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[Tronar]

Powa1216 wrote...

Tronar wrote...

Can any of the other Xbox players confirm if the auto-reload during the Shadow Strike animation also works for the Xbox or only applies to the PC version of ME3?

It works, but during the SS animation, you have to hold X and it will reload mid animation.

Cool, I am going to try that out asap. Thanks for the info. Right now I was only able to use SS as a reload cancel, but that still requires you to endure part of the LONG Claymore reload animation, before you can strike, which can be pretty deadly if you are amongst a group of enemies. And it always required perfect timing. Striking off to early would cancel your reload without actually reloading.

About the SS animation problem messing up your aim:
I guess PC players have an aiming advantage with the mouse.
I can imagine to put my crosshair on an enemy a lot faster and easier by using a mouse instead of having to move it around with the controller stick. So on the PC the SS camera movement animation messing up your aim isn't probably such an issue. It's just a guess though, I haven't any personal experience.

[koschwarz74]

tCruzin4lyfe wrote...

This is definitely an interesting build but I've never heard anything bad about the Shadow nor have I ever even come close to being last on the scoreboard with her. I use the normal duration build right now (6-0-6-6-6) and I basically SS & Melee everything very quickly. I use the duration to do objectives and revive. Also, I use the Piranha to help take down Banshee's, Atlas's, etc when needed. Plus with the equipment I put on her (Berserker, Strength Enchancer) she does some damage and is a great all around class. With all that said tho, I'm going to give this build a go because I love the Claymore
On a side note I did come across a terrible Shadow player just spamming ES in one spot and going down constantly. I couldn't understand why anyone would play that way.

this.

the OP's build and strategy is really interesting, and the SS insta reload "feature" is a new info for me too (i barely use weapon with this character, and THIS is what i enjoy the most playing it - i use only the acolyte to one shot strip phantoms, pyros or hunters shield if necessery, and then SS), but i also use the traditional build and i usually score on top. i think the key is the sword mastery rank 5 martial artist, and finding the perfect "rhythm" to utilize it.

[ryoldschool]

koschwarz74 wrote...

tCruzin4lyfe wrote...

This is definitely an interesting build but I've never heard anything bad about the Shadow nor have I ever even come close to being last on the scoreboard with her. I use the normal duration build right now (6-0-6-6-6) and I basically SS & Melee everything very quickly. I use the duration to do objectives and revive. Also, I use the Piranha to help take down Banshee's, Atlas's, etc when needed. Plus with the equipment I put on her (Berserker, Strength Enchancer) she does some damage and is a great all around class. With all that said tho, I'm going to give this build a go because I love the Claymore
On a side note I did come across a terrible Shadow player just spamming ES in one spot and going down constantly. I couldn't understand why anyone would play that way.

this.

the OP's build and strategy is really interesting, and the SS insta reload "feature" is a new info for me too (i barely use weapon with this character, and THIS is what i enjoy the most playing it - i use only the acolyte to one shot strip phantoms, pyros or hunters shield if necessery, and then SS), but i also use the traditional build and i usually score on top. i think the key is the sword mastery rank 5 martial artist, and finding the perfect "rhythm" to utilize it.

I know its been said before, but with the traditional, Micha3sixty build 60666, if you use strength enhancer, power amplifier armor mod, and all the melee gear ( hydraulic joints and Melee stunner on weapon ) you can one-hit-kill phantoms on Gold from full health/barriers.  It also works on Pyros - in both cases they die from dot a second or so after the SS.   Shooting with a weapon before is safer if you have the time;)

[dzero]

Very interesting build, will be trying this out tonight.

[ParatrooperSean]

Interesting build to be sure, though I would say it's only for advanced players (which I am not).

I tested the SS reload on my current build, duration and bonus power. I couldn't get it to work at first, then figured out you have to hit that small window where the reload animation begins and you can still pull off a SS.

