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[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Irrelevant.

Misusing a word like "trolling" isn't irrelevant even when insulting someone is clearly off-topic.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

The irony....... ouch.

Yes the irony is coming from you.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Vigil tells you exactly what it is. Sorry.

If you're going to use sarcasm then use it correctly.  Either way Vigil doesn't say what the Conduit exactly is and the Conduit is on the Citadel not on Illos.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Your opinion of a wiki is irrelevant to the point. Where's your evidence to refute the wiki?

Thats actually a fact that Wikias and Wikipedias are unreliable especially when reports are involved.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Nope. Please play ME1 again.

Yet you should because I know what I'm talking about unlike you.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Evidence please. I've quoted Vigil telling you exactly what the Conduit is. At no point does he say anything about sabotaging the Conduit.

I have already given you evidence but its funny how your points are based on opinion not facts.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Your opinion on the wiki is irrelevant. Refute what it says.

Thats fact not opinion just like how Fox News is usually wrong, which ironically Fox News does use Wikipedia a lot.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Direct quotes from Vigil are not out of context. Please provide counter evidence.

Again anyone can quote something whether its out of context or in context.  Its nothing new when direct quotes are misused on BSN like Bioware quotes.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Please proove that they are edited or provide counter evidence.

The Internet has proof everywhere that anything can be edited.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

I'm aguing using evidence. 

You aren't. 

I win.

You're arguing with opinion and there's no superior opinion, which means you can't win with opinion.

[Blueprotoss]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

BlueProtoss why do you think that the Conduit is the Citadel Control center?

It's stated numerous times in-game to be the Protheans attempt at a Relay.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim or are you just arguing for fun?

If that was stated numerous times then the Protheans wouldn't sabotage the one way relay on Illos and Sovreign wouldn't have looked at the Citadel for the Conduit.

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

He just proved that it's not impossible for a person to need novel/comic to understand a pointer scene, which, itself, was supposed to exposition the plot.

It reminds me of the story of hitchcock working on the release of Vertigo. He was so upset that people didn't get the end of the movie without the "Kim Novak spills the beans" scene because twist plots weren't common.
I was shown the movie without it and thought the movie was bad-assed for its day! Then I saw that scene reinserted and was: * o_O * "...Less is more..."

So, a valid counter argument to OP would be: "There are some points that some people won't get no matter what method of exposition is used."

Insulting people will never help you and opinion is far from a valid counter. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 15 septembre 2012 - 07:36 .

[o Ventus]

BiO_MaN wrote...

The most popular one, thinking that TIM is indoctrinated, which is completely wrong, is expanded on Evolution. Or that Omega is built by the Reapers in Retribution.

When the being that controls the Reapers tells you that TIM is indoctrinated, one is inclined to believe it.

[o Ventus]

BiO_MaN wrote...

If TIM was indoctrinated, why the hell did he revive Shepard and pit him against the collectors?

Harbinger makes numerous comments in ME2 about wanting to collect Shepard's body. It's not beyond belief that he would have TIM reconstruct Shepard and send Shepard off to fight the Collectors with the expectation that the Collectors would kill or capture Shepard.

[m2iCodeJockey]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Insulting people will never help you and opinion is far from a valid counter.

You were given screenshots on top of references.

Read the subtitles between the Watcher's Chamber and rushing the mini-relay.
When you ask Vigil about the Conduit, a squad member says: "The Conduit is not a weapon. It is a back door onto the Citadel."
At the end of the trench, that same squad member says "Look at the beautiful Conduit" just before the cut with the Destiny-Ascension captain calling "Evacuate the Council."

At the end of the Watcher's Chamber conversation, the dialog wheel says "Investigate" on the left and "Let's go!" on the right. "Investigate" then, "Prothean Researchers." This may be the only place Vigil says enough in one phrase to, without another character, tell the player the Conduit is the prototype on Ilos.

Beside that, the only way to cleanly point out the Conduit's location is with a book.

Modifié par m2iCodeJockey, 17 septembre 2012 - 12:47 .

[Blueprotoss]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

You were given screenshots on top of references.

Read the subtitles between the Watcher's Chamber and rushing the mini-relay.
When you ask Vigil about the Conduit, a squad member says: "The Conduit is not a weapon. It is a back door onto the Citadel."
At the end of the trench, that same squad member says "Look at the beautiful Conduit" just before the cut with the Destiny-Ascension captain calling "Evacuate the Council."

At the end of the Watcher's Chamber conversation, the dialog wheel says "Investigate" on the left and "Let's go!" on the right. "Investigate" then, "Prothean Researchers." This may be the only place Vigil says enough in one phrase to, without another character, tell the player the Conduit is the prototype on Ilos.

