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[spirosz]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

If a games story needs other media to fill in the vast majority of the blanks, its a bad story.

Period.

[Blueprotoss]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Transmitter on Ilos.
Receiver was the monument on the Citadel.
The Mako jumps from one to the other and the Geth blow the one on Ilos (the meaning of the countdown before the jump.) 

The story in ME1 was "Shepard tries to stop Saren before Saren finds and uses the Conduit." 
 Shepard failed that part. Saren is trying to find and use then, destroy the Conduit before activating the Citadel relay."
After meeting Vigil, the point was "Shepard tries to stop Saren from undoing the Protheans' sabotage."
This is why the end of ME3 makes no sense.

The Conduit is on the Citadel not Illos.  Its okay to be wrong even when Wikias are known to be unreliable at time but they aren't as bad as Wikipedia.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 11 septembre 2012 - 01:53 .

[Blueprotoss]

spirosz wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

If a games story needs other media to fill in the vast majority of the blanks, its a bad story.

Period.

Please explain because most of the blanks are just optional gaps to find out some extra information unless if you're looking at Gears of War 3 or Halo 4.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 11 septembre 2012 - 02:17 .

[MattFini]

BiO_MaN wrote...

Mass Effect is more than just the three games, wether you want it to be or not. Like I said, I am not going to defend Bioware's writing here, because the short dev time is the reason they were not able to flesh out their ideas, but you're just as much to blame here if you don't want to investigate further before complaining on the forums.

Yes, and I don't have to read some side Star Trek novel in order to follow Star Trek III, do I?

Same point here.

[Discouraged_one]

This proves how poor their marketing ideas are. Crucial information you seek yes? BUY MORE CONTENT

[m2iCodeJockey]

Blueprotoss wrote...
The Conduit is on the Citadel not Illos. Its okay to be wrong even when Wikias are known to be unreliable at time but they aren't as bad as Wikipedia.

Vigil said the Conduit was the prototype relay pair at the end of the trench.
That triggered Shepard listening to Liara saying the same thing in the screenshot.
Rudy Lis said the same thing.
DJSpectre said the same thing.
I linked a wiki for you, saying the same thing.

Clear your mind, listen to Vigil again.
"The Conduit" is the two relays, "a back door onto the Citadel." That is what Saren was after.
Shepard failed to stop him from getting there.

If "the Conduit" is anything else, there's no need to go to Ilos.

[fainmaca]

We bought this product expecting to have a complete and understandable narrative delivered to us. We shouldn't have to go construct the story for ourselves from outside influences such as novels and comics.

What you're suggesting is that we're at fault for complaining about a product that was missing components essential to its function. As though we would be at fault if we bought a car from a garage and then found out that the doors are supplied by another branch of the company that we ourselves have to go to to collect them from.

That's not just bad writing or poor marketing. That is downright WRONG. It breaks the covenant between producer and consumer.

[Blueprotoss]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
The Conduit is on the Citadel not Illos. Its okay to be wrong even when Wikias are known to be unreliable at time but they aren't as bad as Wikipedia.

Vigil said the Conduit was the prototype relay pair at the end of the trench.
That triggered Shepard listening to Liara saying the same thing in the screenshot.
Rudy Lis said the same thing.
DJSpectre said the same thing.
I linked a wiki for you, saying the same thing.

Clear your mind, listen to Vigil again.
"The Conduit" is the two relays, "a back door onto the Citadel." That is what Saren was after.
Shepard failed to stop him from getting there.

If "the Conduit" is anything else, there's no need to go to Ilos.

If the Conduit wasn't on the Citadel then Sovreign wouldn't have accessed it on the Citadel.

[Blueprotoss]

fainmaca wrote...

We bought this product expecting to have a complete and understandable narrative delivered to us. We shouldn't have to go construct the story for ourselves from outside influences such as novels and comics.

What you're suggesting is that we're at fault for complaining about a product that was missing components essential to its function. As though we would be at fault if we bought a car from a garage and then found out that the doors are supplied by another branch of the company that we ourselves have to go to to collect them from.