I can see how it would work on an Atlas or Brute, but I have problems with mobs. Yes, you can down three lower rank enemies in one cycle, but after the first shot (and decloak) they start attacking your squishy self.

[dzero]

I've just been trying this out and honestly I really couldn't get used to it. I could pull off the whole 3-shot thing but on platinum I was just dying every few seconds. The short duration of tactical cloak made it really difficult to pick targets safely and get out of there alive. I guess I'm just not a good enough player though huh?

[synapsefire]

dzero wrote...

I've just been trying this out and honestly I really couldn't get used to it. I could pull off the whole 3-shot thing but on platinum I was just dying every few seconds. The short duration of tactical cloak made it really difficult to pick targets safely and get out of there alive. I guess I'm just not a good enough player though huh?

I don't play Platinum. Everything I say on these forums pertains to Gold specifically. Although it may apply to other difficulties, Gold is the one I play.


Edit:
Safe target picking inside a duration cloak is the most comfortable and easy way you can play this game. Some of the point to this build however, is to up the kill-speed conciderably. The 40% DR + insane movement speed should do wonders for your survival. The duration build grew boring after the initial novelty wore off. This build does indeed require more skill but it is far from optimized for Platinum. I would not recommend it there at all.

Modifié par synapsefire, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:10 .

[ParatrooperSean]

synapsefire wrote...

dzero wrote...

I've just been trying this out and honestly I really couldn't get used to it. I could pull off the whole 3-shot thing but on platinum I was just dying every few seconds. The short duration of tactical cloak made it really difficult to pick targets safely and get out of there alive. I guess I'm just not a good enough player though huh?

I don't play Platinum. Everything I say on these forums pertains to Gold specifically. Although it may apply to other difficulties, Gold is the one I play.

I play Gold as well, so perhaps you might share your method for dealing with lower ranked mobs. As soon as I pop off my first shot, my player decloaks. Yes, I'm able to SS within a window, but the problem is I start gettting shot immediately by surrounding enemies.

By the time I shoot > SS > shoot I've taken a lot of damage.

[d_nought]

Interesting. In my own runs I've preferred to use Heavy Melee with Armor Damage and the Cerberus Harrier as the boss finisher, or use the max damage suicide build.

[synapsefire]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

synapsefire wrote...

dzero wrote...

I've just been trying this out and honestly I really couldn't get used to it. I could pull off the whole 3-shot thing but on platinum I was just dying every few seconds. The short duration of tactical cloak made it really difficult to pick targets safely and get out of there alive. I guess I'm just not a good enough player though huh?

I don't play Platinum. Everything I say on these forums pertains to Gold specifically. Although it may apply to other difficulties, Gold is the one I play.

I play Gold as well, so perhaps you might share your method for dealing with lower ranked mobs. As soon as I pop off my first shot, my player decloaks. Yes, I'm able to SS within a window, but the problem is I start gettting shot immediately by surrounding enemies.

By the time I shoot > SS > shoot I've taken a lot of damage.

SS combo isn't always the safest way to engage the enemy and more importantly it isn't always the most efficient way either. Maybe you can try to do more of this.

I wish I had a whole gameplay on youtube for more reference. Is it a specific faction that is problematic? I will admit that this build is designed to crush Reapers specifically. In all my builds I use the Brute as an ideal enemy. For the purpose of a balanced design this is beneficial as anything that can destroy Reapers will be equally effective against other factions with the occasional addition of a Scorpion ULM etc.

Modifié par synapsefire, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:23 .

[ParatrooperSean]

synapsefire wrote...

ParatrooperSean wrote...

synapsefire wrote...

dzero wrote...

I've just been trying this out and honestly I really couldn't get used to it. I could pull off the whole 3-shot thing but on platinum I was just dying every few seconds. The short duration of tactical cloak made it really difficult to pick targets safely and get out of there alive. I guess I'm just not a good enough player though huh?