Beside that, the only way to cleanly point out the Conduit's location is with a book.

Opinion is opinion and fact is fact.  The Conduit is in the Citadel hence why Protheans scientists sabotaged it and Sovreign had to manually access it.  If the one-way relay on Illos would have been sabotaged by the Protheans then Vigil wouldn't have been important.

[The Night Mammoth]

[quote]Blueprotoss wrote...

[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Vigil tells you exactly what it is. Sorry.[/quote]If you're going to use sarcasm then use it correctly. [/quote]

I did. I'm not actually sorry.

[quote]Either way Vigil doesn't say what the Conduit exactly is and the Conduit is on the Citadel not on Illos.[/quote]

It tells you repeatedly, you just don't want to admit it because that would make you wrong. 

[quote]Thats actually a fact that Wikias and Wikipedias are unreliable especially when reports are involved.[/quote]

Moron logic. 

Please provide some sort of evidence to support your argument. 

[quote]Yet you should because I know what I'm talking about unlike you.[/quote]

Says the person provided with videos, screenshots, direct quotes and denies them all under some bullsh*t assertion that 'things can be edited', and provides literally zero evidence of his own. 

You say you like debating. Please have a go at actually debating the point, rather than what you're doing now, which is repeating the same unsupported assertions despite being proven wrong almost sixty times. 


[quote]I have already given you evidence[/quote]

Lie. You have not. Not once.

[quote]but its funny how your points are based on opinion not facts.[/quote]

Quoting a character directly from the game is not be telling you my opinion. Consult a dictionary in order to use the words 'fact' and 'opinion' correctly in the future. 

[quote]Thats fact not opinion just like how Fox News is usually wrong, which ironically Fox News does use Wikipedia a lot.[/quote]

I'm not using the wiki to support my argument. Please provide counter evidence to support your assertion. 

[quote]Again anyone can quote something whether its out of context or in context.  Its nothing new when direct quotes are misused on BSN like Bioware quotes.[/quote]

Direct quotes from a character in the game who tells us exactly what the Conduit is, are not out of context. Please research the word 'context' before replying. Please provide counter evidence. 

[quote]The Internet has proof everywhere that anything can be edited.[/quote]

Moron logic. 

Anything can be edited, therefore nothing is reliable. Hilarious.

Please provide some sort of of evidence. 

[quote]You're arguing with opinion and there's no superior opinion, which means you can't win with opinion.
[/quote]

Quoting the game is not opinion. 

You've already lost, I just like reading your moron logic. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

You were given screenshots on top of references.

Read the subtitles between the Watcher's Chamber and rushing the mini-relay.
When you ask Vigil about the Conduit, a squad member says: "The Conduit is not a weapon. It is a back door onto the Citadel."
At the end of the trench, that same squad member says "Look at the beautiful Conduit" just before the cut with the Destiny-Ascension captain calling "Evacuate the Council."

At the end of the Watcher's Chamber conversation, the dialog wheel says "Investigate" on the left and "Let's go!" on the right. "Investigate" then, "Prothean Researchers." This may be the only place Vigil says enough in one phrase to, without another character, tell the player the Conduit is the prototype on Ilos.

Beside that, the only way to cleanly point out the Conduit's location is with a book.

Opinion is opinion and fact is fact.  The Conduit is in the Citadel hence why Protheans scientists sabotaged it and Sovreign had to manually access it.  If the one-way relay on Illos would have been sabotaged by the Protheans then Vigil wouldn't have been important.

Prove it. 

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

You were given screenshots on top of references.

Read the subtitles between the Watcher's Chamber and rushing the mini-relay.
When you ask Vigil about the Conduit, a squad member says: "The Conduit is not a weapon. It is a back door onto the Citadel."
At the end of the trench, that same squad member says "Look at the beautiful Conduit" just before the cut with the Destiny-Ascension captain calling "Evacuate the Council."

At the end of the Watcher's Chamber conversation, the dialog wheel says "Investigate" on the left and "Let's go!" on the right. "Investigate" then, "Prothean Researchers." This may be the only place Vigil says enough in one phrase to, without another character, tell the player the Conduit is the prototype on Ilos.

Beside that, the only way to cleanly point out the Conduit's location is with a book.

Opinion is opinion and fact is fact.  The Conduit is in the Citadel hence why Protheans scientists sabotaged it and Sovreign had to manually access it.  If the one-way relay on Illos would have been sabotaged by the Protheans then Vigil wouldn't have been important.

Prove it. 

Logic isn't your friend especially when you focus on opinion and fallacies.  Its ironic that you're still tring to talk about "facts" when you're only focusing on opinion, whic you have said enough on previous pages on this and other topics.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:32 .

