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[ShadowLordXII]

 Does anyone else think that the cancellation of the DA2 expansion, Exalted March was a move that will one day come back to bite Bioware and fans/gamers?

Bioware says that they're moving resources off towards the next project in the Dragon Age series, but that it isn't DA3.  Or maybe it is DA3.  But it just seems somewhat ill-called for DA2's planned expansion to be completely scrapped.  Sure, it had mix-views from gamers and fans, but name one Bioware game that hasn't had the same thing or some sort of controversy.

Was this affected by the ME3 ending controversy? Did Bioware lose faith in the DA2 line of development? Or did Bioware decide to scrap the expansion on it's own?

Either way, it's shame that DA2 is ended on this note after the hopeful and warm reception of Legacy and Mark of the Assassin from gamers like myself.  Or that there's a lot of people who really liked DA2 and would've loved an expansion that would have addressed what we didn't like about DA2 (recycled areas; weak 3rd Act; unbalanced conflict).

Or maybe it's best to just let a tired horse lie down?

[Korusus]

I honestly don't believe the DA2 DLC sold very well. I am of the very firm opinion that Dragon Age 2 is the single worst game BioWare has ever developed and that it was received as such by the vast majority of gamers. Furthermore I believe that it only sold as well as it did because of Dragon Age: Origins being one of the best games BioWare has ever developed. All that said I have no problem whatever with them canceling the expansion and rolling those resources into DA3, because no matter how good DA2's DLC may have been, they won't really undo the damage that DA2 caused until they release an excellent quality DA3.

And it's not just Dragon Age, it's BioWare as a whole that is riding on DA3 being a runaway hit.

[Renmiri1]

I loved DA2 and DAO both. I actually play DA2 a lot more as do most gamers.. There is a survey somewhere that shows a lot more people complete DA2 than DAO.

I don't think it was a bad move. All they have to do is include the content in DA3.

But Bioware has made it's share of dumb myopic decisions with ME3 so who knows what will happen ?

[ev76]

I hope they implement the exalted march into the next thing. Maybe when we choose a class that is where our story will begin. Depending on class you choose is what will determine what side of the march your in.

[Face of Evil]

I heard that the DA2 DLC did sell pretty well. I can only reason that if it hadn't, they wouldn't have been planning an expansion.

I still believe that the cancellation of Exalted March had something to do with the next gen console. But that's just a guess.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 06 septembre 2012 - 03:29 .

[Ninja Stan]

If you mean that people are going to complain, wish it hadn't been cancelled, and use its cancellation as a reason why the game is not what they wanted, then yes, that is exactly what will happen, just as people use the lack of a KotOR 3 to justify their hatred of SWTOR.

But it happens in game development all the time. Projects get cancelled so teams can concentrate on different projects, scripts get changed, scope is modified, and people move on. Nothing is definite until it's definite, and even then, a developer or publisher can pull the plug at any time. That's just the way it goes, whether we like it or not.

[FaWa]

Why even bother? Aside from paid review sites and the occasional poster here, the game has been universally considered a failure. Yes the DLCs were very very good, but in the end I think BioWare would prefer to make a very very good game instead.

[Zack_Nero]

Well, I don't think this will bite BioWare in the a**, it was probably a smart move to cancel any projects involved with DA2 and start with any other projects like DA3. I know that BioWare hasn't confirmed or commented on the rumor (at least I don't think they have). DA2 already bite BioWare in the a**, while combat and dialogue had improved, everything else had suffered went is why am having a problem just to pick up the controller and start playing it.

[Anvos]

Honestly I'm not sure why as the DLC in my opinion made DA2 a far better game.

[Scarlet Rabbi]

Simple question: Would Bioware have cancelled this expansion if it would've turned a profit? Of course not, hell no. DA2 was a lost cause and no DLC or expansion would've saved it. Like someone else said the two story-driven DLCs were actually pretty good, but, you know, a band-aid isn't gonna do much for a shotgun wound.

Bioware is a BUSINESS first and foremost, a corporation. When they say Exalted March was scrapped because of 'other DA opportunities', it means that the better thing to do, financially, is to let DA2 die (thank the gods) and focus on the next big thing. Artistic integrity had nothing to do with it. If Bioware thought Exalted March would've sold well, you can bet your last dollar we'd be playing it right now.

[ShadowLordXII]

yeah...time will tell as to whether or not this was a good call. Plus, I'm speaking as a player who liked DA2 instead of from a business standpoint.

