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[seitani]

I'm playing through ME 3 full paragon(savior of Krogan, savior of geth..blah..blah...) and im halfway through the game and already pondering which ending to choose. For renegade characters destroy was easy choice but now i don't which one fits for a full paragon character.

Modifié par seitani, 08 septembre 2012 - 05:32 .

[Isichar]

Your going to get different answers. What do you feel fits with your paragon Shepard? No one knows him better then you.

[essarr71]

This is kinda adorable.

[Drudez]

Destroy is the actual paragon ending, or even refuse.
But I think Isichar's response is a more accurate in some cases.

[BatmanPWNS]

Destroy because Anderson approves and what Anderson approves is paragon.

[seitani]

essarr71 wrote...

This is kinda adorable.

how?

[D24O]

Refuse.

[RadicalDisconnect]

There are no paragon or renegade endings.

[Taboo]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

There are no paragon or renegade endings.

[ThaDPG]

Well, TIM, the main antagonist in ME 3, wants to control the Reapers, so why would you tell TIM he's effed up and that isn't right, but then turn around and pick control anyway? And why would you force a genetic change on every sentient being in the galaxy without their consent? They both sound renegade to me. I gotta go with the people that choose Destroy or refuse as the "Paragon" choices

[ThaDPG]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

There are no paragon or renegade endings.

All 4 choices are morally reprehensible in some way, so yes, I would agree lol

[seitani]

ThaDPG wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

There are no paragon or renegade endings.

All 4 choices are morally reprehensible in some way, so yes, I would agree lol

Well yeah this is true. First and second had paragon or renegade choices and now you have 4 grey ones.

[The Twilight God]

seitani wrote...

I'm playing through ME 3 full paragon(savior of Krogan, savior of geth..blah..blah...) and im halfway through the game and already pondering which ending to choose. For renegade characters destroy was easy choice but now i don't which one fits for a full paragon character better. I picked synthesis in the past for Tricia Helfers excellent voice acting.

Destroy is the only option.

Unless you want to succumb to indoctrination. I don't think failure is very "shepard", much less paragon.

[D24O]

The Twilight God wrote...

Destroy is the only option.

Unless you want to succumb to indoctrination. I don't think failure is very "shepard", much less paragon.

Does this prove IT?

[Ieldra]

D24O wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...
Destroy is the only option.

Unless you want to succumb to indoctrination. I don't think failure is very "shepard", much less paragon.

Does this prove IT?

No, it's just bullsh*t..

As for the OP's question, Destroy is based on typical Renegade thinking, in spite of Anderson. Control can be Paragon or Renegade depending on why you choose it, and Synthesis is Paragon or Renegade depending on the particular brand of Paragon or Renegade you're using as a measuring stick. There are different interpretation of what exactly Paragon is.

[Rommel49]

seitani wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

This is kinda adorable.

how?

To give a serious explanation:

Synthesis is what the Reapers actually are as-is, machines combined with the slurry of an organic race - picking it is basically conceding that organic life (or indeed, life in general) is by its very nature broken and needs to be "fixed". This is ignoring all the other issues with the option (which others can cover, I'm sure).

Control? Every attempt made throughout the series to enforce control over living things ended badly, every single one. Likewise, if you see synthetics as being alive (and I do), then the Reapers themselves qualify - they're intelligent, sapient beings themselves. Indeed Engineer Adams says as much himself "just because I think they're alive doesn't mean I want them to stay that way". Even if everything went off without a hitch (and I doubt it would, do you really think the Reapers told TIM he couldn't get the job done?), then you've still become the greatest slavemaster in the history of well, ever.

Destroying the Reapers was always the goal of the war; your superior officers say as much: "We destroy them or they destroy us", "Dead Reapers is how we win this", etc. that's always been the stated objective of your superiors, your crew, and your friends. Note the conversation with James about joining the N7 program, James recounts having to sacrifice innocent colonists and his own troops to destroy a Collector Ship - even the Paragon choice results in saying James' call was the right one.

As awful as it is, the destroy option is probably the most humane for everyone involved, including the Reapers themselves - "You. Whatever race you came from before the Reapers decided to preserve them? They're dead. They died a long time ago. And now they can finally rest in peace". Destroy is also the only option that affirms that the survivors can grow, learn, develop and make it on their own - that we don't need some near-omnipotent overseer to fix our supposed problems for us, that we're capable of doing it ourselves... somewhat tragically and ironically, the Geth themselves said as much: "We build our own future".

[Pitznik]

Rommel49 wrote...

Control? Every attempt made throughout the series to enforce control over living things ended badly, every single one. Likewise, if you see synthetics as being alive (and I do), then the Reapers themselves qualify - they're intelligent, sapient beings themselves. Indeed Engineer Adams says as much himself "just because I think they're alive doesn't mean I want them to stay that way". Even if everything went off without a hitch (and I doubt it would, do you really think the Reapers told TIM he couldn't get the job done?), then you've still become the greatest slavemaster in the history of well, ever.

Because taking away freedom from a murderer is slavery, right?

To answer OP's question:

Control is like no casualties, so it is very Paragon, but it also poses certain risk for the future. Are lives of the Geth worth it? Control is a synthetic lover ending - not only you save the synthetics, but you become a synthetic yourself! Yay!

Destroy is ruthless, but it solves the problem for good. But the price to pay is very high.

Synthesis in theory is also no casualties, but it is a very big thing to do, much bigger than the problem you were trying to fix. While I don't consider synthesis to be evil or wrong, it is very unnecessary - why to merge everyone, if you can achieve the same goal of peace with old fashioned tools like diplomacy and negotiations? Just remove the Reapers out of the picture, and everything can be solved, one thing at a time.

Refusal is a failure. So it is neither Paragon or Renegade, it is like being shot to death during the game - reload and do it right next time.

Modifié par Pitznik, 06 septembre 2012 - 07:55 .

[darkhorsedan72]

None of them are paragon choices in my eyes. Each one is asking you to make some disgustingly immoral decision for the sake of the greater good.

Bioware probably intended for Control to be the Paragon choice as it has the blue light ^^ Not only that, but I suppose Control has Shepard turning into some sort of moral reaper God consciousness who oversees and polices the galaxy so I suppose it is an extreme version of Paragon. Is your Shepard self righteous enough to think he can do that and not become corrupted by it?

[SeptimusMagistos]

Both are kind of paragon.

Personally I lean towards Control. You refuse to sacrifice the synthetics to your own fear and inflexibility and instead choose to stick around and keep helping the universe just like you have been doing.

[ghost9191]

well as said before, no paragon or renegade choices. just do which one seems right to u . changed everything , including those there are not ready. enslave a race , which hey who the fu*k cares, they're reapers. or destroy reapers and maybe those geth, which no evidence that they are destroyed

or go with refuse and let every one die. so no paragon . oh and you could just shoot the catalyst

[darthnick427]

Easy. Destroy again. it's the only option you aren't a hypocrite.

[ghost9191]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

Both are kind of paragon.

Personally I lean towards Control. You refuse to sacrifice the synthetics to your own fear and inflexibility and instead choose to stick around and keep helping the universe just like you have been doing.

you do realize you, as in your shep dies right? and "absolute power corrupts absolutely"  oh and the original catalyst started out by helping ppl too so yeah

note just saying., don't care if you choose control. it be my second option if i had to choose

[Pitznik]

darthnick427 wrote...

Easy. Destroy again. it's the only option you aren't a hypocrite.

Saving lives of thousands of Geth might be worth more to some Shepard than proving that they're not hypocrites.

But still Destroy is the only option giving you 100% certainty that you stopped the Reapers, forever.