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[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

It's been a while since I've argued with anyone quite as stupid as you.

Yet you're using opinions like you normally do.

The Conduit being the miniature Relay that you use to reach the Citadel from Illos is not a matter of opinion.

"The Conduit is the key. Before the Reapers attacked we Protheans were on the cusp of unlocking the mysteries behind Mass Relay technology. Illos was a top-secret facility. Here, researchers worked to create a small-scale version of a Mass Relay. One that linked directly to the Citadel, the hub of the Relay network. 
"The Conduit's not a weapon, it's a backdoor into the Citadel!"

"Using the Conduit they gained access to the Citadel"

"The one you call Saren will use the Conduit to bypass the Citadel's defences"

"Where's the Citadel's master control unit? I've never heard of anything like that."
"Through the Conduit, follow Saren, he will lead you to your destination."

"What happened to the survivors of the Conduit project?"
"They used the Conduit to gain access to the Citadel, but the Conduit is only a prototype, the portal only links in one direction so they were trapped on the station."

http://youtu.be/0ohcGV25ldc?t=3m58s

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

You're given the wiki, and deny it, you're given pictures, and deny that too, and you don't provide any sort of evidence to support anything you say.

If Wikias were as accurate as you say then they would always be right and never be wrong.

Then why don't you provide something to contradict the wiki? You haven't so far. 

What about the picture? Nothing to say about that hard visual evidence. 

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Evidently not. Citations please.

Its ironic when you always want citations even when you just deny deny deny.

Mostly because you refuse to provide any. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 13 septembre 2012 - 04:23 .

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

The Conduit being the miniature Relay that you use to reach the Citadel from Illos is not a matter of opinion.

Yet it is when the Conduit is on the Citadel, the Protheans sabotaged it, and Sovreign tried accessing it to open a shortcut for the other Reapers.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Then why don't you provide something to contradict the wiki? You haven't so far.

The Conduit is a contradiction on the Wikia.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

What about the picture? Nothing to say about that hard visual evidence.

Yet its never good enough even when your points on opinions like you said previously.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Mostly because you refuse to provide any.

I'm not refusing anything while its contradicting on yor part to deny deny deny and blinding follow Wikias without question.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 septembre 2012 - 04:19 .

[Xamufam]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

If they were such amazingly important plot points, It should have been stated in the game. That is the difference between good writing and bad.

The games themselves should have all the information you need to understand it. If something important happened in one of the books that effects the main game, then I need to know what happened, why it happened, and what the consequences are of what happened.

If the audience is having to ask questions, you've failed as a writer. I'm sorry for how harsh that sounds but the point to being an author is to clearly convey messages and story and asking questions shows that they either didn't state something clearly or didn't state what they needed to in the first place.

This

[m2iCodeJockey]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Why wouldn't I and thats far from the point.

I'm trying to identify the source of your difference in understanding.

7 people, 2 wikis and 2 screenshots, all in addition to the in-game Watcher's Chamber sequence say your own understanding is not sane. This is understandable if the language you played under was not English and some words or culture are lost in translation. Happens all the time: Most Christians you meet have no idea what "turn the other cheek" actually means because they are not considering Roman culture.

You seem to have jumped to a conclusion about the motivations of Saren and Sovereign, each of which were not the same:
-Sovereign wanted control of the Citadel and nothing else.
-Saren wanted to try to save some organics by proving there was something organics could do that the deeply indoctrinated could not: Understand the beacons leading to the Conduit.

So, either the language in what you saw did not directly translate or you misunderstood the scene which is why people are telling you play the scene again.

By further arguing without test playing the Watcher's Chamber scene, it does look like YOU would need to read a novel to gain the above understanding...

[Blueprotoss]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...
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I'm trying to identify the source of your difference in understanding.

Fact is different from opinion.

m2iCodeJockey wrote... 

7 people, 2 wikis and 2 screenshots, all in addition to the in-game Watcher's Chamber sequence say your own understanding is not sane. This is understandable if the language you played under was not English and some words or culture are lost in translation. Happens all the time: Most Christians you meet have no idea what "turn the other cheek" actually means because they are not considering Roman culture.

This is a straw-mann just like how people used to say that Earth was flat, the Sun revolved around the Earth, and the cause of the Crusades wasn't based on a difference of religion.

m2iCodeJockey wrote... 

