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[vonSlash]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

thinking that TIM is indoctrinated, which is completely wrong

Catalyst outright tells you this in the ending so I think you might be mistaken here.

Agreed. The books just tell you that he didn't succumb to the Reapers' will until after ME2. By ME3, he's under Reaper influence.


As for the earlier comment "Why did the Reapers attack Sanctuary if TIM is under their control?", it's possible that the Reapers did not find out about the involvement of unindoctrinated personnel like Henry Lawson (and their associated projects - it's likely that the Reapers simply thought Sanctuary was a facility for the mass production of implanted Cerberus troopers, and were unaware of the indoctrination and huskification research happening there) until shortly before Shepard arrives there. This would be consistent with TIM not being completely under Reaper control until he's implanted with Reaper tech during the course of ME3, as Sanctuary was set up before ME3 began. Once the Reapers implanted TIM, they could discover the full extent of what was going on in Sanctuary, decide that it's a threat, and deal with it.

Modifié par vonSlash, 07 septembre 2012 - 07:45 .

[MystEU]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

If they were such amazingly important plot points, It should have been stated in the game. That is the difference between good writing and bad.

The games themselves should have all the information you need to understand it. If something important happened in one of the books that effects the main game, then I need to know what happened, why it happened, and what the consequences are of what happened.

If the audience is having to ask questions, you've failed as a writer. I'm sorry for how harsh that sounds but the point to being an author is to clearly convey messages and story and asking questions shows that they either didn't state something clearly or didn't state what they needed to in the first place.

It's not bad writing. It's portraying what is actually important to the audience and easy to digest without an overwhelming amount of information that the typical gamer just doesn't care about. Those resources, such as the books and comics, are for those more serious fans who do care about all of the details. Consider that extra for you. Not something more to **** about.

[Morty Smith]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

If they were such amazingly important plot points, It should have been stated in the game. That is the difference between good writing and bad.

Thread ended right here, little one.

[Rudy Lis]

JPN17 wrote...

The trio of books written by Drew were decent enough.

Well, if info I've been fedwas from his books, they were not - such as 20 y.o. 2nd Lt and N7 Anderson.
Of course, some may say (already did) that I'm "nitpicking", but to each his own, I guess.

MystEU wrote...

It's not bad writing. It's portraying what is actually important to the audience and easy to digest without an overwhelming amount of information that the typical gamer just doesn't care about. Those resources, such as the books and comics, are for those more serious fans who do care about all of the details. Consider that extra for you. Not something more to **** about.

Yay! My favorite part: "more serious fans". Segregation begins! Reminds of me of bloody fight between "true" and "poser" emo we had to regulate back in my LE days. Who would've thought those emo are THAT aggresive?

But I digress.
What, it was so difficult to add "books" into games? Or it was basic greed and desire to milk community a little bit more? Sounds quite interesting...

And what about those who care about reading and miss those old days when you could read tonns of texts in game, because only first string of each dialogue was voiced over (if any), and/or those who paid for CE? Especially DD. In DD I didn't received none of physical items, yet I paid same price for it as for "physical" CE. Cost estimator in me objects, because it doesn't fits - either those who paid for CE paid less, either those who paid for DD paid more, for something they don't have. Not that I really wanted patch, lito-whatever and art book. Pfeh, even soundtrack. Bleh.

As they won't accept my evaluation of their "art", I won't accept their explanation "that's for physical copies sales", especially when online registration, confirmation, approval, and whatever they named their leash, are required to play it.
Plus, if I really like game, I'll order physical copy as well (and more than one). I did that with ME3, but while it was travelling here (took more than a month, just for reference), I already played digital and returned physical right in postal office. What's interesting, Amazon made no objection when I asked them about that.

So if you (not You personally) want me to buy your "extra", make it interesting, fair and reasonably priced (adequate for presented quality). Otherwise, I'll find where to spend my money.

