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[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Nope.avi
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Conduit

Yet the Wikia isn't evidence just like Wikipedia becauase they are there for quick reference not for 100% accurate information.  Again if Sovreign was looking for the Conduit then you won't be looking for it on the Citadel and the Protheans wouldn't sabotage their own entrance into the Citadel. 

Sovereign isn't looking for the Conduit, Saren is. 

And he finds it on Ilos. 

I'm really confused about why anyone would believe that thing labeled as the Conduit, and referred to as the Conduit multiple times, is not actually the Conduit. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

I'm sorry Mammoth but the logic you're looking for is in another castle.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 12 septembre 2012 - 04:23 .

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You think the Protheans sabotaged the Conduit?

Yes and you find this out from Vigil so the Reapers can't access it on the Citadel.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Why would you think that? That is never, ever stated. The Protheans tamper with the Keeper signal, and then Vigil gives you a way to tamper with the Mass Relay in the Citadel. The Conduit is a completely seperate thing, it's the minature Mass Relay that connects Ilos to the Citadel.

Vigil has no need to lie to Shepard.  The one way mini relay on Illos isn't the Conduit especially when Sovreign wouldn't need to do that to access the Citadel.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 12 septembre 2012 - 04:42 .

[Blueprotoss]

Greylycantrope wrote...

I'm sorry Mammoth but the logic you're looking for is in another castle.

Yet both of you aren't focusing on logic.

[GreyLycanTrope]

I see you're not interested in facts

[Blueprotoss]

Greylycantrope wrote...

I see you're not interested in facts

Yet I love facts like your love of opinion.

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You think the Protheans sabotaged the Conduit?

Yes and you find this out from Vigil so the Reapers can't access it on the Citadel.

Erm........ you've got the plot almost completely wrong. 

The Prothean scientists used the Conduit, the minature Mass Relay, to reach the Citadel, where they sabotage the Keepers so Sovereign can't remotely activate the Citadel Mass Relay. 

Vigil gives you some sort of file that allows you to sabotage the control panel so Sovereign can't do it manually, or is at least delayed. 

Fact. That's the story, there are no opinions on the matter. You are wrong.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Why would you think that? That is never, ever stated. The Protheans tamper with the Keeper signal, and then Vigil gives you a way to tamper with the Mass Relay in the Citadel. The Conduit is a completely seperate thing, it's the minature Mass Relay that connects Ilos to the Citadel.

Vigil has no need to lie to Shepard.  

He doesn't, you're wrong, that's all.

The one way mini relay on Illos isn't the Conduit especially when Sovreign wouldn't need to do that to access the Citadel.

It is. It's constantly referred to as the Conduit, go and play ME1 again. 

Sovereign doesn't need it to access the Citadel. He wasn't looking for it.
 
Saren was, as a back-door to bypass security. 

[Daxamite]

DJRackham wrote...

If the information is important to the game it should be included in the body of the game and not sold in out of game comics, novels, or sold as DLC content.

i agree with this. Anything external to the main game should fill in and enhance the story. So for example, the kahlee sanders plotline. I don't care who she is and I don;t need to. She calls for help in one of the ME3 side quests, i go help her. If i want to know more about her and Anderson, i can go read whatever book/sidegame she comes from, and if not, then i dont need to. 

I remember in babylon 5, which also involves superior aliens emerging every thousand years to wipe out advanced lifeforms, there was a lot of buildup to a plot arc involving the Centauri in the future, under occupation of the Dark Servants of the Shadows, their homeworld in flames, with Delenn and SHeridan betrrayed by their own son. We saw all the hints leading up to this,  and we see what happens 3 years later, but never got to see the actual plotline or how it was resolved. We had to read the books instead. THat pissed off a lot of fans! 

[m2iCodeJockey]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

I'm sorry Mammoth but the logic you're looking for is in another castle.

Yet both of you aren't focusing on logic.

Maybe your subtitle button is broken. Perhaps there's some mistake in your subtitles.
I know: You didn't have any saves on Ilos? That's understandable.

Vigil never tells what was sabotaged on the Citadel. It says the sabotage caused the keepers to ignore Sovereign's signal. Since the Conduit is one-way, how it knew specifically is a story flaw.

Maybe it's in a book...

Modifié par m2iCodeJockey, 12 septembre 2012 - 07:19 .

[JPR1964]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

If a games story needs other media to fill in the vast majority of the blanks, its a bad story.

Period.

My thoughts exactly...



JPr out!

[Blueprotoss]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Maybe your subtitle button is broken. Perhaps there's some mistake in your subtitles.
I know: You didn't have any saves on Ilos? That's understandable.

Vigil never tells what was sabotaged on the Citadel. It says the sabotage caused the keepers to ignore Sovereign's signal. Since the Conduit is one-way, how it knew specifically is a story flaw.

Mabe it's in a book...

Yet the Conduit isn't the min relay especially when the Protheans sabotaged the Conduit, which would mean the the mini realy wouldn't have worked.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 12 septembre 2012 - 05:55 .

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Erm........ you've got the plot almost completely wrong. 

The Prothean scientists used the Conduit, the minature Mass Relay, to reach the Citadel, where they sabotage the Keepers so Sovereign can't remotely activate the Citadel Mass Relay. 

Vigil gives you some sort of file that allows you to sabotage the control panel so Sovereign can't do it manually, or is at least delayed. 

Fact. That's the story, there are no opinions on the matter. You are wrong.

The Protheans sabotaged the Conduit along with the Keepers, which are on the Citadel not on Illos.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

He doesn't, you're wrong, that's all.

Again Vigil has no need to lie to Shepard. 

The Night Mammoth wrote...  

It is. It's constantly referred to as the Conduit, go and play ME1 again. 

