Han Shot First wrote...
HYR 2.0 wrote...
"Kill 'em, it's the only way to be sure" is an attitude that is far more prevalent with Renegade morality than Paragon.
Not when you are talking about giant civilization destroying space Cthulhus that have butchered countless trillions across countless extinction cycles for billions of years. There is no gray area when it comes to the Reapers...they are the very embodiment of evil.
Sorry, you can't deny what is/is not paragon morality when it it's not convenient.
Let's look at the track-record:
-- It is paragon to let a merc walk free, even if said merc was initiated by committing murder.
-- *It is paragon to cure the krogan no matter what, even if it leads to the krogan predictably planning to wage war against the galaxy (see: Destroy EC slide, genophage cured/Wreav only).
-- It is paragon to rewrite the geth heretics (willful Reaper-allies) with a virus, one which doesn't have permanent effects.
-- It is paragon to release obviously-indoctrinated salarians.
-- It is paragon to let a crime lord walk free rather than to arrest her.
Paragon morality has never changed based on who/what you're dealing with. It's always been principle, and that has never been infalliable principle either.
As for "no grey area when it comes to the Reapers" ... you may have been right in ME1, or ME2, but as of now this statement is dead wrong. The entire Catalyst reveal proves that the Reapers are no more responsible for their actions than indoctrinated agents, **both are one in the same: controlled by the catalyst and merely slaves to their own bodies.
* Obvious response: "but I can paragon-convince him not to do that!" yes, but only if you take the renegade response at the necessary time and avoid the paragon action of revealing the sabotage.
**Don't believe it? Catalyst says he controls the Reapers, and that he also controlled indoctrinated TIM.
Taking a risk over idealisitic personal beliefs? Hello, Paragon!
Willingly becoming Reaper is the most renegade act in the entire series.
We're talking about a character who becomes an agent operating above the law in one game, and works for a shady organization considered "terrorist" in another. Assuming power has never been paragon/renegade. How Shepard uses it, is.
It is precisely for this reason why Control has both paragon and renegade variations.
There's nothing to suggest that the catalyst is still around. The Citadel being destroyed lends more credence to him being dead.
The only endings where the Catalyst specifically states that he will be destroyed is Destroy and Control. Not suprisingly he views Synthesis as the ideal solution.
Leap. An ideal solution doesn't - necessarily - entail his survival. It's also fallacious to assume a human reaction where he would even prefer to live/die in any solution. It's abundantly clear that AI and man do not always think the same.
You're assuming it's mercy and committing assisted-suicide over an assumption that they want it. What if there are organic souls, possibly even making up the majority of some Reapers, that would prefer to live?
Synthesis is the only path that truly grants mercy here. They all get to live. If they don't want to live, they can off themselves by flying into a sun or black-hole. It can't be a more unfortunate way to go than being hit by an unstable wave of red energy.
They are Reapers. What they want should not matter one iota to Shepard.
I wasn't the one who brought 'mercy' into the equation.
If you really care about mercy, then what they want does have to matter.
You can't assume mercy if you don't know what they want.
What does matter is what the organic souls trapped within would have wanted before they got turned into Reapers and lost their free will.
Absolutely wrong. What they wanted before stopped mattering after they didn't get it. What's done is done now, you can't change what has happened. What matters now is what they want
now.
Synthesis isn't mercy. Assuming for a moment that the people turned into Reapers survive in some form as part of the Reaper conciousness, Synthesis condemns those people to remain trapped in an abomination.
Again, you assume that the still-alive organic souls within the Reapers see it the way you do, that they are trapped in an abomination and that death is a mercy to them. It's entirely possible that some of those souls would prefer continued existence in Reaper form.
Synthesis doesn't condemn them to live. Control does. In synthesis, they can commit suicide if their fate is too horrible for them to live with. It's not perfect, but it's better than assuming suicide on their behalf. Flying into a sun or black-hole can't be a much worse way to go than being hit by the unstable explosion of redness.
Speaking of which, Renegade Shepard is the one who echoes this line of thinking. After it is revealed that the Collectors are mutated Protheans, he concludes that killing them is probably just a mercy.
Modifié par HYR 2.0, 07 septembre 2012 - 04:07 .
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