You seem to have jumped to a conclusion about the motivations of Saren and Sovereign, each of which were not the same:
-Sovereign wanted control of the Citadel and nothing else.
-Saren wanted to try to save some organics by proving there was something organics could do that the deeply indoctrinated could not: Understand the beacons leading to the Conduit.

I haven't jumped to any conclusions whenI'm letting ME speak for itself unlike how you're using opinion.

m2iCodeJockey wrote... 

So, either the language in what you saw did not directly translate or you misunderstood the scene which is why people are telling you play the scene again.

By further arguing without test playing the Watcher's Chamber scene, it does look like YOU would need to read a novel to gain the above understanding...

Insulting people isn't going to help you just like how you're still flipping the table.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 septembre 2012 - 04:30 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

The Conduit being the miniature Relay that you use to reach the Citadel from Illos is not a matter of opinion.

Yet it is when the Conduit is on the Citadel, the Protheans sabotaged it, and Sovreign tried accessing it to open a shortcut for the other Reapers.

"The Conduit is the key. Before the Reapers attacked we Protheans were on the cusp of unlocking the mysteries behind Mass Relay technology. Illos was a top-secret facility. Here, researchers worked to create a small-scale version of a Mass Relay. One that linked directly to the Citadel, the hub of the Relay network. 
"The Conduit's not a weapon, it's a backdoor into the Citadel!"

"Using the Conduit they gained access to the Citadel"

"The one you call Saren will use the Conduit to bypass the Citadel's defences"

"Where's the Citadel's master control unit? I've never heard of anything like that."
"Through the Conduit, follow Saren, he will lead you to your destination."

"What happened to the survivors of the Conduit project?"
"They used the Conduit to gain access to the Citadel, but the Conduit is only a prototype, the portal only links in one direction so they were trapped on the station."

http://youtu.be/0ohcGV25ldc?t=3m58s

The Conduit is not on the Citadel. 

All of the above are quotes from Vigil, with Shepard asking the questions. 

There's a video. 

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Then why don't you provide something to contradict the wiki? You haven't so far.

The Conduit is a contradiction on the Wikia.

Then why don't you provide something, as in quotes or visual evidence, to contradict the wiki? You haven't so far.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

What about the picture? Nothing to say about that hard visual evidence.

Yet its never good enough even when your points on opinions like you said previously.

What about the picture? Nothing you just said is at all relevant to my quote. Opinion or not, how can you deny the pciture you were provided with?

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Mostly because you refuse to provide any.

I'm not refusing anything

Then where's your evidence? You haven't provided any in this thread despite being asked to multiple times.

while its contradicting on yor part to deny deny deny and blinding follow Wikias without question.

No contradictions here. The wiki is right, I've played the game and it matches the quotes, videos and images posted in this thread. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 13 septembre 2012 - 04:32 .

[Robhuzz]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

I'm sorry Mammoth but the logic you're looking for is in another castle.

Yet both of you aren't focusing on logic.

Maybe your subtitle button is broken. Perhaps there's some mistake in your subtitles.
I know: You didn't have any saves on Ilos? That's understandable.

Vigil never tells what was sabotaged on the Citadel. It says the sabotage caused the keepers to ignore Sovereign's signal. Since the Conduit is one-way, how it knew specifically is a story flaw.

Maybe it's in a book...

It is logical to assume the surviving Prothean scientists on Ilos used Vigil as a link to their databases and stuff and so Vigil would've been kept updated on the Prothean plans to sabotage the keeper signal. When the Protheans left and didn't return (to be expected, the conduit only goes one way) and 50.000 years later, Sovereign didn't manage to activate the citadel relay by itself, Vigil concluded that the scientists plan had worked as intended.

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

http://youtu.be/0ohcGV25ldc?t=3m58s

The Conduit is not on the Citadel. 

All of the above are quotes from Vigil, with Shepard asking the questions. 

There's a video.

Yet it is when the Conduit is on the Citadel, the Protheans sabotaged it, and Sovreign tried accessing it to open a shortcut for the other Reapers.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Then why don't you provide something, as in quotes or visual evidence, to contradict the wiki? You haven't so far.

I do while the answer that still appears is deny deny deny.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

What about the picture? Nothing to say about that hard visual evidence.

What about the picture? Nothing you just said is at all relevant to my quote. Opinion or not, how can you deny the pciture you were provided with?