Oh, and don't blame me for being "untrue" bioware fan (or do, really, what's the difference?) - before ME3 I never looked at any preview, review or something they make. I missed two games on purpose - KotOR, because I've been told "it's like NWN only in SW" and I had enough of that combat system during my (A)DnD days and Jade empire, because "China in her eyes" (kudos to Modern Talking) is not anywhere close. I even bought DA2 without looking. Ironically I got KotOR after all, during Steam summer sale and SW pack. Well, it's far from perfect BG, but much better than ME3. Although after "I saw you dancing" I'm not so sure we should blame ME3 animators for strange animations - they just were doing best they can.

P.S. Artistic integrity!

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 07 septembre 2012 - 10:30 .

[SackofCat]

I think the question of whether TIM was indoctrinated was purposefully left vague up until ME3. I could make compelling argument for both aides of the argument (though I think there is more evidence pointing to an unindoctrinated TIM).

However, in ME3 it is confusing. For instance, why would TIM have such poor taste in interior design? He probably knows enough about reapers to know that practically mounting the proto-reaper is not safe. If the reapers were not making him stupid I have trouble coming up with an explanation. Horizon points in both directions, etc. I think they should have been more subtle to do justice to TIM's character and the Cerberus arc.

As for the topic,
I agree with many posters that make the point that each game and the trilogy should have a cohesive self-contained story. If I understand the OPer's subtext, it seems like he/she is frustrated by bombastic exclamations born of ignorance. I doubt that applies to most people and reading the books does not necessarily inoculate one from behaving in a similar manner.

I don't think it is entirely relevant to this discussion but I have read each of the 3 books more than half a dozen times, have read the comics (only read synopsis of the Homeworlds series), and am relatively well versed in the Codex. If there was a ME Jeopardy I would do pretty well. I couldn't get through Deception more than once. It stopped being funny pretty quickly.

[Slayer299]

MystEU wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

If they were such amazingly important plot points, It should have been stated in the game. That is the difference between good writing and bad.

The games themselves should have all the information you need to understand it. If something important happened in one of the books that effects the main game, then I need to know what happened, why it happened, and what the consequences are of what happened.

If the audience is having to ask questions, you've failed as a writer. I'm sorry for how harsh that sounds but the point to being an author is to clearly convey messages and story and asking questions shows that they either didn't state something clearly or didn't state what they needed to in the first place.

It's not bad writing. It's portraying what is actually important to the audience and easy to digest without an overwhelming amount of information that the typical gamer just doesn't care about. Those resources, such as the books and comics, are for those more serious fans who do care about all of the details. Consider that extra for you. Not something more to **** about.

1. So, what you're saying is that gamers are so simple-minded/attention-deficited that they cannot think about anything like 'fighting' or 'reading'or 'thinking' at the same time then? 

2. You're attitude about 'serious gamers' and 'typical gamers' is why EA thinks how they do; that it is okay to spread information that should be in-game into books/cartoons/comics/tweets is acceptable.  

3. Wrong again, I bought a product, I am not happy with said product I can b***** about it all I wish.

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Modifié par Slayer299, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:33 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Forcing us to buy extra merchandise to fully understand the story? Only at EAware, I suppose.

[Blueprotoss]

anorling wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

Given the excessive QFT of "If a games story needs other media to fill in the vast majority of the blanks, its a bad story." leads me to believe most of you don't even care about the story in the first place.

Personally I was refering more to the "I should not have to refer to sources outside the game for relevant in game information." quote.

Bioware failed to convey vital story information inside the game. Thats either lazy, stupid or both.

I'm perfectly fine with them releasing books and such. But that should be isolated stories. And any tie-ins with the story taking place in the games shuold be trivial at most.

Shepards story started on a game and any information relevant to the plot should have been conveyed on that medium during the three games.

I realize that they just want to sqeueeze a few more dollars out of the story and that is why they did this. But that doesn't mean I like it.

This is contradicting because "missing" something is on your hands since expanded universes isn't anything new.  Heck, Gears of War 3 an Halo 4 have a lot of story input from their respective books and/or comics.

[Blueprotoss]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

Given the excessive QFT of "If a games story needs other media to fill in the vast majority of the blanks, its a bad story." leads me to believe most of you don't even care about the story in the first place.

