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[Siran]

Lionel Ou wrote...

Siran wrote...
In Firebase Ghost you have to save civilians and Firebase Reactor vent toxic gases. You should play ME3 again I guess. And all those "copy / paste" MP missions had an accompanying story-line.

There's 30+ "ping-the-planet-to-gather-war-assets" missions in ME3, they're far worse than anything that ME1 ever had. Mineral scanning? You could skip that completely without affecting anything (well, you got less credits).

This has nothing to do with Multiplayer, so why quote it entirely out of context? And you know what - you can skip Planet-Scanning, too! Genius, right? Especially if you play Multiplayer you don't even need the War-Assets from scanning. Hell, I got 20k War Assets from promoting alone, I couldn't even see the worst end if I wanted to

They had a small storyline before and a minimal one afterwards. The missions themselves were a slight variation of a horde mode game with a couple of buttons to press.

Same can be said about the ME1 missions. Especially Wrex' personal mission was a joke - enter same-looking compund # 1.000, kill everything inside, do the same minigame for the gazillionth time, get a wall of text and that's it...

Modifié par Siran, 07 septembre 2012 - 07:22 .

[Phantom089]

I hope Mass Effect games be better, almost the way they were. I love Mass Effect, also BioWare-E.A and other companies. I think that they should go back being Singleplayer. I like also having a Horde-Surivival, Simulator mode not like what they did in Mass Effect 3 it should be Singleplayer also. I don't always play only and it's get tiring and annoying, also when you don't get everything your looking for.

[Lionel Ou]

Siran wrote...

Lionel Ou wrote...

Siran wrote...
In Firebase Ghost you have to save civilians and Firebase Reactor vent toxic gases. You should play ME3 again I guess. And all those "copy / paste" MP missions had an accompanying story-line.

There's 30+ "ping-the-planet-to-gather-war-assets" missions in ME3, they're far worse than anything that ME1 ever had. Mineral scanning? You could skip that completely without affecting anything (well, you got less credits).

This has nothing to do with Multiplayer, so why quote it entirely out of context? And you know what - you can skip Planet-Scanning, too! Genius, right? Especially if you play Multiplayer you don't even need the War-Assets from scanning. Hell, I got 20k War Assets from promoting alone, I couldn't even see the worst end if I wanted to

I just cut down the quote to save on space, guess I miss cut.
Yeah, you can skip planet scanning, just enjoy losing all the added war assets, that actually do impact the game's story. Perhaps if they didn't include multiplayer they could've made those missions into something interesting to dowhile picking up things that you need if you want a good ending.

Choosing between hideously boring planet pinging and or having to play multiplayer just to get single player stuff? Yeah, thanks for that well thought out game mechanic. I guess BW needed to get people to play mp somehow.

(Oh, and you can get the worst ending, just play offline iirc.)

They had a small storyline before and a minimal one afterwards. The missions themselves were a slight variation of a horde mode game with a couple of buttons to press.

Same can be said about the ME1 missions. Especially Wrex' personal mission was a joke - enter same-looking compund # 1.000, kill everything inside, do the same minigame for the gazillionth time, get a wall of text and that's it...

Yeah, my point here being that the side missions you talked about (reactor etc) was just slightly less boring than the ME1 ones. It's just that now you need to play them to get war assets.

Modifié par Lionel Ou, 07 septembre 2012 - 07:55 .

[Ghost]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 has multiplayer.

[glacier1701]

This is not exactly new news. We got something about this online component thing early last year as I recall. Basically it does not mean MULTIPLAYER must be there but some online component that allows players to connect with other players. Of course for ME3 the best way is co-op play but that is NOT necassarily the same for a game such as say SIMS. And yes when we first heard that news the posts went up saying that it would 'drain assests' from the single-player game. Yet what we got was a new studio set up in Montreal that was devoted to the MP side of the game. Now it would have been nice to have that put into the SP game but it would not have necassarily changed the ending. In many ways online components for games are here to stay and is where the money is. EA has to worry about it.

What it boils down to though is that the APPROPRIATE online component is made for a game. If an inappropriate one is made then that will kill a game. ME3 multiplayer is fine except it turned out to be necessary to get ALL content in the single player game.

[AlanC9]

Lionel Ou wrote...
Yeah, you can skip planet scanning, just enjoy losing all the added war assets, that actually do impact the game's story. Perhaps if they didn't include multiplayer they could've made those missions into something interesting to dowhile picking up things that you need if you want a good ending.