Yet its never good enough even when your points on opinions like you said previously.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Then where's your evidence? You haven't provided any in this thread despite being asked to multiple times.

I'm still not refusing anything and Wikia isn't evidence.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

No contradictions here. The wiki is right, I've played the game and it matches the quotes, videos and images posted in this thread. 

Thats a lie especially when anyone can edit anything at any time.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 septembre 2012 - 04:35 .

[Someone With Mass]

Just for laughs: I have yet to see any evidence that the Conduit was sabotaged beyond someone's words.

[Robhuzz]

Yet it is when the Conduit is on the Citadel, the Protheans sabotaged it, and Sovreign tried accessing it to open a shortcut for the other Reapers.

You do know the conduit is that miniature mass relay that links Ilos to the Citadel and was built by the Protheans right? You know, the one Shepard uses to get from Ilos to the Citadel?

The relay that links the Citadel to dark space is a completely separate one.

I think you might be a bit confused.

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

http://youtu.be/0ohcGV25ldc?t=3m58s

The Conduit is not on the Citadel. 

All of the above are quotes from Vigil, with Shepard asking the questions. 

There's a video.

Yet it is when the Conduit is on the Citadel, the Protheans sabotaged it, and Sovreign tried accessing it to open a shortcut for the other Reapers.

Your words are irrelevant now. 

You're wrong unless you have evidence to refute that video and list of quotes directly from the conversation with Vigil.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Then why don't you provide something, as in quotes or visual evidence, to contradict the wiki? You haven't so far.

I do while the answer that still appears is deny deny deny.

You have to be trolling now because you haven't provided either quotes or visual evidence. 

Yet its never good enough even when your points on opinions like you said previously.

The picture proves the minature Mass Relay on Ilos is the Conduit. I didn't post it. You ignored it and have yet to provide anything to refute it. My apparent 'opinion' on the matter is irrelevant to the question I asked. 

What about the goddam picture?

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Then where's your evidence? You haven't provided any in this thread despite being asked to multiple times.

I'm still not refusing anything and Wikia isn't evidence.

I'm not using it as evidence, I just said it matches the evidence I provided, so it's not wrong. 

Still waiting to see some of the evidence you refuse to provide. 

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

No contradictions here. The wiki is right, I've played the game and it matches the quotes, videos and images posted in this thread. 

Thats a lie

It's not a lie when it correlates with all the evidence provided to support what it says. You've yet to provide anything concrete to refute it, you've just said things without supporting evidence, made baseless assertions. 

especially when anyone can edit anything at any time.

Then why don't you go edit it, then?

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 13 septembre 2012 - 04:57 .

[Blueprotoss]

Robhuzz wrote...

You do know the conduit is that miniature mass relay that links Ilos to the Citadel and was built by the Protheans right? You know, the one Shepard uses to get from Ilos to the Citadel?

The relay that links the Citadel to dark space is a completely separate one.

I think you might be a bit confused.

If that was the case then the Conduit is on the Citadel, the Protheans sabotaged it, and Sovreign tried accessing it to open a shortcut for the other Reapers.  The Conduit is the Citadel's control panel not a mini relay.

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Your words are irrelevant now. 

You're wrong unless you have evidence to refute that video and list of quotes directly from the conversation with Vigil.

They aren't irrelevant and I'm not refusing anything.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

You have to be trolling now because you haven't provided either quotes or visual evidence.

You clearly don't know what "trolling" means when you're actually doing the insulting here.

The Night Mammoth wrote...  

The picture proves the minature Mass Relay on Ilos is the Conduit. I didn't post it. You ignored it and have yet to provide anything to refute it. My apparent 'opinion' on the matter is irrelevant to the question I asked. 

What about the goddam picture?

Thats what they thought the Conduit was.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

I'm not using it as evidence, I just said it matches the evidence I provided, so it's not wrong. 

Still waiting to see some of the evidence you refuse to provide.

You are using opinions especially when you're talking about Wikias.

The Night Mammoth wrote...  

It's not a lie when it correlates with all the evidence provided to support what it says. You've yet to provide anything concrete to refute it, you've just said things without supporting evidence, made baseless assertions.

Thats still a lie especially when Wikias are designed for quick reference.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Then why don't you go edit it, then?