Sometimes its best to withdraw from a lost battle and that's what happened here....

DA3 comes out in 2013/2014 and I'm looking forward to it...

Assuming the world doesn't end in a few months...(Not that I believe it will)

[batlin]

Ninja Stan wrote...

If you mean that people are going to complain, wish it hadn't been cancelled, and use its cancellation as a reason why the game is not what they wanted, then yes, that is exactly what will happen, just as people use the lack of a KotOR 3 to justify their hatred of SWTOR.

Good god, is this actually how Bioware employees think?

SWTOR sucks because they spent $200 million developing a game that has less content and is more buggy than vanilla Wolrd of Warcraft. Not because it isn't KotOR 3.

Modifié par batlin, 06 septembre 2012 - 12:58 .

[TMJfin]

Umm, batlin... Ninja Stan doesn't work at BioWare anymore, just sayin'

[Realmzmaster]

batlin wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

If you mean that people are going to complain, wish it hadn't been cancelled, and use its cancellation as a reason why the game is not what they wanted, then yes, that is exactly what will happen, just as people use the lack of a KotOR 3 to justify their hatred of SWTOR.

Good god, is this actually how Bioware employees think?

SWTOR sucks because they spent $200 million developing a game that has less content and is more buggy than vanilla Wolrd of Warcraft. Not because it isn't KotOR 3.

Ninja Stan no longer works for Bioware. The opinion he expresses here are his own. He chooses to stay on as a moderator.  And the first part of his statement is correct. The second part of the quote you reference expresses some of the opinions I have seen on this forum. Not the majority,  but it has been expressed.

The second paragraph of Ninja Stan's reply simply shows how business works. Many products never make it out the door.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 06 septembre 2012 - 01:59 .

[Teddie Sage]

I personally think it was a mistake to let it go. Hawke's storyline wasn't finished. These characters still had more stories to tell. I wish to play again as my Hawke in Dragon Age 3. I'm probably asking too much, but I love my Hawke and his companions.

[FieryDove]

batlin wrote...

Good god, is this actually how Bioware employees think?

SWTOR sucks because they spent $200 million developing a game that has less content and is more buggy than vanilla Wolrd of Warcraft. Not because it isn't KotOR 3.

I would not say suck...but yes, less content. Promised expanded content was nixxed maybe forever. VO is huge budget and I think ToR is run with a skeleton developer crew now. Where is Georg!!!!  

Tor Dev's tried too hard to appease the loud minority -hard core gamers. The casuals are the ones lost and ftp isn't the only answer much needs work. Not everyone lives to pvp/raid nightly for hours on end. (I find that very boring)

Crafting (was it added as an afterthought?) needs huge improvements and other (non) combat options need to be added asap. Along with many quality of life issues. Legacy addressed some, but not everyone has 10 lives to roll legacies on each server. There needs to be things addressed now...yesterday would have been good too.

But doubtful much will happen. I really think EA pulled the plug like 2 months after launch...the signs were all pointing to it even back then.

Edit:
Oh topic...

As to Hawke... They said his story was not done...but I'm guessing it is now? Anyone heard?

Modifié par FieryDove, 06 septembre 2012 - 06:40 .

[Sharn01]

batlin wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

If you mean that people are going to complain, wish it hadn't been cancelled, and use its cancellation as a reason why the game is not what they wanted, then yes, that is exactly what will happen, just as people use the lack of a KotOR 3 to justify their hatred of SWTOR.

Good god, is this actually how Bioware employees think?

SWTOR sucks because they spent $200 million developing a game that has less content and is more buggy than vanilla Wolrd of Warcraft. Not because it isn't KotOR 3.

Your statement is completely false, you may not like TOR and that is completely cool, you like what you like, but the game released with more content then Vanilla WoW by a long shot, and has roughly the content currently of early Burning Crusade, this is a fact. 

As to the bugs, WOW had tons of bugs, most of those bugs remained from the time the game released and where still present when I stopped playing during WotLK, not only did they rarely fix bugs, but they constantly added new ones.  If you want to bash game makers in general about problems with bugs in games that never get fixed I would be right there with you, but singling out TOR as an inferior game for behaving the exact same way as other games in regards to bug fixes isnt fair,  its a problem with gaming in general and is not unique to TOR. 

The game has no more, and I would say fewer bugs then WoW, the only problem is that some of their bugs seem to constantly pop up in end game instances, which means everyone has to deal with them and they have to be worked around or fixed for people to fully experience the content.  If you wanted to point fingers at TOR for bugs, that is probably the one accurate statement you could make against it, that game breaking bugs seem to pop up on end game instances, particularly operations, these bugs do however get fixed, since they are high priority.