Perhaps, or perhaps without MP the budget gets cut even further because now you don't have the microtransactions revenue.

What makes you think that SP is subsidizing MP? It's much more likely to be the other way around.

Modifié par AlanC9, 07 septembre 2012 - 09:14 .

[macrocarl]

ME3's MP is sweet and didn't impact the SP. They can keep doing that as long as they keep rocking quality.

[seyshell]

personal mp and sp are different games. i dislike online games. i am very old in the gaming society i know at 48, but i really dislike the way great/brilliant games are going online....

[AlanC9]

seyshell wrote...

personal mp and sp are different games. i dislike online games. i am very old in the gaming society i know at 48, but i really dislike the way great/brilliant games are going online....

Same age here, and same dislike for MP. 

Bu so what if games have MP. As long as Bio doesn't screw up again the way they did with pre-EC ME3, it doesn't matter.

[Balckjack126]

thatd be nice in some ways but as always...things have their downsides

[Eralrik]

I unfortunatly am unable to play Co-op or Multiplayer in games as my motor reaction times from my brain to my body is slow much like being on dialup using a 1200 baud modem, due to the head injury I recieved some years back.
I play SWTOR an I really enjoy the story and the PvE though my friends created a guild on an RP-PvP server an I just can't get my body to react to other players movements an I usually die standing there and I get the customary spit on and the you suck.
I've tried ME3's Multiplayer an can't advance past Bronze an most of the time I'm usually getting berrated on the ingame chat for being the worst player and called unkind names to the point I mute the sound of the game.
I'm not as old as the 48 years olds but I'm in my 40's all the same an have been pc gaming since 1986.
One thing if I wished of Bioware would be a reboot of Shattered Steel upgrading it with todays tech.

I don't believe Bioware needs a reboot I just think they need to take a step back an relearn what they did in the early days that made them such fan favorites an rebuild from there.

I still play games like X-Com and Masters of Orion because their turn based games an alittle easier for my motor funtions, but I'm a minority an people like me get placed on the side burner in the eye's of big company's.

[Menagra]

ZombieGambit wrote...

Simply having a multiplayer component doesn't mean that developers skimp on storytelling. The real problem is that developers and publishers are businesses and they make more money by appealing to a wider audience, hence they water down stories to allow a broader audience to pick up and play.

The same goes for movies, most intelligent and original movies don't make much money compared to the summer blockbuster action flicks. Not only that, but most successful franchises get more and more popular with each successive release, meaning that more people have probably seen the 3rd or 2nd than saw the 1st, the same goes for most games.

Blame the consumers, not the game makers.

And then there's something like LOTR which is the best of both worlds and doesn't sacrifice story nor artistic integrity, yet pulls in that wide audience to make big bucks. LOTR is a story for the professor and the preteen -- and to simply refuse to be as ambitious due to a textbook definition of economics is the kind of redundant thinking that causes markets like the game industry to decline. If indeed this is the case, then soon everything will have multiplayer and it will be that strange company that doesn't who stands out and makes so much more money because of it due to there being no competition.

I have been rolling my eyes at the game critics fangasming over multiplayer and online content for years now. One day the developers will realize its a niche and not the entire fanbase. Right now I suppose they are excited and feel it's a way to make more money by taking away the used game business, when it will probably just result in less people playing games.

[Menagra]

Eralrik wrote...

I unfortunatly am unable to play Co-op or Multiplayer in games as my motor reaction times from my brain to my body is slow much like being on dialup using a 1200 baud modem, due to the head injury I recieved some years back.
I play SWTOR an I really enjoy the story and the PvE though my friends created a guild on an RP-PvP server an I just can't get my body to react to other players movements an I usually die standing there and I get the customary spit on and the you suck.
I've tried ME3's Multiplayer an can't advance past Bronze an most of the time I'm usually getting berrated on the ingame chat for being the worst player and called unkind names to the point I mute the sound of the game.
I'm not as old as the 48 years olds but I'm in my 40's all the same an have been pc gaming since 1986.
One thing if I wished of Bioware would be a reboot of Shattered Steel upgrading it with todays tech.

I don't believe Bioware needs a reboot I just think they need to take a step back an relearn what they did in the early days that made them such fan favorites an rebuild from there.

I still play games like X-Com and Masters of Orion because their turn based games an alittle easier for my motor funtions, but I'm a minority an people like me get placed on the side burner in the eye's of big company's.

