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I just had a disturbing epiphany. I do NOT want the Warden to return. Ever.


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batlin

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Shepard blindly accepts a no-win scenario from the star child.

Revan gets turned into a madman and is killed by a group of random Empire lackeys.

What lows would they sink the Warden to? I never want to find out.

It gets even more disturbing when you remember what EA's influence did to the Avatar.....

Modifié par batlin, 06 septembre 2012 - 08:27 .


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thats1evildude

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I assume the Warden was killed by Flemeth.

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Renmiri1

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The Warden will put on a dress and dance the Remigold with Alistair

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Renmiri1 wrote...

The Warden will put on a dress and dance the Remigold with Alistair


Now you're talking!

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batlin wrote...

Shepard blindly accepts a no-win scenario from the star child.

Revan gets turned into a madman and is killed by a group of random Empire lackeys.

What lows would they sink the Warden to? I never want to find out.

It gets even more disturbing when you remember what EA's influence did to the Avatar.....



And that's one of the main reasons why I don't want them bringing back any past PCs, party members, or NPCs.

For instance, I just know that as much as I love Sandal and Bodhan, they'll do something heinous to one of them to get me to cry so that they can have tears for their coffee (though it just wouldn't feel right without seeing Sandal somewhere). They already started with Bodhan and his talk of getting old. :crying:

Besides, then they start messing with the player's game canon (I'm looking at YOU Leliana! Get your butt back to my mBrosca). And honestly, BW does such a good job with characters, I'd rather get to know some new ones.

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Saberchic wrote...

For instance, I just know that as much as I love Sandal and Bodhan, they'll do something heinous to one of them to get me to cry so that they can have tears for their coffee (though it just wouldn't feel right without seeing Sandal somewhere). They already started with Bodhan and his talk of getting old. :crying:


It doesn't feel right ending the game without Sandal, though. At the end of DA2, it really started feeling more final when I saw Sandal standing in some random place near the final fights, offering enchantment.

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SerTabris wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

For instance, I just know that as much as I love Sandal and Bodhan, they'll do something heinous to one of them to get me to cry so that they can have tears for their coffee (though it just wouldn't feel right without seeing Sandal somewhere). They already started with Bodhan and his talk of getting old. :crying:


It doesn't feel right ending the game without Sandal, though. At the end of DA2, it really started feeling more final when I saw Sandal standing in some random place near the final fights, offering enchantment.


I know. For some reason, I really like Sandal and Bodahn. Not seeing them in the game would be weird. Yet I just know they're going to kill off Bodahn somehow. :? They don't seem to like giving anybody a happy send off. 

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What, did I miss the memo that said Bodahn was supposed to live forever?

He's going to die of old age at some point, guys. We all do.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 06 septembre 2012 - 10:00 .


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Shepard aside, most of what they did with past protagonists was due to having to avoid being to specific with canon (which they did a fairly good job of). In Dragon Age they have no excuse.
I don't like the "he's dissapeared" thing they do though. I hate being told that told my Warden is missing, knowing that's probably going to be left it at that.
Personally, I would want to have a DLC they tied in with a main game but featured The Warden as the protagonist. It'll let you recreate you Warden in the new engine and it would make the transition to be voiced easier to handle I think. They just need 6 voice actors(1 for each gender of each race) and to keep The Warden's appearances relativly brief so the 6VAs wont cost a fortune.
The VAs should be voted on by the fanbase.
If they are going to dramaticlly kill off a past protag, then it needs to be in a badass way and well done. With the Thedas wide events coming to head, then not bring back past protags feels like a cop out. Especially Hawke. He's already part of this. I mean , if your Hawke is on the run with Anders then why would he NOT join the mages in the war. It's his only chance a havving a "normal" life again.

I want fresh companions though.

But maybe that's just me though. I'm sure I'll love DA3 regardless, but I think the whole "Oh noes. They vanished so a different hero can step up" is a lame storytelling device.

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At the very least, I would like some closure. Play as the Warden in an epic last stand, like during their calling in the Deep Roads.

Hawke disappearing is just weird. We have two protagonists disappearing, so I would like to see why they're disappearing at least.

