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[MEMANIAsama]

Alright, so... I had a character in mind, and she ALMOST follows (or easily could) follow the DA2 Preset for the Dwarven Noble.

Here's my basic outline:

Female Dwarven Noble. Romances Alistair. Wants to recruit Loghain and asks Anora to spare Alistair when he throws a hissy (I already have King Alistair in another playthrough, so I don't want to go the "hardened" route if I don't have to, but, hey who knows, maybe I will anyways.)

So, here are my questions:

1. If Alistair is gone, and I'm female, are my options limited to Loghain seeks redemption and sacrifices himself or sacrifice myself.
1a. Can Hardened King Alistair still sacrifice himself to the Arch Demon (or sleep with Morrigan) even if he's not part of my party anymore 'cuz I recruited Loghain? 

2. If I sacrifice myself, and then import to DAA with that save, what exactly does the game/import say happened? Does it just assume the "Dark Child" option even though nobody would have been able (or rather no choices were available) to sire the baby with Morrigan? Does the game just assume I was somehow so awesome that I survived and we defeated the Arch Demon just through a good old fashioned pummeling?

3. If I create a new character in DAA, the Orlesian Warden, what are my preset outcomes. What race does it think the Warden was, what choices does it think he made, etc. (I can't remember if it's one preset or if there are multiple choices like in DA2.)

4. If I import a character into DA2 using a Post-Arch Demon save, what does it think happened in DAA? Does it think DAA happened at all and that there was an Orlesian Warden or what?

I basically have a few ideas here to sort of manipulate/trick myself into feeling like my data transfers/choices matter. Basically follow preset flags exactly as need be in DAO for a DAA new Orlesian Warden or, more likely, make an Orlesian Warden for the heck of it and follow the preset flags/choices that Warden would make in a DAO Epilogue save imported into DA2. Just to "follow the story" and play it out instead of having the game tell me what happened.

I'm pretty torn on what to do, but I think the prospect of having a game save where Loghain is still alive is much more interesting than just having him kill himself and not having Alistair or Loghain in the universe at all. It's much more fun to have Drunk Alistair and Living Loghain I'd think, more possibilities with content/side-quests in DA3 maybe.

Any assistance is appreciated!

Modifié par MEMANIAsama, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:32 .

[BevH]

MEMANIAsama wrote...

Alright, so... I had a character in mind, and she ALMOST follows (or easily could) follow the DA2 Preset for the Dwarven Noble.

Here's my basic outline:

Female Dwarven Noble. Romances Alistair. Wants to recruit Loghain and asks Anora to spare Alistair when he throws a hissy (I already have King Alistair in another playthrough, so I don't want to go the "hardened" route if I don't have to, but, hey who knows, maybe I will anyways.)

So, here are my questions:

1. If Alistair is gone, and I'm female, are my options limited to Loghain seeks redemption and sacrifices himself or sacrifice myself.
1a. Can Hardened King Alistair still sacrifice himself to the Arch Demon (or sleep with Morrigan) even if he's not part of my party anymore 'cuz I recruited Loghain? 

2. If I sacrifice myself, and then import to DAA with that save, what exactly does the game/import say happened? Does it just assume the "Dark Child" option even though nobody would have been able (or rather no choices were available) to sire the baby with Morrigan? Does the game just assume I was somehow so awesome that I survived and we defeated the Arch Demon just through a good old fashioned pummeling?

3. If I create a new character in DAA, the Orlesian Warden, what are my preset outcomes. What race does it think the Warden was, what choices does it think he made, etc. (I can't remember if it's one preset or if there are multiple choices like in DA2.)

4. If I import a character into DA2 using a Post-Arch Demon save, what does it think happened in DAA? Does it think DAA happened at all and that there was an Orlesian Warden or what?

I basically have a few ideas here to sort of manipulate/trick myself into feeling like my data transfers/choices matter. Basically follow preset flags exactly as need be in DAO for a DAA new Orlesian Warden or, more likely, make an Orlesian Warden for the heck of it and follow the preset flags/choices that Warden would make in a DAO Epilogue save imported into DA2. Just to "follow the story" and play it out instead of having the game tell me what happened.

I'm pretty torn on what to do, but I think the prospect of having a game save where Loghain is still alive is much more interesting than just having him kill himself and not having Alistair or Loghain in the universe at all. It's much more fun to have Drunk Alistair and Living Loghain I'd think, more possibilities with content/side-quests in DA3 maybe.

Any assistance is appreciated!

1) The Dark Ritual can still be done with Loghain. So you would still have the same options as with Alistair.

2) Yes, Awakening assumes the Dark Ritual was done, at least from what I understand. I've never done that myself, since, well, you know, dead warden is dead.

3) I can't say on this one never having done an Orlesian warden. However, race choice doesn't seem to really make a difference in DA2, except for the Dalish.

4) No mention is made of the Orlesian warden in this case. Awakening did happen, it just isn't really a major factor. In any event, it doesn't seem to be a major factor no matter what you import. Importing an Awakening save does give you a couple more side quests, but outside of Anders, it doesn't really impact the story much.

I hope I've been able to help a bit. I'm sure there are others who will jump in as well.

[MEMANIAsama]

Definitely. In regards to 3 & 4, I know it doesn't really matter and race doesn't matter, etc. but it's still worth knowing. Glad to know that Loghain can sleep with Morrigan for the Dark Ritual if I want to spare him without killing my Warden... that might just be an easier alternative.

I've always wanted to play the Orlesian Warden, as it seemed like a fun thing to do and experience... it just always irked me that you couldn't just transfer choices. I mean, I guess on the PC you could just set a bunch of flags in your Orlesian playthrough for what it thinks happened during DAO, but on the console there's nothing you can do besides go with some weird default settings.