If you ever find myself or my significant other online we would be more than happy to play with you in ME multiplayer. We are both patient and would be more than happy to stand by you and play with you through bronze no matter your multiplayer skill level. We're on xbox live. our gamer tags are menagrabinna and vuntsdinna (we scrambled up our names).

[puppy maclove]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 has multiplayer.

wow, you have thick skin... ME3 serves to illustrate the point... it's terrible!!!

small wonder BW is going down the tubes....

Modifié par jlmaclachlan, 08 septembre 2012 - 01:47 .

[sheppard7]

jlmaclachlan wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 has multiplayer.

wow, you have thick skin... ME3 serves to illustrate the point... it's terrible!!!

small wonder BW is going down the tubes....

That was mild compared to what he did in the thread here http://social.biowar...ndex/13990898/1

Modifié par sheppard7, 08 septembre 2012 - 02:00 .

[Ramus Quaritch]

http://www.joystiq.c...a-waste-of-mon/

[Siran]

Ramus Quaritch wrote...

http://www.joystiq.c...a-waste-of-mon/

I think the 3 free MP DLCs and the certainly quite nice amount of money BW has made from reinforcement packs disagree 

[dream3873]

Well to be honest besides the ending debacle I think BW did a fine job of both SP and MP. I do not think that BW will forget their roots.

[dirty console peasant]

jlmaclachlan wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 has multiplayer.

wow, you have thick skin... ME3 serves to illustrate the point... it's terrible!!!

small wonder BW is going down the tubes....

I would not say that MP is the only reason that ME3 was the worst game in the trilogy,  It was certainly a large contributing factor (sucking money and other resources away from developing the SP),  The problem is that EA is run by buisinesspeople that have most likely never played a game in their life.  Put a gamer in charge and stop worrying about "how can I squeeze every last penny from this game" and they could easily change that.

[Heather Cline]

Honestly I think they should remake the entire ME3 as a single player game. Scrap the MP mode and also return player agency, dialogue wheel, ability to affect the outcome of your game and above all multiple endings they promised ranging from bleak where shepard dies to happy where shepard lives out life with LI and retires or rules the galaxy if you're a renegade.

[Killdren88]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 has multiplayer.

Yes, but Its somewhat silly that its needed for SP. I dislike thats I have to to play MP in order to ensure my Galatic Readiness is always up.

[Siran]

Killdren88 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 has multiplayer.

Yes, but Its somewhat silly that its needed for SP. I dislike thats I have to to play MP in order to ensure my Galatic Readiness is always up.

You don't need MP for that, you can do this with the Datapad and / or Infiltrator as well. Plus - with the EC you don't even need Galactic Readiness over 50% to see all endings. So, it's not "needed" for SP...

[BonFire5]

Siran wrote...

You don't need MP for that, you can do this with the Datapad and / or Infiltrator as well. Plus - with the EC you don't even need Galactic Readiness over 50% to see all endings. So, it's not "needed" for SP...

It is needed for the Platinum or all Achievements.

Don't have Datapad or Infiltrator. Barely get an internet connection somedays. My only option is to play the Multiplayer. Which sucks because the servers are horrible. The fact that I can only get on every four days or so means that my readiness is always dropping as well.

[Snypy]

dream3873 wrote...

Well to be honest besides the ending debacle I think BW did a fine job of both SP and MP. I do not think that BW will forget their roots.

I'm afraid EA will eventually force BioWare to abandon its roots. It has already begun. ME3 had to be released in March, despite the fact that it wasn't completely finished, because EA needed to improve its FY12 financial performance. 

BioWare managed to do a great job with ME3, given the fact that they had such a tight deadline. We can't, however, (directly) blame EA for the bad endings. ME3's lead writer -- Mac Walters -- is responsible for that.

[Snypy]

Heather Cline wrote...

Honestly I think they should remake the entire ME3 as a single player game. Scrap the MP mode and also return player agency, dialogue wheel, ability to affect the outcome of your game and above all multiple endings they promised ranging from bleak where shepard dies to happy where shepard lives out life with LI and retires or rules the galaxy if you're a renegade.

Yeah, well, it's just wishful thinking. I suppose I'd settle for the remake of the ending. But I guess I can pretty much imagine the events you mentioned even with the current endings; I don't necessarily need fancy cutscenes.

Modifié par Snypy, 08 septembre 2012 - 09:49 .