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[Dragoonlordz]

batlin wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

If you mean that people are going to complain, wish it hadn't been cancelled, and use its cancellation as a reason why the game is not what they wanted, then yes, that is exactly what will happen, just as people use the lack of a KotOR 3 to justify their hatred of SWTOR.

Good god, is this actually how Bioware employees think?

SWTOR sucks because they spent $200 million developing a game that has less content and is more buggy than vanilla Wolrd of Warcraft. Not because it isn't KotOR 3.

Actually a lot of people have stated themselves on here many times that they hated it because they wanted Kotor3 instead. What he said was factually true. Just like they do with DA titles and the whole "spiritual successor to BG" aspect.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 septembre 2012 - 10:05 .

[BubbleDncr]

They probably canceled the DA2 expansion before they ever told us they did. I was disappointed, since they had all their T-Shirt teases that made it look like it was going to be an exalted march on Kirkwall - which I though would have been awesome!.

I'm guessing they decided to cancel it either because they decided it wasn't worth the effort for the amount of copies they think they'd sell - which would have been figured through DLC sales, or surveys, or because they needed to move all their resources onto DA3 in order to get it out by a certain date - which could be determined by when the next xbox and ps come out.

My guess is that it won't be covered in DA3, but what would have happened will be mentioned. Simply because the expansion would have been involving Hawke, but we're no longer playing as Hawke. So, if the expansion had been about an Exalted March on Kirkwall, someone will just mention at some point that it occurred and what happened.

[batlin]

TMJfin wrote...

Umm, batlin... Ninja Stan doesn't work at BioWare anymore, just sayin'

He wasn't let go for his denial about why recent Bioware games are panned, though.

FieryDove wrote...

Tor Dev's tried too hard to appease the loud minority -hard core gamers.

Are you joking here? The game is a very bare-bones WoW, a far cry from The Old Republic franchise's previous turn-based d20 system; changing it to real-time standardized MMO gameplay is pretty clearly an attempt to appease casuals, not hardcore gamers.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Actually a lot of people have stated themselves on here many times that they hated it because they wanted Kotor3 instead. What he said was factually true. Just like they do with DA titles and the whole "spiritual successor to BG" aspect.

I think a lot of you are misrepresenting this sentiment. I can't recall many times I've seen the phrase "I hate SWTOR because it's not KOTOR 3."

However, I have seen the phrase "I hate SWTOR, why couldn't we have KOTOR 3 instead?" very often.

These sentiments are not one and the same.

Modifié par batlin, 06 septembre 2012 - 10:34 .

[BubbleDncr]

batlin wrote...

TMJfin wrote...

Umm, batlin... Ninja Stan doesn't work at BioWare anymore, just sayin'

He wasn't let go for his denial about why recent Bioware games are panned, though.

FieryDove wrote...

Tor Dev's tried too hard to appease the loud minority -hard core gamers.

Are you joking here? The game is a very bare-bones WoW. The Old Republic franchise had previously been a turn-based d20 system; changing it to real-time standardized MMO gameplay is pretty clearly an attempt to appease casuals, not hardcore gamers.

As someone who played swtor for 6 months when i came out, I can definately support this and say that the hardcore gamers claimed the devs were too focused on the casual players.

[Dragoonlordz]

batlin wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Actually a lot of people have stated themselves on here many times that they hated it because they wanted Kotor3 instead. What he said was factually true. Just like they do with DA titles and the whole "spiritual successor to BG" aspect.

I think a lot of you are misrepresenting this sentiment. I can't recall many times I've seen the phrase "I hate SWTOR because it's not KOTOR 3."

However, I have seen the phrase "I hate SWTOR, why couldn't we have KOTOR 3 instead?" very often.

These sentiments are not one and the same.

Either way, it is a hatred of a game because it is not the game they wanted to have been made instead.

Which is what Stan was talking about. Symantics put aside.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 septembre 2012 - 10:38 .

[batlin]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Either it is a hatred of a game because it is not the game they wanted to have been made instead.

Which is what Stan was talking about.

Not really, the first is saying the game is bad because it is not the game they wanted.

The second is saying the game is bad and they would rather have another game.