Sovereign doesn't need it to access the Citadel. He wasn't looking for it.
 
Saren was, as a back-door to bypass security.

Saren was the back-door without the mini-relay on Illos and th Conduit is still the Citadel's control room.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 12 septembre 2012 - 05:58 .

[m2iCodeJockey]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet the Conduit isn't the min relay especially when the Protheans sabotaged the Conduit, which would mean the the mini realy wouldn't have worked.

Take a screenshot of someone saying the Conduit was sabotaged.

There, above, is a character in game telling you the Conduit is the relay at the end of the trench.

Modifié par m2iCodeJockey, 12 septembre 2012 - 06:04 .

[Gemini1179]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

If a games story needs other media to fill in the vast majority of the blanks, its a bad story.

Period.

^This. QFT.

Try telling people who hated "Revenge of the Sith" to read "Labyrinth of Evil" cause it makes it 'make sense'.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Conduit

Sorry Blueprotoss but you are wrong about this one.

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Erm........ you've got the plot almost completely wrong. 

The Prothean scientists used the Conduit, the minature Mass Relay, to reach the Citadel, where they sabotage the Keepers so Sovereign can't remotely activate the Citadel Mass Relay. 

Vigil gives you some sort of file that allows you to sabotage the control panel so Sovereign can't do it manually, or is at least delayed. 

Fact. That's the story, there are no opinions on the matter. You are wrong.

The Protheans sabotaged the Conduit along with the Keepers, which are on the Citadel not on Illos.

Citation please. 

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

He doesn't, you're wrong, that's all.

Again Vigil has no need to lie to Shepard.

He doesn't, you're just wrong.

The Night Mammoth wrote...  

It is. It's constantly referred to as the Conduit, go and play ME1 again. 

Sovereign doesn't need it to access the Citadel. He wasn't looking for it.
 
Saren was, as a back-door to bypass security.

Saren was the back-door without the mini-relay on Illos and th Conduit is still the Citadel's control room.

Saren was looking for the Conduit. He finds it on Illos. That's the plot of basically the entire game; finding the Conduit before Saren does.

Go play ME1 again or provide citations for your nonsense.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 12 septembre 2012 - 06:20 .

[Blueprotoss]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet the Conduit isn't the min relay especially when the Protheans sabotaged the Conduit, which would mean the the mini realy wouldn't have worked.

Take a screenshot of someone saying the Conduit was sabotaged.

There, above, is a character in game telling you the Conduit is the relay at the end of the trench.

Maybe you should listen to Vigil closely next time because the Protheans wouldn't sabotage a one way trip to the Citadel when they thought the rest of them on Illos wold be revived.

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Conduit

Sorry Blueprotoss but you are wrong about this one.

Wkias aren't as accurate as you think because they're unreliable but there purpose is for quick references.  Wikia isn't as bad as Wikipedia but both are still very bad to rely on. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 septembre 2012 - 02:16 .

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Citation please.

Its not that hard to replay ME1 to find out that the Protheans sabotaged the Conduit along with the Keepers, which are on the Citadel not on Illos.  Either way you would still deny deny deny.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

He doesn't, you're just wrong.

Again Vigil has no need to lie to Shepard and you just said that he doesn't need to lie.

The Night Mammoth wrote...  

Saren was looking for the Conduit. He finds it on Illos. That's the plot of basically the entire game; finding the Conduit before Saren does.

Saren does find out where the Conduit is on Illos and its in the Citadel.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Go play ME1 again or provide citations for your nonsense.

I played it 2 years ago and still remember most of it including this topic like it was yesterday.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 septembre 2012 - 02:26 .

[m2iCodeJockey]

Blueprotoss wrote...
I played it 2 years ago and still remember most of it including this topic like it was yesterday.

Did you play the game in English?

[drayfish]

Blueprotoss doesn't even believe in dictionaries, so Wikis might be a stretch...

EDIT: Sorry - that sounded more aggressive than I intended when I read it back (damnable internetwebs).  All I mean is that you will not be able to convince him.

Modifié par drayfish, 13 septembre 2012 - 03:06 .

[Blueprotoss]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
I played it 2 years ago and still remember most of it including this topic like it was yesterday.

Did you play the game in English?

Why wouldn't I and thats far from the point.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 septembre 2012 - 03:10 .

[Blueprotoss]

drayfish wrote...

Sorry - that sounded more aggressive than I intended when I read it back (damnable internetwebs).  All I mean is that you will not be able to convince him.

Thats okay for now, but Wikias are only used for quick references based on inaccurracies.  

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Citation please.

Its not that hard to replay ME1 to find out that the Protheans sabotaged the Conduit along with the Keepers, which are on the Citadel not on Illos.  Either way you would still deny deny deny.

It's been a while since I've argued with anyone quite as stupid as you. 

You're given the wiki, and deny it, you're given pictures, and deny that too, and you don't provide any sort of evidence to support anything you say.

This is bordering on trolling.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Go play ME1 again or provide citations for your nonsense.

I played it 2 years ago and still remember most of it including this topic like it was yesterday.

Evidently not. Citations please. 

[Someone With Mass]

I'm going with "If you need to explain the details in other media/stories, it's bad writing" but mostly because I'd never support the crap that is those horribly made comics.

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

It's been a while since I've argued with anyone quite as stupid as you.

Yet you're using opinions like you normally do. 

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

You're given the wiki, and deny it, you're given pictures, and deny that too, and you don't provide any sort of evidence to support anything you say.

If Wikias were as accurate as you say then they would always be right and never be wrong.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

This is bordering on trolling.

This isn't "trolling" at all.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Evidently not. Citations please.

Its ironic when you always want citations even when you just deny deny deny.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 septembre 2012 - 03:53 .