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[DirtyPhoenix]

Bfler wrote...

Did you ever speak with Dorn'Hazt during the mission where you have to save Koris?

I did, but I also saw what they did to the Geth in the consensus mission. That painted my mind forever, and may have been one of the reasons why i chose synthesis.

But fear not, that waas only one playthrough where I deliberately let that happen, that was one hothead Shepard anyway. Stupid thing went on to pick destroy, ensuring an empty Rannoch. Apart from that, I did one vanilla ME3 playthrough where I had to choose between one of them and I chose Geth and picked control later.

@CronoDragon: Yeah I agree with you there. I want no ending to be given a preferrential treatment. Some may appear to be shoehorned in, but once they are shoehorned in, all of them deserve an equal treatment. I don't want Synthesis to be treated specially. About the setup, I thought it was done so to form out a dialog wheel in space. the topmost choice was control and like in dialogs, its paragon. The  bottomost is destroy and renegade. And Synthesis the middle option between these two.

Modifié par pirate1802, 06 septembre 2012 - 03:44 .

[Saans Shadow]

ghost9191 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Speaking of presentation, is there any way to make Shepard NOT say "there has to be another way..." following the Catalyst's explanation of Destroy? That's just such a forced line considering all the folks who prefer Destroy. >_>

yeah thought the same,,

wished for the option to just cool lets blow these fu*ks up and when it tries to talk more just say f*ck off

just seemed like it was a bad choice, which it might be but still

That quote is in character for my Shepard but for someone who wants Destroy there def should have been a "Yeah lets go with that option" dialouge  So I agree with you there.

[JeffZero]

Saans Shadow wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Speaking of presentation, is there any way to make Shepard NOT say "there has to be another way..." following the Catalyst's explanation of Destroy? That's just such a forced line considering all the folks who prefer Destroy. >_>

yeah thought the same,,

wished for the option to just cool lets blow these fu*ks up and when it tries to talk more just say f*ck off

just seemed like it was a bad choice, which it might be but still

That quote is in character for my Shepard but for someone who wants Destroy there def should have been a "Yeah lets go with that option" dialouge  So I agree with you there.

Yeah, same here. It works for the majority of my Shepards, and myself as well, but it's just not fair at all to all the players who feel differently, and all their Shepards therein.

[CronoDragoon]

Saans Shadow wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Speaking of presentation, is there any way to make Shepard NOT say "there has to be another way..." following the Catalyst's explanation of Destroy? That's just such a forced line considering all the folks who prefer Destroy. >_>

yeah thought the same,,

wished for the option to just cool lets blow these fu*ks up and when it tries to talk more just say f*ck off

just seemed like it was a bad choice, which it might be but still

That quote is in character for my Shepard but for someone who wants Destroy there def should have been a "Yeah lets go with that option" dialouge  So I agree with you there.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 06 septembre 2012 - 03:45 .

[GiarcYekrub]

One thing in Mass Effect Lore is that memories and thoughts can be and transfered (Beacons,Rachni,Thorian,Asari,Javik,Leviathon) via technology and natural evolved abilities I see synthsis as Shepards understanding being gifted to the galaxy

[DirtyPhoenix]

Chashan wrote...


The exact opposite is the case for me; I just look past Synthesis on a merely aesthetic level. The bad way and bad taste in which it is done - hallo friendly husk-neighbour, hallo big bad good Reaper-fella, 'sup? - just makes it a non-choice for me.

Which is not to say that I mind its existence from a motivation-perspective as much as I mind Control; with Control, it is a matter of fitting aesthetics and just horrid motivation behind it at work. The same is true of Green, sure, but it is even worse with Control, as the game railed us into direct opposition to the SS-goon squad that is Team TIM and their agenda of dystopic domination of the galaxy at gruesome cost; the way Control's ambiente is realized in that regard appears very fitting to me, and kind of reminds me of how the God-Emperor choice of Jade Empire was done.
In short, if it were left up to me I would kick Control out the window, although I can accept it as the definite d-bag-choice in the spirit of the aforementioned God-Emperordom of JE. And whip the staff into reworking Green into something more aesthetically pleasing and subtle. As well as accomodating a rematerialisation-scene of Shepard-Commanders at an undisclosed location.
And have another slide added to Red that shows Quarians being busy reactivating their Servants of All, while we are at it.

I can see how for someone who doesn't like TIM, that illusive man was right afterall line can seem like an absolute nightmare.

My paraagon Shepard always opposed TIM and then she nonchalantly says that line. I was like wtf Shepard! Listen to yourself!

[JeffZero]

pirate1802 wrote...

Chashan wrote...


The exact opposite is the case for me; I just look past Synthesis on a merely aesthetic level. The bad way and bad taste in which it is done - hallo friendly husk-neighbour, hallo big bad good Reaper-fella, 'sup? - just makes it a non-choice for me.