I don't play Platinum. Everything I say on these forums pertains to Gold specifically. Although it may apply to other difficulties, Gold is the one I play.

I play Gold as well, so perhaps you might share your method for dealing with lower ranked mobs. As soon as I pop off my first shot, my player decloaks. Yes, I'm able to SS within a window, but the problem is I start gettting shot immediately by surrounding enemies.

By the time I shoot > SS > shoot I've taken a lot of damage.

SS combo isn't always the safest way to engage the enemy and more importantly it isn't always the most efficient way either. Maybe you can try to do more of this. 

I wish I had a whole gameplay on youtube for more reference. Is it a specific faction that is problematic? I will admit that this build is designed to crush Reapers specifically. In all my builds I use the Brute as an ideal enemy. For the purpose of a balanced design this is beneficial as anything that can destroy Reapers will be equally effective against other factions with thet addition of a Scorpion ULM etc. if needed.

OK, so it looks like you just run and gun like normal against groups of enemies and you use the 3 hit combo for bosses, which makes sense.

BTW, Brutes are easy even for conventional Shadows. They don't have ranged attacks and they're predictable. Just shoot them and SS them to death when they charge.

Modifié par ParatrooperSean, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:26 .

[dnapayne]

I bow to your awesomeness!!!

I shelved my shadow after the first week of use on release, since I got tired of spamming shadow strike.

I'll have to dust her off now.

Thanks!

Modifié par dnapayne, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:28 .

[synapsefire]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

OK, so it looks like you just run and gun like normal against groups of enemies and you use the 3 hit combo for bosses, which makes sense.

Not necessarily but it's a good option if the situation is too sticky for a SS.

@dnapayne She did become fun again but honestly I rarely play her now either:P 

To anyone trying the build, I'll edit the original link to Narida. I recommend taking the first weight reduction option over 7.5% weapon damage now. 

Modifié par synapsefire, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:35 .

[john-in-france]

Synapsefire would you mind writing a quick version of the narida on here?...Some of us just see goobledegook on that site. It doesn't have to be in depth, just evolutions chosen. I'd love to try that out.

Many thanks!

[synapsefire]

john-in-france wrote...

Synapsefire would you mind writing a quick version of the narida on here?...Some of us just see goobledegook on that site. It doesn't have to be in depth, just evolutions chosen. I'd love to try that out.

Many thanks!

The site is a bit messed up yes. Try refreshing it a few times or play with the drop down menus, that seem to work for me. It might be a cookie issue so clearing caches can do the trick. Anyhow, I'll jot it down below.

TC: 4B 5B
ES: -
SS: 4B 5A 6A
N7: 4B 5A 6B
SM: 4A 5B 

Unused Points are left up to personal preference.

[john-in-france]

synapsefire wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

Synapsefire would you mind writing a quick version of the narida on here?...Some of us just see goobledegook on that site. It doesn't have to be in depth, just evolutions chosen. I'd love to try that out.

Many thanks!

The site is a bit messed up yes. Try refreshing it a few times or play with the drop down menus, that seem to work for me. It might be a cookie issue so clearing caches can do the trick. Anyhow, I'll jot it down below.

TC: 4B 5B
ES: -
SS: 4B 5A 6A
N7: 4B 5A 6B
SM: 4A 5B 

Unused Points are left up to personal preference.

You are a star!
Many thanks...off to respec now.

[Tymathee]

I love my Shadow...

6/6/0/6/6

equp my evis and maybe a long range gun, depending on if i'm in gold or not and double slash 'em, take out anything without armor in one hit, its beautiful.

I'm always #1 or #2 and I flank a lot, draw fire from my teammates, make 'em turn on me, cloak and run.

I also dont care if i get a lto of points, if we can finisht he OP, I'm happy, whether i'm #1, #2, #3 or #4.

[Lisl]

Nice build Op and i like the video, too
but i'll stay by my SS Shadow, because i like the ninja style of her.