Or maybe its a bad idea to leave out key plot points in the main Mass Effect media which started everything in the first place, y'know, the games? If extra media is required, not bonus, content then you're simply doing it wrong and shows an incredible amount of laziness in the storytelling because you're relying on someone else to fill in the gaps you simply can't be bothered filling.

And whether you like it or not, many people seem to agree.

If thats the case then their would be a "massive" amount of disagreement when it comes to the 3 books that introduce Halo or the novels/comics that give Gears of War 3's backstory with some of the characters like Jace, Bernie, and Barrick.

[Blueprotoss]

JPN17 wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

i didnt buy the game to read the book.

Well, if it's a good book, it's worth reading, problem is, topic-starter does not explain his isolated stance toward books quality (not that he has any obligations to do so) and most, if not all "franchise-based" books I've read were mediocre, with few shining moments on occasion.
I did some quick yahooing, it seems that books sold at price range 8-12 USD for paperback and more for other forms of edition. So if their quality (franchise isolated) is good, that's Ok price. If they as crappy as ME3 writing, well, no, thanks, I'll find better use for my money - new X-com is upcoming, for example.

The trio of books written by Drew were decent enough. Not pulitzer prize winners by any stretch of the imagination, but I personally thought they were entertaining, and easy reads. The Deitz novel does not count. Having said that, everyone who says they shouldn't have to look outside the game for pivotol plot information is correct. Plot relevant data needs to be in the game to form a cohesive story. But regarldess the OP is way off base with his assertion. The books and comics do nothing to explain the inconsistencies and the complete lack of logic regarding god kid, and how ME3 rendered ME and ME2 completely irrelevant. That's still what the majority of the complaints on here are about.

The Reaper AI wouldn't be an inconsistency in ME1 or ME2 based on how the Protheans sabotaged the Citadel and Harbinger was mentioned as the Reaper leader.  Either way most of the comics and novels for ME focused on backstory to fill in the time that Shepard was dead.  Either way if you need to look at the expanded universe to understand what happened in a the game series then you wouldn't like Gears of War 3 and Halo 4.

[Blueprotoss]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Forcing us to buy extra merchandise to fully understand the story? Only at EAware, I suppose.

The extra content thats in the novels and comics are just optional just like how DLC is optional.

[Atrumitos]

One could assume that shepard simply doesn't know all those "points". The current game makes sense then.

If you have read the books, Kai Leng makes sense as a villain too. If not, you'll hate him like I do ;P

[Blueprotoss]

Slayer299 wrote...

MystEU wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

If they were such amazingly important plot points, It should have been stated in the game. That is the difference between good writing and bad.

The games themselves should have all the information you need to understand it. If something important happened in one of the books that effects the main game, then I need to know what happened, why it happened, and what the consequences are of what happened.

If the audience is having to ask questions, you've failed as a writer. I'm sorry for how harsh that sounds but the point to being an author is to clearly convey messages and story and asking questions shows that they either didn't state something clearly or didn't state what they needed to in the first place.

It's not bad writing. It's portraying what is actually important to the audience and easy to digest without an overwhelming amount of information that the typical gamer just doesn't care about. Those resources, such as the books and comics, are for those more serious fans who do care about all of the details. Consider that extra for you. Not something more to **** about.

1. So, what you're saying is that gamers are so simple-minded/attention-deficited that they cannot think about anything like 'fighting' or 'reading'or 'thinking' at the same time then? 

2. You're attitude about 'serious gamers' and 'typical gamers' is why EA thinks how they do; that it is okay to spread information that should be in-game into books/cartoons/comics/tweets is acceptable.  

3. Wrong again, I bought a product, I am not happy with said product I can b***** about it all I wish.

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Straw-men are everywhere in this comment especialy when this comment is based on opinion.  Btw writing is subjective by nature which proves you wrong when your trying to turn opinions into facts.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:02 .

[MegaSovereign]

TIM's indoctrination was subtle up until the end.

Implanting himself only sped up the process.