Unlike you I don't rely on the wrong information.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 septembre 2012 - 04:56 .

[m2iCodeJockey]

 

Blueprotoss wrote...Fact is different from opinion.Insulting people isn't going to help you just like how you're still flipping the table.

There is no fact in question. Your understanding is what is in question.Would you like a save game? I have one just befor talking to Vigil.

We really are just trying to adjust your understanding, not insult you.
I gave you a screenshot of the characters on Ilos, in the trench, pointed at the relay saying: "There! The Conduit! It is incredible!"
Doesn't get any easier to see than that as long as you read English.
Can you see the screenshots in this thread?

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/14005158/9#14082984

Modifié par m2iCodeJockey, 13 septembre 2012 - 05:00 .

[3DandBeyond]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Just for laughs: I have yet to see any evidence that the Conduit was sabotaged beyond someone's words.

He argues just to argue.  You can't pick up mercury with your fingers-trying to actually have a rational discussion is the same thing.

The conduit is a one way connectio to the miniature mass relay on the citadel from Ilos.  Vigil says nothing about the scientists sabotaging it.  They sabotaged the keepers so they could not send a signal to the reapers to enter the galaxy. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 13 septembre 2012 - 05:32 .

[The Night Mammoth]

[quote]Blueprotoss wrote...

[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...

Your words are irrelevant now. 

You're wrong unless you have evidence to refute that video and list of quotes directly from the conversation with Vigil.[/quote]They aren't irrelevant and I'm not refusing anything.[/quote]

More meaningless words. Evidence please. 

[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

You have to be trolling now because you haven't provided either quotes or visual evidence.[/quote]You clearly don't know what "trolling" means when you're actually doing the insulting here.[/quote]

Oh boy, do I know what trolling is? 

I could easily put that lable on you. What would you prefer, troll, stupid, or blatant stubborn liar? 

[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...  

The picture proves the minature Mass Relay on Ilos is the Conduit. I didn't post it. You ignored it and have yet to provide anything to refute it. My apparent 'opinion' on the matter is irrelevant to the question I asked. 

What about the goddam picture?[/quote]Thats what they thought the Conduit was.[/quote]

Something that isn't contradicted. Vigil tells you it's the Condiuit, multiple times. What's more concrete than that? 

Evidence for yout statements please. 

[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

I'm not using it as evidence, I just said it matches the evidence I provided, so it's not wrong. 

Still waiting to see some of the evidence you refuse to provide.[/quote]You are using opinions especially when you're talking about Wikias.[/quote]

Still waiting for that evidence that refutes the wiki. 

[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...  

It's not a lie when it correlates with all the evidence provided to support what it says. You've yet to provide anything concrete to refute it, you've just said things without supporting evidence, made baseless assertions.[/quote]Thats still a lie especially when Wikias are designed for quick reference.[/quote]

Vigil says it's the Conduit, various characters say it's the Conduit. Wiki says it's the Conduit.

Where's the lie? 

[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Then why don't you go edit it, then?[/quote]Unlike you I don't rely on the wrong information.
[/quote]

Wait............ what? You're not going to edit it because you don't rely on wrong information? So the information you're relying on is wrong? So you're wrong then? 

But you're also saying all the quotes, pictures, and videos provided that show what the Conduit is, are all wrong. Well that's just blatant stupidity. Can't get more conclusive than Vigil telling us the minature Mass Relay on Illos is the Conduit. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 13 septembre 2012 - 05:27 .

[Blueprotoss]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

There is no fact in question. Your understanding is what is in question.Would you like a save game? I have one just befor talking to Vigil.

We really are just trying to adjust your understanding, not insult you.
I gave you a screenshot of the characters on Ilos, in the trench, pointed at the relay saying: "There! The Conduit! It is incredible!"
Doesn't get any easier to see than that as long as you read English.
Can you see the screenshots in this thread?

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/14005158/9#14082984

I see that you're still trying to prove your point when you're using opinion other then statement here especially when you flipped the table pages ago with insults.  If you really were correct then no insults would have been used and there's also a thing called photo software that can ruin screenshots as evidence.

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

More meaningless words. Evidence please. 

How is that when yo're doing the insulting here.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Oh boy, do I know what trolling is? 

I could easily put that lable on you. What would you prefer, troll, stupid, or blatant stubborn liar?