But i think everyone has an other opinion on how to play this game,
maybe i try your build when i get tired of my shadow build


greetings
-Sola

[Ps. : Sry for my bad english, not my nativ language ^^]

[Tronar]

So, I tried out all the suggestions above. Unfortunately to no avail.

Just that you know it can't be only a problem of me being to clumsy or anything: I am used to carry my weight on Gold and Platinum using different classes, so I think I know the game pretty well. I am also used to reload canceling or other timing related tricks (like Nova canceling, Smash canceling etc.).

Nonetheless I don't get the 3-shot-combo to work on my Xbox!!!

Here is what is happening to me trying to follow your method, synapsefire:

synapsefire wrote...
The 3-shot combo:
It is simple, three enemies in sight, cloak, shoot closest enemy, immediately SS another, as you come out of cloak you shoot the third. SS reloads your Claymore during the port animation and it's ready to shoot the second you come out of cloak. One combo can be finished in 3-4 seconds.

I cloak and instantly shoot the closest enemy. My cloak immediately breaks as a result from the shooting. So the natural power cooldown kicks in! Since I followed your build, the cooldown is quite large. Large enough to keep me from immediately starting my Shadow Strike. The game always forces me to wait at least(!) a second, sometimes longer if the time between cloaking and shooting was more than a second.

So I am wondering: how is that part supposed to work to start with???

But let's put that topic aside and look at the reload during the Shadow Strike (without cloaking first). 
So I just shoot and then immediately SS the next enemy.

According to you (and demonstrated in your video), the reload should happen automatically and the reload animation should just be "overwritten" by the SS animation.

Well, that definitely does not work for me as well.
EITHER I am SSing too early and effectively canceling the reload BEFORE the clip got ejected. Which forces me to reload after the SS again.
OR I have to wait for the reload animation to eject the clip and then use SS as a regular reload cancel. No special magic about that and since the Claymore takes its time to reload I am are basically drawing at lot of fire out in the open.

So I tried to follow the other tip which was a response to my question if this tactic works on an Xbox or only on PC:

Powa1216 wrote...
It works, but during the SS animation, you have to hold X and it will reload mid animation.

So now I just shot my Claymore, started the SS against another enemy and tried all kinds of things:
1. clicking X once during the SS animation -> no success
2. holding X for a long time during the SS animation -> no success
3. repeatedly hammering X like a maniac during the SS animation -> no success

Can someone please confirm if this trick really works on the Xbox. Or better post a video.

I like the build, because the Shadow never appealed that much to me before (although I have a friend rocking her in combination with a Reegar and putting his points into Electric Slash instead of Shadow Strike and usually achieving 120 to 150k XP on Gold games with that build).

But right now without the reload trick working, she just feels like a regular Claymore Infiltrator build to me.

Any help would be highly appreciated.

Modifié par Tronar, 14 septembre 2012 - 10:59 .

[synapsefire]

Tronar wrote...
I cloak and instantly shoot the closest enemy. My cloak immediately breaks as a result from the shooting. So the natural power cooldown kicks in! Since I followed your build, the cooldown is quite large. Large enough to keep me from immediately starting my Shadow Strike. The game always forces me to wait at least(!) a second, sometimes longer if the time between cloaking and shooting was more than a second.

There should be no cooldown preventing you from an immediate SS. The SS cd will kick in and overwrite the cloak cd but the first cloak cd should not prevent you from SS'ing as long as you do it quick enough. Try staying in cloak for as short a duration as you can. Shoot and SS immediately.

Tronar wrote...
According to you (and demonstrated in your video), the reload should happen automatically and the reload animation should just be "overwritten" by the SS animation.

Well, that definitely does not work for me as well.
EITHER I am SSing too early and effectively canceling the reload BEFORE the clip got ejected. Which forces me to reload after the SS again.
OR I have to wait for the reload animation to eject the clip and then use SS as a regular reload cancel. No special magic about that and since the Claymore takes its time to reload I am are basically drawing at lot of fire out in the open.