Modifié par Sharn01, 06 septembre 2012 - 06:56 .

[ScotGaymer]

To the user who said DA2 is Bioware's worst game.

That is a matter of opinion.

For me Mass Effect 3 was a bigger disappointment and more of a failure than DA2. When I rated DA2 on metacritic i gave it a 7.5 out of 10; and ME3 got a 6 out of 10.

[Ianamus]

I think that cancelling the expansion was the right move. I'd rather they move away from Dragon Age 2 and it's flaws and focus on creating a new, better game. The DLC's may have been an improvement, and the expansion may have been very good, but I did not buy the DLC's and would have not bought the expansion, because while I thought Dragon Age 2 was an ok game I didn't find it fun and engaging enough to warrant buying DLC/expansions, and I believe that many feel the same. 

I would rather that the time and ideas were spent making the next Dragon Age game great, rather than being spent making an add-on to what many regard as a merely average game. 

I do want to know what became of the characters in Dragon Age 2, but this can be done via cameo's and codex entries in the next game, rather than having an entire expansion dedicated to it. 

batlin wrote...

Good god, is this actually how Bioware employees think?

SWTOR sucks because they spent $200 million developing a game that has less content and is more buggy than vanilla Wolrd of Warcraft. Not because it isn't KotOR 3.

SWTOR failed for me, and I didn't really enjoy it at all. I'm still not entirely sure why I dislked it so much, since I enjoyed World of Warcraft when I played it and am currently enjoying Guild Wars 2.

I think the problem is that general questing is just tediously boring, and completely ruins the pace of the story. I felt that the story elements of SWTOR were the best bit, as everything else was just a watered down and less impressive copy of World of Warcraft. I enjoyed my Sith Warriors story but I despised the long periods of farming and pointless quests that had nothing to do with my story.

At the end of the second act it felt like my story was really progressing and felt epic, but then as soon as the second act ended it was just back to boring, basic tasks that didn't further my characters story in any way. 

If anything SWTOR's major fault is that Bioware's games are all about story, and a sucessful story is largely about good pacing and good progression. Since MMO's have such fixed progression/pacing a story-driven game in the MMO format just fell flat, and I felt that those stories would have worked far better in a single player game. 

Guild Wars 2 handles it's story elements much better. Your character has a story, but the story is more of a side-element, not a main focus of the game. This means that it is only occasional missions, and you can ignore it entirely and do your own thing. I think it really just highlights that Guild Wars 2 is a game designed to be an MMO, with a story element designed to fit the game while SWTOR was a Bioware story driven game shoehorned into a MMO format where it didn't really fit, and it showed.

Modifié par EJ107, 06 septembre 2012 - 07:30 .

[NKKKK]

If you mean that people are going to complain, wish it hadn't been cancelled, and use its cancellation as a reason why the game is not what they wanted, then yes, that is exactly what will happen, just as people use the lack of a KotOR 3 to justify their hatred of SWTOR.

HA!

That is a matter of opinion.

Except it's an opinion of a large chunk of the fan base.

[Teddie Sage]

Except it's an opinion of a large chunk of the fan base.

This means absolutely nothing. Liking or hating a game is subjective. Stats and shenanigans like that don't matter. It just proves that people will use numbers when they like or hate something as a poor argument to shove their opinion in people's faces.

[devSin]

As long as it wasn't canceled simply to implement multiplayer, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think it will have any appreciable impact long-term, although I really did want to see them finish and release it. I think I'll always believe they could have found a way to make it work and still get most of what they wanted to get in return for canceling work on DA2.

ShadowLordXII wrote...

Was this affected by the ME3 ending controversy? Did Bioware lose faith in the DA2 line of development? Or did Bioware decide to scrap the expansion on it's own?

The decision was made quite some time before ME3 was even released.

David said they were confident in the expansion, but it was felt that moving everybody to the next thing was the right decision for the franchise.

Mike has later said that we might hopefully see why once we're able to see what they're working on. But like I said, if it's just multiplayer, I will be officially disappointed in Mark.

[Dragoonlordz]

The assets will probably be used in DA3 so I do not consider it a bad thing in the end. While it is a shame never came out for DA2 for those who really liked that game I do not think at all that the assets will go to waste it is just they will probably get to see those elements in the next game.