See, in the second sentiment the badness of SWTOR is dependent on the merits of the game itself rather than the desire of that player.

[Dragoonlordz]

batlin wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Either it is a hatred of a game because it is not the game they wanted to have been made instead.

Which is what Stan was talking about.

Not really, the first is saying the game is bad because it is not the game they wanted.

The second is saying the game is bad and they would rather have another game.

See, in the second sentiment the badness of SWTOR is dependent on the merits of the game itself rather than the desire of that player.

A lot of those people who you claim used the second phrase have never even played the game, never had any interest in the game from the start. They decided to hate it is based on it not being something they wanted to be created regardless of how good the game actually might be.

[cJohnOne]

I'd like to point out that expansions are usually cheaper and don't sell as well as the regular title. So from a profit stand point going with DA3 is a no brainer.

It's a wonder that they have expansions at all if that's the case.

[Renmiri1]

I played WoW for the last 5 years and raided semi-hardcore 3 x /week until recently. I played SWTOR from launch till I got my "founder" badge two months later. Never held my interest.

Granted, I hate leveling up and only did it to my WoW toons because there was no way around it. (Although Goblin start area is pretty fun).

SWTOR should have done what WoW beta does and let you have premades at level 85 all geared up, to let you experience endgame. Then after you are "hooked" you can slog through leveling from 1-90 because you have the endgame drawing you in.

[NKKKK]

Come on guys TOR has great things like Revan and Surik and....jajajajajaj I can't finish that with a straight face.

[Fast Jimmy]

Renmiri1 wrote...

I played WoW for the last 5 years and raided semi-hardcore 3 x /week until recently. I played SWTOR from launch till I got my "founder" badge two months later. Never held my interest.

Granted, I hate leveling up and only did it to my WoW toons because there was no way around it. (Although Goblin start area is pretty fun).

SWTOR should have done what WoW beta does and let you have premades at level 85 all geared up, to let you experience endgame. Then after you are "hooked" you can slog through leveling from 1-90 because you have the endgame drawing you in.

The problem with that? WoW's endgame is exciting and fun. ToR's is pretty desolate and empty. To skip all of the leveling up would be to skip the game.

[Chromie]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

I played WoW for the last 5 years and raided semi-hardcore 3 x /week until recently. I played SWTOR from launch till I got my "founder" badge two months later. Never held my interest.

Granted, I hate leveling up and only did it to my WoW toons because there was no way around it. (Although Goblin start area is pretty fun).

SWTOR should have done what WoW beta does and let you have premades at level 85 all geared up, to let you experience endgame. Then after you are "hooked" you can slog through leveling from 1-90 because you have the endgame drawing you in.

The problem with that? WoW's endgame is exciting and fun. ToR's is pretty desolate and empty. To skip all of the leveling up would be to skip the game.

Well that's another problem with 1-50 in TOR. Vanilla WoW had much more quests than TOR does now which made reaching the endgame take months I took 7 months just to reach 60 and several more just to start raids. I still have fond memories of LBRS runs that could take all day.

TOR because of the voice acting has a very short grind which imo hurts the game. It's not GW2 that has fantastic pvp or dynamic quests it's WoW+voice acting. Nothing special and once it's over the story stops and you realize there isn't much left to do.

[batlin]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

A lot of those people who you claim used the second phrase have never even played the game, never had any interest in the game from the start. They decided to hate it is based on it not being something they wanted to be created regardless of how good the game actually might be.

Oh look, a baseless conclusion. I guess that's par for the course for people who insist people's only problem with SWTOR is that it's not KOTOR 3.

Modifié par batlin, 07 septembre 2012 - 12:55 .

[Dragoonlordz]

I went off MMO's long ago, it's all grinding with no real endgame especially in titles like WoW. The only real endgame in MMO's is pretty much these days when they shut down the servers for the final time. The worst aspect of ones like WoW however is there is pretty much zero difference from the moment you leave the starting zone you end up just reapeting the same thing over and over. At first was okay, PvP was okay, some boss fights were okay and some loot looked cool enough but the novelty wears off after while.