I love the irony thats still present here since you still don't know what "trolling" is.  You should have realize a long time ago that you're the one thats being off-topic and insulting another.

The Night Mammoth wrote...  

Something that isn't contradicted. Vigil tells you it's the Condiuit, multiple times. What's more concrete than that? 

Evidence for yout statements please.

Yet Vigil doesn't say what the Conduit exactly is.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Still waiting for that evidence that refutes the wiki.

Using Wikia and Wikipedia for their unreliable information is like expecting Fox News to always report on the facts.

The Night Mammoth wrote...  

Vigil says it's the Conduit, various characters say it's the Conduit. Wiki says it's the Conduit.

Where's the lie?

Again Vigil doesn't say what the Conduit exactly is.  If the Conduit was actually a one-way relay to the Citadel then Sovreign wouldn't need that to go to the Conduit on the Citadel.  Also the Prothean wouldn't have sabotage the one-way relay when they thought they were going to be woken up later on.
 

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Wait............ what? You're not going to edit it because you don't rely on wrong information? So the information you're relying on is wrong? So you're wrong then? 

I have no reason to when someone would just remove it with another edit, which is why Wikia and Wikipedia is far from as accurate as you think.

The Night Mammoth wrote...  

But you're also saying all the quotes, pictures, and videos provided that show what the Conduit is, are all wrong. Well that's just blatant stupidity. Can't get more conclusive than Vigil telling us the minature Mass Relay on Illos is the Conduit.

Anyone can quote something whether its out of context or in context.  Any picture can be edited just like any video can as well.  The Internet as a whole is more about what is opinion other then what is fact like the GOP.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 14 septembre 2012 - 03:19 .

[The Night Mammoth]

[quote]Blueprotoss wrote...

[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...

More meaningless words. Evidence please. [/quote]How is that when yo're doing the insulting here.[/quote]

More meaningless words. Evidence please. 

[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Oh boy, do I know what trolling is? 

I could easily put that lable on you. What would you prefer, troll, stupid, or blatant stubborn liar?[/quote]I love the irony thats still present here since you still don't know what "trolling" is.[/quote]

Irrelevant.

[quote] You should have realize a long time ago that you're the one thats being off-topic and insulting another.[/quote]

We're both off-topic and yes I am insulting you. 

[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...  

Something that isn't contradicted. Vigil tells you it's the Condiuit, multiple times. What's more concrete than that? 

Evidence for yout statements please.[/quote]Yet Vigil doesn't say what the Conduit exactly is.[/quote]

"The Conduit is the key. Before the Reapers attacked we Protheans were on the cusp of unlocking the mysteries behind Mass Relay technology. Illos was a top-secret facility. Here, researchers worked to create a small-scale version of a Mass Relay. One that linked directly to the Citadel, the hub of the Relay network. 
"The Conduit's not a weapon, it's a backdoor into the Citadel!"

"Using the Conduit they gained access to the Citadel"

"The one you call Saren will use the Conduit to bypass the Citadel's defences"

"Where's the Citadel's master control unit? I've never heard of anything like that."
"Through the Conduit, follow Saren, he will lead you to your destination."

"What happened to the survivors of the Conduit project?"
"They used the Conduit to gain access to the Citadel, but the Conduit is only a prototype, the portal only links in one direction so they were trapped on the station."

Multiple times actually. 

The game also labels the object itself as the Conduit. BioWare labels the miniature Mass Relay as the Conduit. 

[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Still waiting for that evidence that refutes the wiki.[/quote]Using Wikia and Wikipedia for their unreliable information is like expecting Fox News to always report on the facts.[/quote]

Irrelevant. 

Still waiting for that evidence that refutes the wiki. 

[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...  

Vigil says it's the Conduit, various characters say it's the Conduit. Wiki says it's the Conduit.

Where's the lie?[/quote]Again Vigil doesn't say what the Conduit exactly is. [/quote]

"The Conduit is the key. Before the Reapers attacked we Protheans were on the cusp of unlocking the mysteries behind Mass Relay technology. Illos was a top-secret facility. Here, researchers worked to create a small-scale version of a Mass Relay. One that linked directly to the Citadel, the hub of the Relay network.
"The Conduit's not a weapon, it's a backdoor into the Citadel!"