That's not just bad writing or poor marketing. That is downright WRONG. It breaks the covenant between producer and consumer.

ME3 is neither Gears of War 3 nor Halo 4 since the expanded universe in ME is just optional like how its done in Star Wars and Warhammer 40K. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:19 .

[m2iCodeJockey]

Blueprotoss wrote...

m2iCodeJockey wrote...
If "the Conduit" is anything else, there's no need to go to Ilos.

If the Conduit wasn't on the Citadel then Sovreign wouldn't have accessed it on the Citadel.

In ME1, turn on subtitles and play the end of the trench run on Ilos.
Sovereign doesn't give two sh**s about a "Conduit." "The Conduit" is what Saren was after to help prove his usefulness.

And, if external media is required and not even conspicuously named/referred to in dialog or product placement, the story is lacking.
In ME2, take a look at the books that can be purchased for the crew on the Citadel.
While that's cool, where can I get a subscription to "Fornax?"

Modifié par m2iCodeJockey, 11 septembre 2012 - 05:52 .

[Blueprotoss]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

m2iCodeJockey wrote...
If "the Conduit" is anything else, there's no need to go to Ilos.

If the Conduit wasn't on the Citadel then Sovreign wouldn't have accessed it on the Citadel.

In ME1, turn on subtitles and play the end of the trench run on Ilos.
Sovereign doesn't give two sh**s about a "Conduit." "The Conduit" is what Saren was after to help prove his usefulness.

And, if external media is required and not even conspicuously named/referred to in dialog or product placement, the story is lacking.
In ME2, take a look at the books that can be purchased for the crew on the Citadel.
While that's cool, where can I get a subscription to "Fornax?"

Yet I see smenatics being used even when Sovreign was trying to access the Conduit on the Citadel, which happens to be the control center for the Citadel.

[Blueprotoss]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So we have to play their nickel and dime game to get the whole story? Hell no. If that was the expectation from the start then I would've never given Bioware my money. I'm sick of game companies giving us unfinished products. Screw Bioware.

Have you played ME1 and ME2 because you would know that DLC is optional.

[m2iCodeJockey]

Blueprotoss wrote...

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

m2iCodeJockey wrote...
If "the Conduit" is anything else, there's no need to go to Ilos.

If the Conduit wasn't on the Citadel then Sovreign wouldn't have accessed it on the Citadel.

In ME1, turn on subtitles and play the end of the trench run on Ilos.
Sovereign doesn't give two sh**s about a "Conduit." "The Conduit" is what Saren was after to help prove his usefulness.

And, if external media is required and not even conspicuously named/referred to in dialog or product placement, the story is lacking.
In ME2, take a look at the books that can be purchased for the crew on the Citadel.
While that's cool, where can I get a subscription to "Fornax?"

Yet I see smenatics being used even when Sovreign was trying to access the Conduit on the Citadel, which happens to be the control center for the Citadel.

Try it. Subtitles on, end of trench run.

The Conduit is marked: "Conduit."
The Citadel control center is marked "Citadel Console."

[PanzerGr3nadier]

If books and comics wouldn't have any new info on them, they would be completely pointless.

ME is more than 3 main games.

[m2iCodeJockey]

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...
If books and comics wouldn't have any new info on them, they would be completely pointless.
ME is more than 3 main games.

That goes without saying. And how are you forever faithful with a big picture of Aria for an Avatar?

Seriously, the issue is: Does a plot point which requires one to read a comic/novel to understand do damage?
I think dangling participles, yes: (Jeff: "What's with those freaky eyes?")
Tie-ins and tie-back, no: Books for sale on the Citadel, Conrad & Jenna.

[PanzerGr3nadier]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...
If books and comics wouldn't have any new info on them, they would be completely pointless.
ME is more than 3 main games.

That goes without saying. And how are you forever faithful with a big picture of Aria for an Avatar?