[Dragoonlordz]

batlin wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

A lot of those people who you claim used the second phrase have never even played the game, never had any interest in the game from the start. They decided to hate it is based on it not being something they wanted to be created regardless of how good the game actually might be.

How did you come to that conclusion? Oh look, a baseless conclusion. I guess that's par for the course for people who insist people's only problem with SWTOR is that it's not KOTOR 3.

Because I have seen people say it many times long ago and later when questioned said never played it and never would because was not sort of game wanted. That they wanted SP sequel to Kotor not an MMO. Being an MMO was enough for them to hate it, not being what they wanted is why they hated it. Many at the time around it's release never played it and never intended too because of what it is compared to what it is not. What it was is an MMO called ToR, what it was not was a single player Kotor3.

I am however curious what you think trying to change the semantics will accomplish in this discussion. Stanley said people hated that was not Kotor3, they did and if scroll back to when the game came out on these forums it was very much what many said. Also do not get your panties in a twist, he never said was the only reason and neither did I.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:03 .

[The_11thDoctor]

Im glad they cancelled the dlc/ expansions. Not that I hated them. I loved Legancy or which ever one improved the fighting mech. It was a great meld of DAO and DA2. But honestly, I rather have the team focus on DA3 or whatever the title they go with on the next DA game. Asunder made me excited for the future, so I hope we get a great game out of our wait. Just wish there was new news on it. Been a drought for a long time...

[batlin]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Because I have seen people say it many times long ago and later when questioned said never played it and never would because was not sort of game wanted. That they wanted SP sequel to Kotor not an MMO. Being an MMO was enough for them to hate it, not being what they wanted is why they hated it. Many at the time around it's release never played it and never intended too because of what it is compared to what it is not. What it was is an MMO called ToR, what it was not was a single player Kotor3.

In that case I would say you misinterpreted them again. Not wanting SWTOR because it's not KOTOR 3 is not the same thing as thinking SWTOR is a bad game because it's not KOTOR 3.

I am however curious what you think trying to change the semantics will accomplish in this discussion. Stanley said people hated that was not Kotor3, they did and if scroll back to when the game came out on these forums it was very much what many said. Also do not get your panties in a twist, he never said was the only reason and neither did I.

It's not semantics. Calling the game bad because it's not another game is not the same thing as wanting another game instead of what we were given. Prefering SP games over MMOs does not mean the person thinks SWTOR is bad. Stan said people use KOTOR 3 to justify their dislike of SWTOR, as if there weren't a plethora of serious issues with SWTOR to hate it for. I'm saying I have not seen that kind of sentiment anywhere on here. You may have, but I think you're misrepresenting what was said.

[Ninja Stan]

Let's try and keep this Dragon AGe related, please.

[Spicen]

I would have liked DA 2 expansion, not because of gaming but for the story as long as it was cheap.

[Rikku Moon]

Aw,,, no fair!! I NEED the DLC/Expansion, and was thinking of a way to ask if it was ever going to e made when I discovered the thread. I only have the Dragon Age games for my Xbox 360, and have SERIOUSLY bad internet coverage, or whatever it is I need to get the DLC off the net for the games. I want to get a DISK with the DA2 DLC's on it, the way Bioware did for the DA:O DLC's a few years back when the rereleased Dragon Age Origins and Awakening in that duo expansion pack that had the extra download disk with the DLC's for the two games on it.

why did they cancel the future DLC for DA2? Those of us who can't get the DLC's for DA2 off the net NEED the disks. *pouts* i'll pay Bioware anything within reason to get it.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

batlin wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

If you mean that people are going to complain, wish it hadn't been cancelled, and use its cancellation as a reason why the game is not what they wanted, then yes, that is exactly what will happen, just as people use the lack of a KotOR 3 to justify their hatred of SWTOR.

Good god, is this actually how Bioware employees think?

SWTOR sucks because they spent $200 million developing a game that has less content and is more buggy than vanilla Wolrd of Warcraft. Not because it isn't KotOR 3.

Actually a lot of people have stated themselves on here many times that they hated it because they wanted Kotor3 instead. What he said was factually true. Just like they do with DA titles and the whole "spiritual successor to BG" aspect.

lol.