]
But we do have new information that make your source eurogamer.com's statement published a year ago obsolote. Hawke's story is over. There is no further DLC and BioWare already scrapped DA 2's project. Hence, what you claim as  fact is not a fact anymore.


[quote]Emzamination wrote...


The only unreliablity is your self-insert assumption that they've scrapped morrigan till a future Dragon age project even tho they're promoting her in media for Da3.[/quote]
Nope, I repeat again I said there is no gurantee that Morrigan will be in DA 3. Promoting her images without clarifying whether she'll be in DA 3 meant nothing. Just like the first trailer of DA 2 which promote Flemeth and her army of Morrigans - And we know now it never happens in DA 2.


[quote]Emzamination wrote...



That sypnosis isn't news to me , I was the one to leak it from a 'unverified' survey

Source

Source

Source

Source

You posting that leak as evidence and questioning my sources at the same time is quite Humorous

[/quote]
I post that since you are so interested with Speculation and not fact? And yes I think those source are just speculation and not fact.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 09 septembre 2012 - 07:22 .

[Emzamination]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...


 Concept arts are not proof. You can intrepret and claim anything about
it.  In the same manner you can intrepret  David Gaiders' statement
"future games" as DA 4 or DA 5 or DA 6 etc. 

DA 3 doesn't need official announcement to know works are in progress. 

This alone is undeniable evidence that DA 3 exist and we know about it since 20th May 2011. 

http://www.joystiq.c...irector-tweets/

Let me get this straight...Mcnally puts out a twitter message asking for Artist and you're convinced Da3 is coming. But cassandra da3 concept art ending up on the bioware elevator, greg ellis in vo after cullen concept art, claudia hanging with the bioware Da team at gamescon after morrigan concept art, yet the concept art is in no way credible?

*cough* bias *cough*

That's the reason why it is not a fact. You can't take anything as fact
without proof. And you can't prove anything without confirmation.
Evidences need to be tested, verified, peer reviewed, etc and lastly
universally accepted because fact is the absolute truth. As long as
there is room for argument ( like we did here ) then it's not a fact.

  
*cough* bias *cough*

And you are missing the point either. The reason for me to bring out
Hawke's story and DLC is because your source eurogamer.com claim that
BioWare will continue Hawke's story and companions through DLC - which
is no longer true. In  other word, you are basing your fact with
evidence or source that is no longer accurate such as eurogamer.com.

Not even bothering to read my post anymore in favor of Bias
 

I never claim EA going to scrap DA 3. I only said, there is no gurantee that Morrigan will be in DA 3.

There's no gurantee of anything but I've given evidence that she will while all you continue to give is denial and nothing else to point to the contrary

There is gurantee for DA 3. A call by BioWare creative lead Alistair
McNally for new artists. "I'm looking for exceptional environment
artists to join me at #BioWare Edmonton, Canada to work on #DragonAge3,"
is an undeniable proof. Refer to my link above.

Mcnally could be trolling just like greg ellis was about that VO session or mike was about cassandra.How do you know it's accurate? Have you applied?

But we do have new information that make your source eurogamer.com's
statement published a year ago obsolote. Hawke's story is over. There is
no further DLC and BioWare already scrapped DA 2's project. Hence, what
you claim as  fact is not a fact anymore.

... And what does that have to do with the unrelated morrigan pax portion of the artical?

Nope, I repeat again I said there is no gurantee that Morrigan will be
in DA 3. Promoting her images without clarifying whether she'll be in DA
3 meant nothing. Just like the first trailer of DA 2 which promote
Flemeth and her army of Morrigans - And we know now it never happens in
DA 2.

Yes the bioware certainly love to waste their time showing us images of characters they don't plan to use for years down the road, silly me.Regarding Da2, flemeth showed and morrigan was suppose to make an appearance in a future expansion of da2 but they ceased all operations to work on Da3 which makes your claims of morrigan showing up in later games all the more ludicrous.

I post that since you are so interested with Speculation and not fact? And yes I think those source are just speculation and not fact.

cullen and mark darrah disagree with you So does EA's legal division

[jackofalltrades456]

I can't find the post, but didn't David Gaider state that it would be difficult to bring back Morrigan due to her ending with a romanced Warden during Witch Hunt? Unlike Leliana or Zevran who simply traveled with the Warden for bit then parted way, Morrigan's ending makes it hard to write him out if he traveled with her through the mirror.

[Emzamination]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

I can't find the post, but didn't David Gaider state that it would be difficult to bring back Morrigan due to her ending with a romanced Warden during Witch Hunt? Unlike Leliana or Zevran who simply traveled with the Warden for bit then parted way, Morrigan's ending makes it hard to write him out if he traveled with her through the mirror.

Not to my knowlege but he did leave this post a few weeks ago which says she'll come back - Source

[PinkShoes]

I loved all my Waldens but their stories ended so no not really. I miss the fun i had with them though

[Rawgrim]

The story got wrapped up pretty well, so I don`t miss my Warden at all. the fellow was level 30 anyway. i wouldn`t want to start off at level 30 in DA3 or something.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Emzamination wrote...
Let me get this straight...Mcnally puts out a twitter message asking for Artist and you're convinced Da3 is coming.

Ally Mcnally clearly and spesifically stated the hiring was for DA 3.

Emzamination wrote...

But cassandra da3 concept art ending up on the bioware elevator, greg ellis in vo after cullen concept art, claudia hanging with the bioware Da team at gamescon after morrigan concept art, yet the concept art is in no way credible?

Concept arts are just ideas that may or may not be materialize in actual game. Nothing indicates that they're for DA 3. Possibility is not definite answer to absolute truth. Therefore they're not fact.

Emzamination wrote...

Mcnally could be trolling just like greg ellis was about that VO session or mike was about cassandra.How do you know it's accurate? Have you applied?

Irrelevant. The point is McNally did mention DA 3, loud and clear,  while none of so your so-called evidences make any clarifying statement that the materials are related to DA 3 or future DA titles or simply promotion materials which may or may not be in actual games.

Emzamination wrote...

But we do have new information that make your source eurogamer.com's 
statement published a year ago obsolote. Hawke's story is over. There is
no further DLC and BioWare already scrapped DA 2's project. Hence, what
you claim as  fact is not a fact anymore.

... And what does that have to do with the unrelated morrigan pax portion of the artical?

None. It' was to dismiss your claim that you have facts. Your source from eurogamer.com is proven obsolute and unreliable. You failed to prove that Morrigan's concept art at PAX is related to DA 3's without doubt. The point is you have no facts. Merely evidence of speculation. 

Emzamination wrote...

Yes the bioware certainly love to waste their time showing us images of characters they don't plan to use for years down the road, silly me.Regarding Da2, flemeth showed and morrigan was suppose to make an appearance in a future expansion of da2 but they ceased all operations to work on Da3 which makes your claims of morrigan showing up in later games all the more ludicrous.

No. It's simply tell the fact that nothing is definite until it's definite. Ninja Stan is right.

Until you can show me evidences that clearly related to DA 3's product without doubt, and not just promoting materials or ideas that may or may not be materialized, you have no facts. You only speculate based on rumors and other unverified sorces.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 10 septembre 2012 - 02:55 .