[Foolsfolly]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

If they were such amazingly important plot points, It should have been stated in the game. That is the difference between good writing and bad.

The games themselves should have all the information you need to understand it. If something important happened in one of the books that effects the main game, then I need to know what happened, why it happened, and what the consequences are of what happened.

If the audience is having to ask questions, you've failed as a writer. I'm sorry for how harsh that sounds but the point to being an author is to clearly convey messages and story and asking questions shows that they either didn't state something clearly or didn't state what they needed to in the first place.

QFT.

[Marauder Shieldz]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

If they were such amazingly important plot points, It should have been stated in the game. That is the difference between good writing and bad.

The games themselves should have all the information you need to understand it. If something important happened in one of the books that effects the main game, then I need to know what happened, why it happened, and what the consequences are of what happened.

If the audience is having to ask questions, you've failed as a writer. I'm sorry for how harsh that sounds but the point to being an author is to clearly convey messages and story and asking questions shows that they either didn't state something clearly or didn't state what they needed to in the first place.

This. 

/Thread.

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

You were given screenshots on top of references.

Read the subtitles between the Watcher's Chamber and rushing the mini-relay.
When you ask Vigil about the Conduit, a squad member says: "The Conduit is not a weapon. It is a back door onto the Citadel."
At the end of the trench, that same squad member says "Look at the beautiful Conduit" just before the cut with the Destiny-Ascension captain calling "Evacuate the Council."

At the end of the Watcher's Chamber conversation, the dialog wheel says "Investigate" on the left and "Let's go!" on the right. "Investigate" then, "Prothean Researchers." This may be the only place Vigil says enough in one phrase to, without another character, tell the player the Conduit is the prototype on Ilos.

Beside that, the only way to cleanly point out the Conduit's location is with a book.

Opinion is opinion and fact is fact.  The Conduit is in the Citadel hence why Protheans scientists sabotaged it and Sovreign had to manually access it.  If the one-way relay on Illos would have been sabotaged by the Protheans then Vigil wouldn't have been important.

Prove it. 

Logic isn't your friend especially when you focus on opinion and fallacies.  Its ironic that you're still tring to talk about "facts" when you're only focusing on opinion, whic you have said enough on previous pages on this and other topics.

But you're talking about facts? 

Maybe. 

But you've failed to prove it. Why not try that instead of resorting to some bullsh*t arrogant troll logic defense. 

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Logic isn't your friend especially when you focus on opinion and fallacies.  Its ironic that you're still tring to talk about "facts" when you're only focusing on opinion, whic you have said enough on previous pages on this and other topics.

But you're talking about facts? 

Maybe. 

But you've failed to prove it. Why not try that instead of resorting to some bullsh*t arrogant troll logic defense.

Opinion is opinion and fact is fact.  You can't hide behind opinion to prove facts to be "wrong".

[Heimdall]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Logic isn't your friend especially when you focus on opinion and fallacies.  Its ironic that you're still tring to talk about "facts" when you're only focusing on opinion, whic you have said enough on previous pages on this and other topics.

But you're talking about facts? 

Maybe. 

But you've failed to prove it. Why not try that instead of resorting to some bullsh*t arrogant troll logic defense.

Opinion is opinion and fact is fact.  You can't hide behind opinion to prove facts to be "wrong".

That seems to be precisely what you're doing.

[JBPBRC]

Marauder Shieldz wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

If they were such amazingly important plot points, It should have been stated in the game. That is the difference between good writing and bad.

The games themselves should have all the information you need to understand it. If something important happened in one of the books that effects the main game, then I need to know what happened, why it happened, and what the consequences are of what happened.

If the audience is having to ask questions, you've failed as a writer. I'm sorry for how harsh that sounds but the point to being an author is to clearly convey messages and story and asking questions shows that they either didn't state something clearly or didn't state what they needed to in the first place.

This. 

/Thread.

[Kel Riever]

OP: Back atcha!

Modifié par Kel Riever, 10 octobre 2012 - 03:35 .

[Blueprotoss]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Logic isn't your friend especially when you focus on opinion and fallacies.  Its ironic that you're still tring to talk about "facts" when you're only focusing on opinion, whic you have said enough on previous pages on this and other topics.

But you're talking about facts? 

Maybe. 

But you've failed to prove it. Why not try that instead of resorting to some bullsh*t arrogant troll logic defense.

Opinion is opinion and fact is fact.  You can't hide behind opinion to prove facts to be "wrong".

That seems to be precisely what you're doing.

Yet I'm only using facts here especially when Bioware decides what happens to ME since they did create it and control the rights to it.  I guess the "I'm rubber you're glue " defense will still be used by some as a logical fallacy like a strawman or an ad hominem.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 10 octobre 2012 - 05:29 .