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I don't understand how the warden can return with so many different ending available in Dragon age 1. The Warden could have died, could have stayed with the warden order, or left for some quest, or went through the Eluvian with Morrigan ( which my warden did ) etc.

Modifié par KainD, 07 septembre 2012 - 10:22 .


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dragonflight288 wrote...

Hawke disappearing is just weird. We have two protagonists disappearing, so I would like to see why they're disappearing at least.


Yes see, my warden went through Eluvian, so it wasn't weird for me to hear that he has disappeared. :)

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KainD wrote...

I don't understand how the warden can return with so many different ending available in Dragon age 1. The Warden could have died, could have stayed with the warden order, or left for some quest, or went through the Eluvian with Morrigan ( which my warden did ) etc.


Yes, that's why it's important to have the option to bring the Warden over. Like how you could in Baldur's Gate 2 and Dragon Age Awakenings.

But, again, I'm afraid if they do that they'll end up ruining him/her.

Modifié par batlin, 07 septembre 2012 - 12:02 .


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 Based on the new face-rendering engine they use in DA2, I doubt you would even recognize your Warden if they were imported.
Its better for them to just have the Warden fall off a convenient plot cliff than to ever have the Warden show their face again... literally. Fans would see the horribly distended face and freak out.
As an example, when they tried to import Morrigan's face from DA:O...
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THIS is how it came out in the new facial rendering engine...
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Now just picture your Warden undergoing that type of transformation. It would be inviting fan rage for no real gain or benefit at all.

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@Fast Jimmy

Better yet, imagine an elf warden. =)

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Renmiri1 wrote...

The Warden will put on a dress and dance the Remigold with Alistair


Only if its a pretty dress...and somewhere Duncan's spirit just sighs in that long suffering "Maker, no, now it's in stereo!"Posted Imageway.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 07 septembre 2012 - 12:24 .


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I would at least like some more closure in my wardens story. I mean a the end of Awakening the epilogue even says the wardens story isn't over yet. Plus there is the god child and Morrigan and in the witch hunt DLC Morrigan even mentions there is a big change coming. Also Hawke is with the warden so the both of them missing has to mean something. Also the climate at the end of Dragon Age 2 is perfect for the warden to help out in.

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I'll wait to see what they do.

I have my immense reservations, but I must give them the chance despite that. While I couldn't stop them even if I wanted to do that (which I don't), what if they would have created something awesome and we made them do something else?

I, personally, would rather see what they have and be disappointed than miss something awesome because I doubted them. My disappointment in other new stories from other existing lore did not destroy my enjoyment of the preexisting stories. (Perfect example: Ep1-3? Still love the original three despite loathing the new three.)

EDIT: To summarize: If they destroy the Warden's story in a future installment, I still have the Warden's story from before that. I don't see it as a total loss. I'm willing to risk it.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:35 .


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I don't quite buy the Morrigan thing. Surely her eyebrows didn't need to be that slanted? Also, she looks worse in that outfit and lighting.

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sylvanaerie wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

The Warden will put on a dress and dance the Remigold with Alistair


Only if its a pretty dress...and somewhere Duncan's spirit just sighs in that long suffering "Maker, no, now it's in stereo!"Posted Imageway.


:D Duncan's sigh is full of win

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If the Warden returns i think he should appear in DLC first, with him/her as the protagonist, That way, you get to create your Warden how you like using the new art style and it gives you nice explanation of how they got to where you meet them in game. If you don't complete the DLC, it just assumes a Default appearance but keeps whatever race you chose.

Note: I use the term DLC for simplicity. Really it should be included in the game, but as a serperate campaign like Leliana's Song and Darkspawn Chronicles.

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JamesStark wrote...

If the Warden returns i think he should appear in DLC first, with him/her as the protagonist, That way, you get to create your Warden how you like using the new art style and it gives you nice explanation of how they got to where you meet them in game. If you don't complete the DLC, it just assumes a Default appearance but keeps whatever race you chose.

Note: I use the term DLC for simplicity. Really it should be included in the game, but as a serperate campaign like Leliana's Song and Darkspawn Chronicles.