"Using the Conduit they gained access to the Citadel"

"The one you call Saren will use the Conduit to bypass the Citadel's defences"

"Where's the Citadel's master control unit? I've never heard of anything like that."
"Through the Conduit, follow Saren, he will lead you to your destination."

"What happened to the survivors of the Conduit project?"
"They used the Conduit to gain access to the Citadel, but the Conduit is only a prototype, the portal only links in one direction so they were trapped on the station."

Multiple times actually.  

[quote]If the Conduit was actually a one-way relay to the Citadel then Sovreign wouldn't need that to go to the Conduit on the Citadel.[/quote]

Sovereign doesn't need it, it doesn't want to use the Conduit. It wants SAREN to use the Conduit to bypass the Citadel's security so Saren can access the control panel and give Sovereign manual control so it can open the Mass Relay to Darkspace.

[quote]Also the Prothean wouldn't have sabotage the one-way relay when they thought they were going to be woken up later on.[/quote]

They didn't sabotage it. They sabotaged the Keeper signal when they got to the Citadel after using the Conduit. It's a one-way by design.

This is fact. Vigil tells us all of this.
 
[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Wait............ what? You're not going to edit it because you don't rely on wrong information? So the information you're relying on is wrong? So you're wrong then? [/quote]I have no reason to when someone would just remove it with another edit, which is why Wikia and Wikipedia is far from as accurate as you think.[/quote]

Stop speaking in irrelevant generalities. Wiki's being potentially inaccurate because it's all written by humans is completely irrelevant.

The wiki IS accurate because it matches what happens in the game. Edit it if you don't think it is, with whatever evidence you think you have.

[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...  

But you're also saying all the quotes, pictures, and videos provided that show what the Conduit is, are all wrong. Well that's just blatant stupidity. Can't get more conclusive than Vigil telling us the minature Mass Relay on Illos is the Conduit.[/quote]Anyone can quote something whether its out of context or in context. [/quote]

Irrelevant. Direct quotes from Vigil are in context. Refute them with counter evidence.

[quote] Any picture can be edited just like any video can as well.  The Internet as a whole is more about what is opinion other then what is fact like the GOP.[/quote]

So... you're saying that's all unreliable because it could have been edited.

That's just laughable. So there's literally no way either of us can argue a point then, because you're an idiot.

[eternalnightmare13]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

If they were such amazingly important plot points, It should have been stated in the game. That is the difference between good writing and bad.

The games themselves should have all the information you need to understand it. If something important happened in one of the books that effects the main game, then I need to know what happened, why it happened, and what the consequences are of what happened.

If the audience is having to ask questions, you've failed as a writer. I'm sorry for how harsh that sounds but the point to being an author is to clearly convey messages and story and asking questions shows that they either didn't state something clearly or didn't state what they needed to in the first place.

+1

I see the books/comics as a money grab.  If they want to develop/expand on a character in them that's fine,but major story elements/plots shouldn't be included in supplemental materials if they're going to impact the storyline in the game.  That's just incredibly stupid.  Imagine them revealing Vader is Luke's father in a novel between Empire Strikes Back, and ROTJ and just assuming everyone read it and not bothering to explain it in the ROTJ.

[Blueprotoss]

[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...

More meaningless words. Evidence please.[/quote]Again how is that when you're doing the insulting here.

[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Irrelevant.[/quote]I still love the irony thats still present here since you still don't know what "trolling" is.

[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...  

We're both off-topic and yes I am insulting you.[/quote]So you just admitted the truth, which is suprising that you're a hypocrite on using "troll". 

[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...  

Something that isn't contradicted. Vigil tells you it's the Condiuit, multiple times. What's more concrete than that? 

Evidence for yout statements please.

Multiple times actually. 

The game also labels the object itself as the Conduit. BioWare labels the miniature Mass Relay as the Conduit. [/quote]Yet Vigil doesn't say what the Conduit exactly is and the Conduit is on the Citadel not on Illos.

[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Irrelevant. 

Still waiting for that evidence that refutes the wiki.[/quote]How is this irrelvent when using Wikia and Wikipedia for their unreliable information is like expecting Fox News to always report on the facts.

[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...  

Sovereign doesn't need it, it doesn't want to use the Conduit. It wants SAREN to use the Conduit to bypass the Citadel's security so Saren can access the control panel and give Sovereign manual control so it can open the Mass Relay to Darkspace.[/quote]Yet Sovreign did need the Conduit because its the cotrol center in the Citadel.