[MegaSovereign]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Forcing us to buy extra merchandise to fully understand the story? Only at EAware, I suppose.

...That's what a lot of other popular game series do.

Halo is even worse about it.

[Slayer299]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

MystEU wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

If they were such amazingly important plot points, It should have been stated in the game. That is the difference between good writing and bad.

The games themselves should have all the information you need to understand it. If something important happened in one of the books that effects the main game, then I need to know what happened, why it happened, and what the consequences are of what happened.

If the audience is having to ask questions, you've failed as a writer. I'm sorry for how harsh that sounds but the point to being an author is to clearly convey messages and story and asking questions shows that they either didn't state something clearly or didn't state what they needed to in the first place.

It's not bad writing. It's portraying what is actually important to the audience and easy to digest without an overwhelming amount of information that the typical gamer just doesn't care about. Those resources, such as the books and comics, are for those more serious fans who do care about all of the details. Consider that extra for you. Not something more to **** about.

1. So, what you're saying is that gamers are so simple-minded/attention-deficited that they cannot think about anything like 'fighting' or 'reading'or 'thinking' at the same time then? 

2. You're attitude about 'serious gamers' and 'typical gamers' is why EA thinks how they do; that it is okay to spread information that should be in-game into books/cartoons/comics/tweets is acceptable.  

3. Wrong again, I bought a product, I am not happy with said product I can b***** about it all I wish.

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Straw-men are everywhere in this comment especialy when this comment is based on opinion.  Btw writing is subjective by nature which proves you wrong when your trying to turn opinions into facts.

1. Where did I say anything about writing for ME3 or anything else?

2. When did I state my opinion is fact?

[Blueprotoss]

Slayer299 wrote...

1. Where did I say anything about writing for ME3 or anything else?

You didn't directly mention writing while wiriting is opinion based just like everything in your posts.

Slayer299 wrote... 

2. When did I state my opinion is fact?

You have somewhat of a "my way or the highway" attitude like how you feel that Bioware shouldn't do in their expanded universe.  Either ME's expanded universe is optional unlike what was done with Gears of War 3 and Halo 4.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 07 septembre 2012 - 04:49 .

[Rudy Lis]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Reaper AI wouldn't be an inconsistency in ME1 or ME2 based on how the Protheans sabotaged the Citadel and Harbinger was mentioned as the Reaper leader.  

Well, I think there is a difference between "AI" left to observe, collect and catalogue data and one who claim to be (or hinted to be, or not to bee, but a fly... ahem) their central controller, hub, whatever,  I am a simple man. I do not possess an engineering degree, nor am I computerally inclined.
Simply put - having someone under their control is one thing, have someone who controls them is another.

Plus, regardless of books, why MRN (and Citadel) wasn't blockaded (blockaded, not techically shutted down, what, apparently was blocked by protheans)? According to those annoying unskippable vids any ship with intentions to use MRN should came very close to Relay to proceed. It's not even a hunt, more like a shooting range.

Blueprotoss wrote...

Either way most of the comics and novels for ME focused on backstory to fill in the time that Shepard was dead.

So... why put something plot-critical into them and not imply it into game? Say same Liara give Shepard her "report on things while you was dead", since "it's too long to tell personally" (and expensive).

Blueprotoss wrote...

Either way if you need to look at the expanded universe to understand what happened in a the game series then you wouldn't like Gears of War 3 and Halo 4.

Star Wars? Expanded universe, Mara Jade... I'd say that's good form of expansion - all critical events shown in three core movies (I'm not that big fan of first three, I mean Ep1-3), all else is optional. And sometimes it is interesting to read. Or watch. Or play.

Anyway, difference with GoW or Halo and ME is that I don't care about GoW or Halo. Absolutely. Not because they are shooters for me and I don't play shooters for story (minus, maybe, Metro 2033, but it was book-based and I read that book (several iterations of) before playing it, so, probably, it doesn't count that much), but because I didn't liked GoW that much and though I enjoyed Halo 1&2, I can't say I feel need to read expanding books.

