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[Default137]

When I first got Baldurs Gate 1, it was several years after playing BG2/ToB, and I couldn't beat it because I had no idea how DnD worked at the time, so all my stats were out of whack, I would do really stupid stuff, go into encounters I had no hope of winning, put the wrong weapons on people who had absolutly no proficiency with those weapons, and all sorts of other stupid stuff that worked fine for BG2, but for BG1 when you were only level 1 and had 5 HP didn't work so well.

A few weeks ago, I finally went back to try it again, this time with a near full understanding of how DnD worked in the game, and felt fairly confident I could get past the mines, and lo and behold not only did I get past the mines, I was already level 5-6, was well equipped with mostly magical stuff, and had a fairly powerful group composition, that could tear through Durlags most likely if I went there.

The problem is, I just couldn't care enough to go on, none of the NPCs in the game interested me, because they have no personality at all besides the occasional "GORION WOULD BE PLEASED", I was forced to build a party of the people who survive into BG2, just so I can pretend they were as exciting as they were in the second game,  there is no banter, no talking, nothing, they are as lifeless as if I just went Mulitplayer and made 5 lifeless husks to follow me around, who I could then imagine had personality of some sort.

Has anyone else had this problem? Or know of any mods that add personality of some sort to the BG1 NPCs? I really like how the game is more dungeon crawl based then the second, which just throws you from place to place to finish some side quest, but I hate how my party just seems robotic at times, and it really ruins the game for me.

And yes, I am putting this on the Off-Topic board, because I am to lazy to make an account on the Baldurs Gate boards, have no idea if there even ARE Baldurs Gate boards, and actually might find better discussion here anyway, due to this being the off-topic for Dragon Age.

*edit* Oh yeah, I also have serious slowdown problems when playing Baldurs Gate 1, its normally fine, but the second I enter a fight with anything, it slows down to a crawl, its not bad enough that hte game becomes unplayable, but it still is really annoying, and almost a gamebreaker, especially with all the other problems, my system can handle the game fine, and runs SoA and ToB fine, its just BG1 which has this crazy slowdown, which makes no sense at all.

Modifié par Default137, 25 décembre 2009 - 07:48 .

[Skellimancer]

Don't take henchmen! They steal precious xp!

[--Fallen Angel--]

I didn't have this problem, but mind you, last time I completed a full playthrough of Baldur's Gate was a couple years back. Still, the game is one of the favourites of not only me, but my little brother, Mom and Dad too. My sister was a bit too young to play it before, though.

[Skellimancer]

www.gibberlings3.net/bg1npc/ Banter pack for BG1 you need to be using BGTuTu

[Snoteye]

BG is considerably more dungeon-crawly than any subsequent BioWare game, with more focus on combat than story elements. I played it, once, to play it, and I enjoyed it; but I have never once thought to start again or carry a character over into BGII. "BG" is often called one of the best RPGs, and while the entire series (BG, TotSC, SoA, and ToB) most certainly is one of the best (western) RPG series to date, neither BG nor TotSC are in any way spectacular short of what their success meant for their predecessors.

There are, however, a few ways to make BG a far more enjoyable experience, including running it in the vastly improved BGII engine. You can probably learn more in the BG forum (which you can still read without an account).

Default137 wrote...

And yes, I am putting this on the Off-Topic board, because I am to lazy to make an account on the Baldurs Gate boards...

I believe you are supposed to be able to login to BioBoards, where the BG and BGII fora yet have their home, with the same username/password combination as here.

[Skellimancer]

Default137 wrote...


*edit* Oh yeah, I also have serious slowdown problems when playing Baldurs Gate 1, its normally fine, but the second I enter a fight with anything, it slows down to a crawl, its not bad enough that hte game becomes unplayable, but it still is really annoying, and almost a gamebreaker, especially with all the other problems, my system can handle the game fine, and runs SoA and ToB fine, its just BG1 which has this crazy slowdown, which makes no sense at all.

Playing the game in 16 color depth? that causes slowdown on my PC too.

[Default137]

Skellimancer wrote...

Default137 wrote...


*edit* Oh yeah, I also have serious slowdown problems when playing Baldurs Gate 1, its normally fine, but the second I enter a fight with anything, it slows down to a crawl, its not bad enough that hte game becomes unplayable, but it still is really annoying, and almost a gamebreaker, especially with all the other problems, my system can handle the game fine, and runs SoA and ToB fine, its just BG1 which has this crazy slowdown, which makes no sense at all.

Playing the game in 16 color depth? that causes slowdown on my PC too.

Both that and 32-bit cause problems.