I think what you wrote in the first quote about waiting for cd before SS'ing can be the problem. If you wait too long the reload will never kick in. Anyhow, I can't test any of this as I'm on PC obviously.

[Eckswhyzed]

synapsefire wrote...

Tronar wrote...
I cloak and instantly shoot the closest enemy. My cloak immediately breaks as a result from the shooting. So the natural power cooldown kicks in! Since I followed your build, the cooldown is quite large. Large enough to keep me from immediately starting my Shadow Strike. The game always forces me to wait at least(!) a second, sometimes longer if the time between cloaking and shooting was more than a second.

There should be no cooldown preventing you from an immediate SS. The SS cd will kick in and overwrite the cloak cd but the first cloak cd should not prevent you from SS'ing as long as you do it quick enough. Try staying in cloak for as short a duration as you can. Shoot and SS immediately.

I've found that this trick works the best for me ON HOST. Even a slight amount lag can make it difficult - on a good connection it's stil barely possible, but anything with noticaeable delay can make it impossible.

[synapsefire]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

synapsefire wrote...

Tronar wrote...
I cloak and instantly shoot the closest enemy. My cloak immediately breaks as a result from the shooting. So the natural power cooldown kicks in! Since I followed your build, the cooldown is quite large. Large enough to keep me from immediately starting my Shadow Strike. The game always forces me to wait at least(!) a second, sometimes longer if the time between cloaking and shooting was more than a second.

There should be no cooldown preventing you from an immediate SS. The SS cd will kick in and overwrite the cloak cd but the first cloak cd should not prevent you from SS'ing as long as you do it quick enough. Try staying in cloak for as short a duration as you can. Shoot and SS immediately.

I've found that this trick works the best for me ON HOST. Even a slight amount lag can make it difficult - on a good connection it's stil barely possible, but anything with noticaeable delay can make it impossible.

Thats strange. I've played her with terrible lag and never had that issue at all.

For reference, this is Xcals lobby, as far as I know he's in the states, I'm in Europe. Connection is terrible, there's a half a second delay when shooting a mook before it drops etc. But the Cloak>SS combo is never an issue. 

It would be nice to get to the bottom of this but lag does not have anything to do with it, at least not for me,

Modifié par synapsefire, 15 septembre 2012 - 11:00 .

[KalilKareem]

I just tried this on PC. It works like a charm even on a laggy connection. The same trick also works on ES, and this combo is often safer to pull off (cloak->headshot the mook that just turned the corner->ES his team behind the wall->peek around the corner and shot another mook in the face) in particular against banshees its gives a nice tripple tap.

[blackwidow314]

Just been trying this with a 60666 build for duration and bonus power as i have been setup that way already and trying it out as a 4shot. I shadow strike a boss or weaker target to get into position then perform the 3 shot bomber attack. Only problem is you have a small pause between the first shadow strike and the 3shot bomb. You can still 3shot bomb as the bonus power causes no issues for myself even off host (PC player).

[Tronar]

synapsefire wrote...
There should be no cooldown preventing you from an immediate SS. The SS cd will kick in and overwrite the cloak cd but the first cloak cd should not prevent you from SS'ing as long as you do it quick enough. Try staying in cloak for as short a duration as you can. Shoot and SS immediately.

I will try out that tip at my next games, though I think I already tried to SS as fast as possible during my last tests. Maybe on the Xbox shooting is enough to completely break the cloak and trigger the cooldown immediately and leave no time for another power attack.

Thanks to everybody else your replies, but is there any XBOX player that can confirm if the 3-shot-combo works on the Xbox at all or is just a PC thing? On the PS3 it seems to be different as well, since someone wrote here in the thread that he has to hold the square-button (or something like that, I guess it's the PS3 equivalent of the X-button) to have the reload happen during the SS-animation.

Modifié par Tronar, 17 septembre 2012 - 08:23 .