[MEMANIAsama]

76 views and only one reply... I'm guessing not many people bothered with Orlesian characters in DAA? What about a Dead Female Warden with Alistar and/or Loghain dead (basically meaning the only people who could have done the dark ritual were female who is suddenly alive now.)

[theskymoves]

MEMANIAsama wrote...

Alright, so... I had a character in mind, and she ALMOST follows (or easily could) follow the DA2 Preset for the Dwarven Noble.

Here's my basic outline:

Female Dwarven Noble. Romances Alistair. Wants to recruit Loghain and asks Anora to spare Alistair when he throws a hissy (I already have King Alistair in another playthrough, so I don't want to go the "hardened" route if I don't have to, but, hey who knows, maybe I will anyways.)

So, here are my questions:

1. If Alistair is gone, and I'm female, are my options limited to Loghain seeks redemption and sacrifices himself or sacrifice myself.
1a. Can Hardened King Alistair still sacrifice himself to the Arch Demon (or sleep with Morrigan) even if he's not part of my party anymore 'cuz I recruited Loghain? 

If Alistair leaves the party at the Landsmeet, he's gone for the rest of the campaign, whether he's hardened or not. With a female Warden, your options if you recruit Loghain are: either the Warden or Loghain sacrifices, or Loghain sleeps with Morrigan.

[Fiacre]

IIRC DAA with an Orlesian Warden has Alistair as King (though I don't think any mention is made if he's with Anora or not). Otherwise, it seems to try to avoid mentioning the Warden's choices.

[MEMANIAsama]

Fiacre wrote...

IIRC DAA with an Orlesian Warden has Alistair as King (though I don't think any mention is made if he's with Anora or not). Otherwise, it seems to try to avoid mentioning the Warden's choices.

That makes sense, I mean, no reason to mention them with this new dude. I'm curious as to what quests/things if any unlock in DA2 with an Orlesian Warden transfer.

[Fiacre]

I don't think there any. There is at least one that unlocks if Nathaniel is dead or Awakening was never played (I think Fool's Gold, instead of Finding Nathaniel), but other than that, you either get some extra quests based on your decisions in Awakening or the game assumes some things if you imported a save from Origins. But there are no differences for an Orlesian Warden. There are some references to a Warden's origin, at least if it's an Amell or Mahariel, but no quest differences based on it.

[BevH]

Fool's Gold is always available, but if you have Finding Nathaniel available as well, you don't want to do Fool's Gold because the other will disappear if you do. Fiacre is correct in that importing the Orlesian warden won't offer or delete any quests that would or wouldn't be available from an imported warden. The only changes that occur from an imported warden is the fate of Alistair, but that has no bearing on any quests being offered.

[MEMANIAsama]

BevH wrote...

Fool's Gold is always available, but if you have Finding Nathaniel available as well, you don't want to do Fool's Gold because the other will disappear if you do. Fiacre is correct in that importing the Orlesian warden won't offer or delete any quests that would or wouldn't be available from an imported warden. The only changes that occur from an imported warden is the fate of Alistair, but that has no bearing on any quests being offered.

All Orlesian Warden games, I assume, make the assumption that the Hero of Fereldan sacrificed themselves (thus why you're playing an Orlesian Warden.) It also sounds like Alistar is king with an Orlesian Warden, and that Loghain is dead (which is a shame, how great would it be for the Orlesian to interact with Loghain? Even if only ever so briefly.) What other decisions does DAA assume then? Does DAA have pre-built histories like DA2 does? I know these decisions aren't revealed in DAA, but wouldn't they be in DA2? Such as whether or not they Sided w/Nobles Dwarf quest is there, or whether or not there's a guy selling fake ashes, and other things like that. (in addition to any of these other possibilities mentioned by what is and isn't imported based on the DA2 prebuilt histories. http://dragonage.wik...built_histories) Do they just assume the DA2 Pre-Built sacrifice history?

This is a bit off base from my original questions, since I don't think I'll be going this route anyways of tricking myself, especially if I don't have to sacrifice myself, but I'm curious to know what the Orlesian Warden's pre-built history is for the Hero of Fereldan and if it's something you can figure out based on all these context clues in DA2 and DAA.

Modifié par MEMANIAsama, 13 septembre 2012 - 04:02 .

[Fiacre]

BevH wrote...

Fool's Gold is always available, but if you have Finding Nathaniel available as well, you don't want to do Fool's Gold because the other will disappear if you do. Fiacre is correct in that importing the Orlesian warden won't offer or delete any quests that would or wouldn't be available from an imported warden. The only changes that occur from an imported warden is the fate of Alistair, but that has no bearing on any quests being offered.

I don't think that's true -- I only got Fool's Gold (that is the quest where the dwarf asks you to save his sons, right?) on one of my four DA2 characters and that was the one where I imported my Amell, who I haven't done Awakening with yet. The other three I used my canon Warden's Awakening save for.

[Mike3207]

I wouldn't think Awakenings would assume that I did the ritual with Morrigan if I refused-at least with a import. It may be different if you start with a orlesian warden.

[MEMANIAsama]

I wouldn't think Awakenings would assume that I did the ritual with Morrigan if I refused-at least with a import. It may be different if you start with a orlesian warden.

Agreed, because it could assume Alistar or Loghain.

Actually, the more I think about it, every variation I can think of, would result in either Alistar or Loghain being alive, or the Hero. Guess it's not an issue at all no matter what? I can't think of a way to create a paradox...

Modifié par MEMANIAsama, 16 septembre 2012 - 01:50 .

[Butters158]

If you import a dead warden to Awakenings, it seems to assume the DR was completed. However, it switches back to the Warden being dead in DA 2 and that Awakenings was completed with an Orlesian