I don't know exactly whats causing it, I think it MIGHT be Tutu, because thats the only thing thats different between it and BG2/ToB, which have no slowdown problems at all, about to do a few tests right now to see if I can fully identify what it is ( installing it with tutu, trying it out, without tutu, only halfassed tutu install rather then full install ) and am going to try that banter pack to see if it makes the NPCs any more interesting for me.

My problem is, whenever I get into range of other creatures, be they enemy, ally, or even chickens and whatnot, it starts slowing down quite heavily, the more creatures and the longer I have been on, the more slowdown, if spells get cast, it just all goes to hell, meaning I was barely able to play my Wild Mage at all, and ended up turning him into a sling based warrior, which wasn't very fun for me at all, considering I love casting my spells.

Are you saying that going 32-bit clears up most of the lag for you though? I don't mind the black boxes leaving things unchecked causes, at least not as much as I am bothered by the crazy slowdown I keep getting in battles, I'd gladly give up graphics for better performance.

And yes, I agree, the BG series is still the pinnacle of gaming, Dragon Age is close, and might actually meet it in the Sequels if they are actually making it a Trilogy, and it keeps up the good writing, but as of right now, I still consider BG2/ToB the best games ever made by mankind, no questions asked,  I will be able to go back and play them 5-10 years from now even, and still not feel aged. Just how things ramp up so well in SoA, and how they get tied together in ToB, how everything I do has an effect to it, how my allies across the series lives change, everything is just so amazing.

I mean, redeeming Sarevok at the end of ToB was one of the proudest moments of my gaming career, and still has not been topped, it took so much work to do, but at the end, it was just so amazing to hear him denounce her, his former actions and all that and his little speech about Tamoko, and what she wanted for him.

Modifié par Default137, 25 décembre 2009 - 08:42 .

[Skellimancer]

Default137 wrote...

Skellimancer wrote...

Default137 wrote...


*edit* Oh yeah, I also have serious slowdown problems when playing Baldurs Gate 1, its normally fine, but the second I enter a fight with anything, it slows down to a crawl, its not bad enough that hte game becomes unplayable, but it still is really annoying, and almost a gamebreaker, especially with all the other problems, my system can handle the game fine, and runs SoA and ToB fine, its just BG1 which has this crazy slowdown, which makes no sense at all.

Playing the game in 16 color depth? that causes slowdown on my PC too.

Both that and 32-bit cause problems.

I don't know exactly whats causing it, I think it MIGHT be Tutu, because thats the only thing thats different between it and BG2/ToB, which have no slowdown problems at all, about to do a few tests right now to see if I can fully identify what it is ( installing it with tutu, trying it out, without tutu, only halfassed tutu install rather then full install ) and am going to try that banter pack to see if it makes the NPCs any more interesting for me.

My problem is, whenever I get into range of other creatures, be they enemy, ally, or even chickens and whatnot, it starts slowing down quite heavily, the more creatures and the longer I have been on, the more slowdown, if spells get cast, it just all goes to hell, meaning I was barely able to play my Wild Mage at all, and ended up turning him into a sling based warrior, which wasn't very fun for me at all, considering I love casting my spells.

Are you saying that going 32-bit clears up most of the lag for you though? I don't mind the black boxes leaving things unchecked causes, at least not as much as I am bothered by the crazy slowdown I keep getting in battles, I'd gladly give up graphics for better performance.

Black boxes? you mean where icons should be? i thought that problem was only on vanilla BG1.

www.shsforums.net/index.php this is a link to an NVidia fix for some infinity engine games, not sure if it will help.

[Remmirath]

If it is the same thing with the black boxes, turning the hardware acceleration down might help. I forgot to do that once (in Icewind Dale II, not Baldur's Gate, but it's much the same) and it was rather slow then in addition to the black boxes.

I've always created my whole party rather than taking the NPCs along, so no advice there.

[Gorath Alpha]

I am curious about the "reverse" forum compatibility.  There was no Baldur's Gate forum on Bioware in 1998 (or whenever it was a current game), because Bioware hadn't put together much of a web site at the time, and Black Isle hosted the game forums then. 

I believe I used "Gorath" right at first on the Black Isle forums, but when Bioware started having forums, and I registered there (old forums), someone else beat me to it, so I was either Old Grouch, or perhaps Grumpy back then.  All of the handles I've used for these games have started with "G". 

Flashnet was bought out by Prodigy, and the rates for the connection doubled, so I moved to another ISP, but I forgot my password, and without the old eMail, had to start again a year later.  (The same thing happened between then and now, again, for World Trade being bought out.)  I think that I even had an account for a little while in the name Great Gildersleeve. 