[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...  

They didn't sabotage it. They sabotaged the Keeper signal when they got to the Citadel after using the Conduit. It's a one-way by design.

This is fact. Vigil tells us all of this.[/quote]Yet Vigil does tell us about all of the known sabotages on the Citadel including the Conduit.
 
[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Stop speaking in irrelevant generalities. Wiki's being potentially inaccurate because it's all written by humans is completely irrelevant.

The wiki IS accurate because it matches what happens in the game. Edit it if you don't think it is, with whatever evidence you think you have.[/quote]I still have no reason to when someone would just remove it with another edit.  Wikia and Wikipedia are still far from as accurate as you think.

[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...  

Irrelevant. Direct quotes from Vigil are in context. Refute them with counter evidence.[/quote]Again anyone can quote something whether its out of context or in context.  Its nothing new when direct quotes are misused on BSN like Bioware quotes.

[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

So... you're saying that's all unreliable because it could have been edited.[/quote]Anything can be edited and thats nothing new about the Internet.

[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...  

That's just laughable. So there's literally no way either of us can argue a point then, because you're an idiot.[/quote]Yet I'm not doing this but you are.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 14 septembre 2012 - 04:15 .

[Blueprotoss]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

+1

I see the books/comics as a money grab.  If they want to develop/expand on a character in them that's fine,but major story elements/plots shouldn't be included in supplemental materials if they're going to impact the storyline in the game.  That's just incredibly stupid.  Imagine them revealing Vader is Luke's father in a novel between Empire Strikes Back, and ROTJ and just assuming everyone read it and not bothering to explain it in the ROTJ.

Expanded universe is nothing new and its has always been optional just like in Star Wars.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 14 septembre 2012 - 04:17 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I still love the irony thats still present here since you still don't know what "trolling" is.

Irrelevant. 

So you just admitted the truth, which is suprising that you're a hypocrite on using "troll".

The irony....... ouch. 

Yet Vigil doesn't say what the Conduit exactly is and the Conduit is on the Citadel not on Illos.

Vigil tells you exactly what it is. Sorry. 

How is this irrelvent when using Wikia and Wikipedia for their unreliable information is like expecting Fox News to always report on the facts.

Your opinion of a wiki is irrelevant to the point. Where's your evidence to refute the wiki?

Yet Sovreign did need the Conduit because its the cotrol center in the Citadel.

Nope. Please play ME1 again. 

Yet Vigil does tell us about all of the known sabotages on the Citadel including the Conduit.

Evidence please. I've quoted Vigil telling you exactly what the Conduit is. At no point does he say anything about sabotaging the Conduit. 
 

I still have no reason to when someone would just remove it with another edit.  Wikia and Wikipedia are still far from as accurate as you think.

Your opinion on the wiki is irrelevant. Refute what it says. 

Again anyone can quote something whether its out of context or in context.  Its nothing new when direct quotes are misused on BSN like Bioware quotes.

Direct quotes from Vigil are not out of context. Please provide counter evidence. 

Anything can be edited and thats nothing new about the Internet.

Please proove that they are edited or provide counter evidence. 

Yet I'm not doing this but you are.

I'm aguing using evidence. 

You aren't. 

I win.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 14 septembre 2012 - 04:59 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

BlueProtoss why do you think that the Conduit is the Citadel Control center?

It's stated numerous times in-game to be the Protheans attempt at a Relay.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim or are you just arguing for fun?

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 14 septembre 2012 - 05:16 .

[m2iCodeJockey]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

BlueProtoss why do you think that the Conduit is the Citadel Control center?

It's stated numerous times in-game to be the Protheans attempt at a Relay.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim or are you just arguing for fun?

He just proved that it's not impossible for a person to need novel/comic to understand a pointer scene, which, itself, was supposed to exposition the plot.

It reminds me of the story of hitchcock working on the release of Vertigo. He was so upset that people didn't get the end of the movie without the "Kim Novak spills the beans" scene because twist plots weren't common.
I was shown the movie without it and thought the movie was bad-assed for its day! Then I saw that scene reinserted and was: * o_O * "...Less is more..."

So, a valid counter argument to OP would be: "There are some points that some people won't get no matter what method of exposition is used."

Modifié par m2iCodeJockey, 15 septembre 2012 - 12:33 .