Seriously, the issue is: Does a plot point which requires one to read a comic/novel to understand do damage?
I think dangling participles, yes: (Jeff: "What's with those freaky eyes?")
Tie-ins and tie-back, no: Books for sale on the Citadel, Conrad & Jenna.

And by that logic; Anderson must be your Love Interest?????

Since I've read all the books and comics (Deception not included), I can say that one, who hasn't read them has not missed anything crucial. For example, In ME1 Anderson tells you that he was supposed to be the first human Spectre... but the mission which he take went bad.. thats the main picture of whole deal... But how or why one would ask? ME:Revelation tells you... It gives you more information about what happened in that fateful day, But like I said, Its nothing "must know" info.

TL;DR The games will give you enough detail but Books and comics add more depth to them.

[Blueprotoss]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So we have to play their nickel and dime game to get the whole story? Hell no. If that was the expectation from the start then I would've never given Bioware my money. I'm sick of game companies giving us unfinished products. Screw Bioware.

Have you played ME1 and ME2 because you would know that DLC is optional.

Yet we have to buy the books to fully understand ME3's plot. Yet we have to buy a new copy or an online pass to get our EMS to an acceptable level. Yet we have to pay ten dollars to fully understand the Catlyst. Yet we have to pay ten dollars for content that was complete on release day. See what I'm getting at?

Buying the novels and comics are only optional just like DLC.

[Blueprotoss]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Try it. Subtitles on, end of trench run.

The Conduit is marked: "Conduit."
The Citadel control center is marked "Citadel Console."

Subtiles don't make a case even when the "Citadel console" isn't the Citadel's console because the Conduit is actually the Citadel's console.  Semantics are semantics and this subtile talk falls under that.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:01 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Try it. Subtitles on, end of trench run.

The Conduit is marked: "Conduit."
The Citadel control center is marked "Citadel Console."

Subtiles don't make a case even when the "Citadel console" isn't the Citadel's console because the Conduit is actually the Citadel's console.  Semantics are semantics and this subtile talk falls under that.

Why are people debating a basic and well known plot point from ME1? 

That miniature Relay you use to reach the Citadel from IIlos is the Conduit. Characters call it that, the game labels it that, the plot continuously acknowledges it as that. 

I'd as for some sort of citation form Blueprotoss but I'd never get one. 

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Why are people debating a basic and well known plot point from ME1? 

That miniature Relay you use to reach the Citadel from IIlos is the Conduit. Characters call it that, the game labels it that, the plot continuously acknowledges it as that. 

I'd as for some sort of citation form Blueprotoss but I'd never get one.

Ignorance will only produce moreignorance especially when Sovreign was trying to activate the Citadel's control panel that the Conduit was.  I hope you remember that the Protheans didn't sabotage that miniature Relay based on how Shepard went through it.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Nope.avi
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Conduit

[Blueprotoss]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Nope.avi
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Conduit

Yet the Wikia isn't evidence just like Wikipedia becauase they are there for quick reference not for 100% accurate information.  Again if Sovreign was looking for the Conduit then you won't be looking for it on the Citadel and the Protheans wouldn't sabotage their own entrance into the Citadel. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Why are people debating a basic and well known plot point from ME1? 

That miniature Relay you use to reach the Citadel from IIlos is the Conduit. Characters call it that, the game labels it that, the plot continuously acknowledges it as that. 

I'd as for some sort of citation form Blueprotoss but I'd never get one.

Ignorance will only produce moreignorance especially when Sovreign was trying to activate the Citadel's control panel that the Conduit was.  I hope you remember that the Protheans didn't sabotage that miniature Relay based on how Shepard went through it.

You think the Protheans sabotaged the Conduit? 

Why would you think that? That is never, ever stated. The Protheans tamper with the Keeper signal, and then Vigil gives you a way to tamper with the Mass Relay in the Citadel. The Conduit is a completely seperate thing, it's the minature Mass Relay that connects Ilos to the Citadel.