Which is not to say that I mind its existence from a motivation-perspective as much as I mind Control; with Control, it is a matter of fitting aesthetics and just horrid motivation behind it at work. The same is true of Green, sure, but it is even worse with Control, as the game railed us into direct opposition to the SS-goon squad that is Team TIM and their agenda of dystopic domination of the galaxy at gruesome cost; the way Control's ambiente is realized in that regard appears very fitting to me, and kind of reminds me of how the God-Emperor choice of Jade Empire was done.
In short, if it were left up to me I would kick Control out the window, although I can accept it as the definite d-bag-choice in the spirit of the aforementioned God-Emperordom of JE. And whip the staff into reworking Green into something more aesthetically pleasing and subtle. As well as accomodating a rematerialisation-scene of Shepard-Commanders at an undisclosed location.
And have another slide added to Red that shows Quarians being busy reactivating their Servants of All, while we are at it.

I can see how for someone who doesn't like TIM, that illusive man was right afterall line can seem like an absolute nightmare.

My paraagon Shepard always opposed TIM and then she nonchalantly says that line. I was like wtf Shepard! Listen to yourself!

"Listen to yeh-self! *Now* I'm starting to think you're in-DOC-trinated...!"

[ghost9191]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Saans Shadow wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Speaking of presentation, is there any way to make Shepard NOT say "there has to be another way..." following the Catalyst's explanation of Destroy? That's just such a forced line considering all the folks who prefer Destroy. >_>

yeah thought the same,,

wished for the option to just cool lets blow these fu*ks up and when it tries to talk more just say f*ck off

just seemed like it was a bad choice, which it might be but still

That quote is in character for my Shepard but for someone who wants Destroy there def should have been a "Yeah lets go with that option" dialouge  So I agree with you there.

www.youtube.com/watch

first time i saw that, loved it lol. pretty much how i made my decision first time also lol. ok destroy lets do it

[Saans Shadow]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Saans Shadow wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Speaking of presentation, is there any way to make Shepard NOT say "there has to be another way..." following the Catalyst's explanation of Destroy? That's just such a forced line considering all the folks who prefer Destroy. >_>

yeah thought the same,,

wished for the option to just cool lets blow these fu*ks up and when it tries to talk more just say f*ck off

just seemed like it was a bad choice, which it might be but still

That quote is in character for my Shepard but for someone who wants Destroy there def should have been a "Yeah lets go with that option" dialouge  So I agree with you there.

www.youtube.com/watch

AHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA

[ATiBotka]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Best ending = only destroy.  

Best ending for you.

starlitegirlx wrote...

The other options are attempts at indoctrinating shepard. .

Nope.

[zambot]

 Because control and synthesis come out of left field (for the most part) it's easy to see why some people think those endings are "indoctrinated".  Really, Bioware just dropped the ball on those two choices.  

The whole "So the elusive man was right afterall" sort of sums up the problem with Control.  Throughout the game, the issue Shepard has against trying to control the reapers was that he did not believe it was a good idea to try.  Had there been more dialogue or story that gave Shepard the option to agree with TIM that controlling them was a good idea, but that TIM was not the right person for the job, control would have been a much better and believable ending.

And synthesis literally pops in out of nowhere.  The tech behind it is poorly and insufficiently explained, it uses hand wavy terms like "essence" and "understanding", but most of all, it's never talked about anywhere else in the game.  I believe the writers tried to foreshadow synthesis somewhat in the Rannoch plot arch, but they ended up contradicting themselves.  By the end of Rannoch, I believed it was possible for synthetics and organics to understand each other.  Now, at the end, suddenly we need some magic advanced tech to accomplish that?

While I think the writers intent is pretty clear, the whole choice thing was poorly implemented for the above reasons.  It's really no wonder many people believe there is some "trick" to control or synthesis.  The writers never established them.  Given all that, even though I choose synthesis for my canon, I have to agree with the OP.  The story would be better off without control or synthesis as options.  The writers did not properly establish the choices at the end previous to their introduction, so they should have focused on making one, kick butt ending with 0 last minute choices.

Modifié par zambot, 06 septembre 2012 - 04:39 .

[AlanC9]

pirate1802 wrote...

I can see how for someone who doesn't like TIM, that illusive man was right afterall line can seem like an absolute nightmare.

My paraagon Shepard always opposed TIM and then she nonchalantly says that line. I was like wtf Shepard! Listen to yourself!

Yeah, that line doesn't work too well. But I loved the irony of TIM being right the whole time. Or Saren, if you go Synth.

[Newnation]

The ending would be better without the whole "Synthetics will always rise up against their creator" reasoning by the Catalyst. The Catalyst itself doesn't bother me but when he starts explaining the purpose of the reapers is when the huge problems of the game begin. The reapers were the bad guys from the novels, comic books, through ME to 2/3's of ME 3. You've been trying to take them out since you found out about Sovereign. Now all of a sudden they're misunderstood custodians......really? The whole thing just came out of either Hudson or some writer's ass out of the blue.

To me, the only thing redeeming about Synthesis was that Edi gets to experience actually being alive. Katsumi and the grey box thing was just....ugh. I hate the fact that the reapers are now not the boogeymen anymore. It makes everything you've been through in the first two and half games and the sacrifices made by people that died seem pointless. You either be perserved in reaper form or rewrite dna so everyone, including the reapers are the same and can live happily ever after with each other. Now there's your Disney ending that people have been ****ing at others about because they want Shep to live and reunite with their love interest and crew.