ME story, on the contrary, I liked. At first, not now. Despite all those claims that it is "fully recycled and brought nothing new". Yeah, "CZ-75 is just double-action Browning High-Power".
Regardless, ME3 isn't shooter, it fails as one - not dynamic enough, not entertaining enough, not polished enough, and there is a WAY too much talking you can't skip. Also, as if wasn't enough, ME3 fails as RPG, because there is too much shooting and it is tedious, it is not entertaining, there is not enough dialogues and those present are directed for you and you don't even have illusion of choice: no matter where you mined your ore, at the end you'll get same plastic coffee cup, offered at price of Bohemian Crystal. Don't ask me how they managed to process ore into plastic, but ME3 events, by and large, are about as meaningfull as that. And no, I don't mean ending, it wasn't worst part of the game, it was on par with most of it. Valiant, Garrus and Indra were fine.

Atrumitos wrote...

If you have read the books, Kai Leng makes sense as a villain too. If not, you'll hate him like I do ;P

Well, I haven't read those books, but I don't hate him. He is just another guy, sort of male version of Phantom with coat stolen from Thane's shoulder and with plot-armour borrowed from Liara.

[JBPBRC]

BiO_MaN wrote...

Please, go read the additional ME content, like the books or the comics. If you don't have access to those, don't want to waste money on something you may not like, at least go read their plot on the wikias. Quite frankly, most of the ****ing on this forum is because some key points were made in the books and comics, and most players aren't aware of them. The most popular one, thinking that TIM is indoctrinated, which is completely wrong, is expanded on Evolution. Or that Omega is built by the Reapers in Retribution.

One shouldn't have to seek outside media to understand plots within the games. The game should need to be used to reference those things, not the other way around.

Halo, for instance. There's a crapton of stuff that goes on in the novels/comics, the majority of which goes unmentioned in the games, but those games are still coherent in their presentation of Master Chief ruining people's days, there the novels are used to add flavor and depth to the Haloverse, but mostly aren't required reading.

EDIT: ^ Barring anything about Halo 4 of course, since I haven't messed with Halo since Reach.

Modifié par JBPBRC, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:38 .

[Blueprotoss]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Well, I think there is a difference between "AI" left to observe, collect and catalogue data and one who claim to be (or hinted to be, or not to bee, but a fly... ahem) their central controller, hub, whatever,  I am a simple man. I do not possess an engineering degree, nor am I computerally inclined.
Simply put - having someone under their control is one thing, have someone who controls them is another.

Plus, regardless of books, why MRN (and Citadel) wasn't blockaded (blockaded, not techically shutted down, what, apparently was blocked by protheans)? According to those annoying unskippable vids any ship with intentions to use MRN should came very close to Relay to proceed. It's not even a hunt, more like a shooting range.

Guidance through observation is still leadership and thats what the Reaper AI does.  Either way the Reapers have control over the Citadel whether what the Protheans sabotaged.

Rudy Lis wrote... 

So... why put something plot-critical into them and not imply it into game? Say same Liara give Shepard her "report on things while you was dead", since "it's too long to tell personally" (and expensive).

Shepard still doesn't know what happened between his/her death and resurrection.  I have no problem getting extra story through the expanded universe or DLC.

Rudy Lis wrote... 

Star Wars? Expanded universe, Mara Jade... I'd say that's good form of expansion - all critical events shown in three core movies (I'm not that big fan of first three, I mean Ep1-3), all else is optional. And sometimes it is interesting to read. Or watch. Or play.

Its hard to say whats optional in Star Wars especially when it spans every medium and has been around for at least 20 years.

Rudy Lis wrote... 

Anyway, difference with GoW or Halo and ME is that I don't care about GoW or Halo. Absolutely. Not because they are shooters for me and I don't play shooters for story (minus, maybe, Metro 2033, but it was book-based and I read that book (several iterations of) before playing it, so, probably, it doesn't count that much), but because I didn't liked GoW that much and though I enjoyed Halo 1&2, I can't say I feel need to read expanding books.