I kind of like that idea.  Thats a great way of letting see how our warden would look with the new graphic system.

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

 Based on the new face-rendering engine they use in DA2, I doubt you would even recognize your Warden if they were imported.
Its better for them to just have the Warden fall off a convenient plot cliff than to ever have the Warden show their face again... literally. Fans would see the horribly distended face and freak out.
As an example, when they tried to import Morrigan's face from DA:O...
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THIS is how it came out in the new facial rendering engine...
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Now just picture your Warden undergoing that type of transformation. It would be inviting fan rage for no real gain or benefit at all.

Supposedly they wouldn't force it on us that way. I assumed from the following statement that, even if we couldn't make our Warden look exactly the same using the new engine, we would still be the ones to design them, or at least have more options than an automatic face-morph.

From PAX East...

Q: Hypothetically, of course, in the hypothetical Dragon Age III, let's say we have a hypothetical cameo from say, the Hero of Ferelden. Hypothetically, would he or she be voice acted, or would he or she just show up and just kind of be there --

A David: Oh, you mean the Warden?

Q: Yes, the Warden.

A David: If the Warden showed up, would the Warden be voice acted? (David and Mike look at each other, laughs from audience) OK, if, if, if we... IF, if we put your Warden in the game we would have to take into account the fact that technology has changed, the look of the game has changed, we have voiced characters -- there are no silent characters in the game. I think ideally, we would want to throw that to you as a choice, how you would like that presented. (looks at Mike) Is that fair?

A Mike: I think so, yeah. I think the under current of what Dave's saying is that we all kind of go whoo (exhale), is, to be quite frank, we'd have to do that so right. Because, again, it's your character, and that really is something that we'd want to put as much of that agency ON YOU, to own -- you know, how they would look and/or sound even -- as we could. And I think that would be the only way to make that character do a cameo. And the really the question is: is the cameo worth the potential disconnect? I don't know. I think it would really depend on the overall story.

A David: We'd wanna do it right, or not at all.

A Mike: Yeah. That'd be basically it.

A David: Not have your character showing up sounding like, you know "Ha ha ha!" (insane laughter) That would not be best...

A Mark off side: That's alright, that's what mine sounds like!

A David: Well it would be fun for us!

A Mike: Those happy-go-lucky City Elves! (laughs from audience)


Modifié par nightscrawl, 09 septembre 2012 - 12:14 .


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By all means, Bioware, please do NOTHING at all that may contradict my personal headcanon for my favorite warden. Alistair is king, she is queen, freed of the taint by magical means and lives happily with her family, ruling wisely over Ferelden, brining the kingdom throguh the turmoil of the future events of DA3...

I am very happy with how DAO and Awakening ended. Everyone is truly and thoroughly alive, and that leaves all paths open to build your Warden's own personal story. I already lost my Shepard due to bioware's stupidity, at least leave my Warden alone! Posted Image

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The Warden turns into a Darkspawn.

The Grey Warden becomes a boss battle in Dragon Age 3.


The Darkspawn Warden will take into account the look of the Warden and their class.


Human Noble Male Warrior
Human Noble Male Rogue
Human Noble Female Warrior
Human Noble Female Rogue

Human Male Mage
Human Female Mage
Elf Male Mage
Elf Female Mage

Dalish Elf Male Warrior
Dalish Elf Male Rogue
Dalish Elf Female Warrior
Dalish Elf Female Rogue

City Elf Male Warrior
City Elf Female Warrior
City Elf Female Rogue
City Elf Male Rogue

Dwalven Noble Male Warrior
Dwalven Noble Female Warrior
Dwalven Noble Male Rogue
Dwalven Noble Female Rogue

Dwalven Commoner Male Warrior
Dwalven Commoner Female Warrior
Dwalven Commoner Male Rogue
Dwalven Commoner Female Rogue

36 different looks and variations on the Grey Warden that has now been converted into a Darkspawn.
Also the boss will be completely different as a result of being warrior, rogue and mage.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 09 septembre 2012 - 12:08 .