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Catalyst outright tells you this in the ending so I think you might be mistaken here.thinking that TIM is indoctrinated, which is completely wrong
Evolution doesn't prove that TIM is NOT indoctrinated. If anything it hints the opposite.
The Veluvian priests are not a normal form of indoctrination. TIM was not fully transformed, which allowed him to retain his identity, but it also showed him what the Reapers planned. Everything TIM does after that is to thwart the Reapers, not their arrival, but their cycle of harvest. Which is why he never told Shepard about the Alpha Relay, but instead targeted him at the Collectors.
Yes, as I said, Evolution does not exclude the possibility of TIM being indoctrinated. He was in a presence of the reaper artifact, and even more than that.
If TIM was indoctrinated, why the hell did he revive Shepard and pit him against the collectors?
There could be several reasons, however while playing 3, this is what went through my head on it. While Cerberus has some serious ethics issues, on the whole TIM really did want to save humans at the beginning of ME2, however, as he tells Shep, he stopped all other researce and whatnot to devote all resources to getting through the Omega 4 relay, he began to slip in mental thinking. Then his own ego took over when he got the Collector base info from EDI (whether you destroy it or not) and he was to power hungry not to want it all. Time passes from Shep telling him to ***k off at the end of ME2 and he goes hunting for his own quest for Godhood and by the time Shep runs into him on Mars, the man who revived Shep is not the same person or the same mind even as he was before. I don't think they ever say how long it really takes someone to become indoctrinated as it depends on the will of the person (like good ole Shep). There is plenty of time between destroying the Collectors and ME3 for him to become indoctrinated. Especially when you add in him inplating himself with reaper tech. As Jacob asks Shep, "were they blind?" and no they weren't, its just they didn't see while on their mission his beginning slide and once Shep tells him off, who knew what he did after that even more so. Plus, another thing to take into consideration is no matter what you choose to do to the collector base at the end, Cerberus goes and recovers parts of the human/reaper, which means people spent more time around reaper tech too.The Human/Reaper hybrid was also in TIM base and obviously not shielded and he spent all his time there around it. So yes, there is plenty of time for him to become indroctrinated.
Another thought if you like is this: If TIM was indoctrinated prior to reviving Shep, then why would he? All through the game Harbringer is constantly saying they want Shep. We know by now the Reapers want Shep pretty bad, but catching Her/Him has proven to be a royal flop for them. So what better way to catch Shep then to use an agent (TIM) to bring Shep back and then make Shep want to go to them and have a better chance of catching Shep alive? Now you may say if you did LotSB you learn the SB was going to hand Shep over, but Cerberus got Shep and revived Her/Him if he was already going to get Shep's body anyway? Well, if the Reapers really wanted to have Shep to see why they are unlike any other human, alive is preferable, but catching Shep was just not working, so they put into motion what they did and the used Shep's own drive to stop them into a trap to get a LIVE Shep in their hands. They already know Shep will not bow or bend on knee before them after his chat with Sovereign on Virmire and the battle at the citadel that Shep will fight no matter what and it is all consuming to Shep at that point. Laying out a trap like sending Her/Him after the collectors is exactly something like the reapers would do. Time is nothing to them and allowing Shep to build a team and go on the suicide mission is just a blink of an eye to them anyway, plus if TIM was indoctrinated, then they have a inside view on all of Shep's actions anyway. Is having Shep do that anymore time consuming then what they waited for with using Saren and the Geth? No. And if your going to ask, what about Shep killing all the collectors who work for the reapers, why would they send their slave race to their death, well obviously they don't care since they let them all die at the end as you see Harbringer tell the collector general anyway. So if it took making Shep "think" killing collectora was stopping the reapers, then why would they care? They were tools and expabdable tools at that too.
So thats my take on why I think TIM was indeed indoctrinated. Something I have thought since the beginning of ME2. With his spooky blue eyes, it just reminded me a little to much of Saren's to not think he was. As I played ME2, it just made it that much stronger to me that in ME3 we would find out he was, which is what was said anyway, by Shep, Anderson....and more....
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