You could careless about Halo and Gears while their expanded universe are more important then ME's expanded universe.

Rudy Lis wrote... 

ME story, on the contrary, I liked. At first, not now. Despite all those claims that it is "fully recycled and brought nothing new". Yeah, "CZ-75 is just double-action Browning High-Power".
Regardless, ME3 isn't shooter, it fails as one - not dynamic enough, not entertaining enough, not polished enough, and there is a WAY too much talking you can't skip. Also, as if wasn't enough, ME3 fails as RPG, because there is too much shooting and it is tedious, it is not entertaining, there is not enough dialogues and those present are directed for you and you don't even have illusion of choice: no matter where you mined your ore, at the end you'll get same plastic coffee cup, offered at price of Bohemian Crystal. Don't ask me how they managed to process ore into plastic, but ME3 events, by and large, are about as meaningfull as that. And no, I don't mean ending, it wasn't worst part of the game, it was on par with most of it. Valiant, Garrus and Indra were fine.

ME is an Action RPG that happens to have guns in it like Deus Ex, Alpha Protocol, Fable, Final Fantasy, and so on.  Its nothing new with ME3 especially when you look at ME1 and ME2.

[Blueprotoss]

JBPBRC wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

Please, go read the additional ME content, like the books or the comics. If you don't have access to those, don't want to waste money on something you may not like, at least go read their plot on the wikias. Quite frankly, most of the ****ing on this forum is because some key points were made in the books and comics, and most players aren't aware of them. The most popular one, thinking that TIM is indoctrinated, which is completely wrong, is expanded on Evolution. Or that Omega is built by the Reapers in Retribution.

One shouldn't have to seek outside media to understand plots within the games. The game should need to be used to reference those things, not the other way around.

Halo, for instance. There's a crapton of stuff that goes on in the novels/comics, the majority of which goes unmentioned in the games, but those games are still coherent in their presentation of Master Chief ruining people's days, there the novels are used to add flavor and depth to the Haloverse, but mostly aren't required reading.

EDIT: ^ Barring anything about Halo 4 of course, since I haven't messed with Halo since Reach.

There are 3 books that are basically a required read for Halo 4.  Another required read is every novel and comic in Gears to understand most of the new things in Gears 3.  There's nothing wrong with extra content even if its required to do so.

[Bolt-Action]

Last I checked, it's people right to discuss (or b/tch and complain as you call it) the story.

If people (myself included) do not wish to purchase the other media, again, their right. If I buy a book, it'll be a good book, if I purchase something ME related, it'll be DLC.

Modifié par Bolt-Action, 07 septembre 2012 - 07:47 .

[Blueprotoss]

Bolt-Action wrote...

Last I checked, it's people right to discuss (or b/tch and complain as you call it) the story.

If people (myself included) do not wish to purchase the other media, again, their right. If I buy a book, it'll be a good book, if I purchase something ME related, it'll be DLC.

Opinion is opinion and its okay when its just opinion.

[Rudy Lis]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Guidance through observation is still leadership and thats what the Reaper AI does. 

 

So, if you place RC camera somewhere and even if you create or buy sophisticated software, registering movement, recognizing visitors and by-passers and cataloging them, it will lead you? Or it just a tool allowing you to use gathered info as you see fit?

Blueprotoss wrote...

Either way the Reapers have control over the Citadel whether what the Protheans sabotaged.

Well, I'm more interested what exactly and how (not by "what means", but by "limiting which capabilities") they sabotaged. Unless docking Crucible actually broke that sabotage somehow.

Blueprotoss wrote...

Shepard still doesn't know what happened between his/her death and resurrection.  I have no problem getting extra story through the expanded universe or DLC.

Well, I wouldn't mind to, though I'd prefer to have more info in core media. What I want to know, whether or not those "expanders" are worthy investment. On books I have limited data, but according to what I've read or being told, they are not worthy. Leviathan... definitely not, according to people whom I trust since army service or earlier.

Blueprotoss wrote...

Its hard to say whats optional in Star Wars especially when it spans every medium and has been around for at least 20 years.

Somewhat agree. But what was in beginning? I guess that's the core and rest is expansion.

Blueprotoss wrote...

You could careless about Halo and Gears while their expanded universe are more important then ME's expanded universe.

Fine. But I don't care - I have zero interest in those series. As well as zero knowledge, so it's completely meaningless to discuss how Johnson was saved from "hug me, baby" or that aussie (I guess that's aussie, but who am I to judge, English is not my first language) talking soldier - I have no idea. Don't want to know, so don't waste your time explaining me that.

Blueprotoss wrote...

ME is an Action RPG that happens to have guns in it like Deus Ex, Alpha Protocol, Fable, Final Fantasy, and so on. 

Don't know for console titles - don't play them. Physical incompatibility with gamepads.
But as for Alpha protocol, I'd say minus control and save system, I like that game more than ME3. Despite all typical Obsidian family issues (or, probably, because of them - like your SO snoring into your ear and without it you can't sleep).
As for DE, if we exclude IW from it, I don't have problems with series. DE:HR is far better than ME3 in any aspect, including shells.  
Of course, maybe because in first place I'm not big fan of "pure shooters", like Serious Sam.

Blueprotoss wrote...

Its nothing new with ME3 especially when you look at ME1 and ME2.

Well, I'd disagree here. The further we get, the poorer writing is and accent shifting for action (I listed all that many times and currently do not want to re-post all that). Unfortunately, action is not that great, so I guess seating on two seats is really difficult.

[Blueprotoss]

Rudy Lis wrote...

So, if you place RC camera somewhere and even if you create or buy sophisticated software, registering movement, recognizing visitors and by-passers and cataloging them, it will lead you? Or it just a tool allowing you to use gathered info as you see fit?

ME3 won't be answering those questions anytime soon.  The answers would most likely be in ME4.

Rudy Lis wrote... 

Well, I'm more interested what exactly and how (not by "what means", but by "limiting which capabilities") they sabotaged. Unless docking Crucible actually broke that sabotage somehow.

So far the Conduit was sabotaged by the Protheans from what Vigil said in ME1.

Rudy Lis wrote... 

Well, I wouldn't mind to, though I'd prefer to have more info in core media. What I want to know, whether or not those "expanders" are worthy investment. On books I have limited data, but according to what I've read or being told, they are not worthy. Leviathan... definitely not, according to people whom I trust since army service or earlier.

Its more so if you're a fan of the series while I can say that the ME comics are enjoyable and interesting.

Rudy Lis wrote... 

Somewhat agree. But what was in beginning? I guess that's the core and rest is expansion.

Pretty much.

Rudy Lis wrote... 

Fine. But I don't care - I have zero interest in those series. As well as zero knowledge, so it's completely meaningless to discuss how Johnson was saved from "hug me, baby" or that aussie (I guess that's aussie, but who am I to judge, English is not my first language) talking soldier - I have no idea. Don't want to know, so don't waste your time explaining me that.

It doesn't matter while there are required reads in Halo and Gears to better understand Halo and Gears 3.

Rudy Lis wrote... 

Don't know for console titles - don't play them. Physical incompatibility with gamepads.
But as for Alpha protocol, I'd say minus control and save system, I like that game more than ME3. Despite all typical Obsidian family issues (or, probably, because of them - like your SO snoring into your ear and without it you can't sleep).
As for DE, if we exclude IW from it, I don't have problems with series. DE:HR is far better than ME3 in any aspect, including shells.  
Of course, maybe because in first place I'm not big fan of "pure shooters", like Serious Sam.

It sounds like the lack of enjoyment in Shooters could have formed a bias in you.  Either way whats better is opinion just like what good or bad.

Rudy Lis wrote... 

Well, I'd disagree here. The further we get, the poorer writing is and accent shifting for action (I listed all that many times and currently do not want to re-post all that). Unfortunately, action is not that great, so I guess seating on two seats is really difficult.

Yet you're just proving that you don't like the balance in ME3 while it sounds like you would rather prefer a story focused ME1 or a gamplay focused ME2.