That's why this account is from 2007 or 2008, instead of being relatively concurrent with the 2002 or 2003 startup of the old Bioware forums.  But it still predates the 10-13-09 first date when the general public joined these Social Forums.  Has anyone who never had any current "old" Bioware account tested whether the Social Forum account actually works for both? 

Gorath
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[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Default137 wrote...

When I first got Baldurs Gate 1, it was several years after playing BG2/ToB, and I couldn't beat it because I had no idea how DnD worked at the time, so all my stats were out of whack, I would do really stupid stuff, go into encounters I had no hope of winning, put the wrong weapons on people who had absolutly no proficiency with those weapons, and all sorts of other stupid stuff that worked fine for BG2, but for BG1 when you were only level 1 and had 5 HP didn't work so well.

A few weeks ago, I finally went back to try it again, this time with a near full understanding of how DnD worked in the game, and felt fairly confident I could get past the mines, and lo and behold not only did I get past the mines, I was already level 5-6, was well equipped with mostly magical stuff, and had a fairly powerful group composition, that could tear through Durlags most likely if I went there.

The problem is, I just couldn't care enough to go on, none of the NPCs in the game interested me, because they have no personality at all besides the occasional "GORION WOULD BE PLEASED", I was forced to build a party of the people who survive into BG2, just so I can pretend they were as exciting as they were in the second game,  there is no banter, no talking, nothing, they are as lifeless as if I just went Mulitplayer and made 5 lifeless husks to follow me around, who I could then imagine had personality of some sort.

Don't worry you're not the only one. I find BG1 & 2 boring and didn't have the willpower to finish either of them.

[StarMars]

This is what happens when you start out with BG2. You begin with like a lvl 7 char with many skills and abilities. Then you play BG, lvl 1 starting character and a low maximum lvl cap.



After finishing BG2, I felt like finishing the original BG for the story's sake, especially those of the characters who reappeared in BG2. But when you actually play it, you feel a big downgrade. The resolution, the NPCs, etc. I never finished BG too, just got to around lvl 5 I think.

[Skellimancer]

StarMars wrote...



After finishing BG2, I felt like finishing the original BG for the story's sake, especially those of the characters who reappeared in BG2. But when you actually play it, you feel a big downgrade. The resolution, the NPCs, etc. I never finished BG too, just got to around lvl 5 I think.

No i don't!



for you resolution freaks! use BGTuTu

[MerinTB]

Unfortunately, Baldur's Gate bored me -

when I bought it on release. I got so far into it, like NWN later, and just went on to play something else. Came back to the game like twice and never got any farther.



It is dreadfully slow and boring to me.



BG2 is a major improvement (and that has little to do with higher level or graphics with me - I've played Pool of Radiance I dunno how many times, and still fire up Phantasie and Wizard's Crown) in game pacing, story-telling, party management, side-quests, etc.



Still, IMO, Bioware has come a long way from the BG days. I am constantly surprised by the BG love even on these forums.

[Skellimancer]

MerinTB wrote...

Unfortunately, Baldur's Gate bored me -
when I bought it on release. I got so far into it, like NWN later, and just went on to play something else. Came back to the game like twice and never got any farther.

It is dreadfully slow and boring to me.

BG2 is a major improvement (and that has little to do with higher level or graphics with me - I've played Pool of Radiance I dunno how many times, and still fire up Phantasie and Wizard's Crown) in game pacing, story-telling, party management, side-quests, etc.

Still, IMO, Bioware has come a long way from the BG days. I am constantly surprised by the BG love even on these forums.

Just as i am surprised at people who hate it and call it boring

[Default137]

SO!



I went back with the knowledge that 16bit slows down everything, and with my new NPC mod.



AND I LOVE IT.



Not as good as BG2 of course, but a whole hell of a lot more like I always wanted it to be, the characters talk about things, talk amongst themselves, about how our mission is going, about what my main character is going through, everything, thousands of dialogue that just freshens up EVERYTHING, I still find most of the BG1 characters a bit bland to Viconia, or Minsc, and I miss Jan Jansen, but this is SO much better its not even funny. ( Why should I care about you Ajantis? Even Anomen beats your silly personality. )



Sadly, the graphics fix you linked won't work, I put it in my BG1 Tutu folder and everything, it starts up and all, then tells me it can't find the file or somesuch, and shuts down without even adding anything, I have a Nvidia 9800, so its not like I have an ATI and am durring it up or anything, but the black squares don't bother me even half as much as the slowdown did.



Also Khalid is awesome now that he talks, before he was funny, but now I kind of wish he lived to see me through to the Mana Forge, as I think of him as my PCs main friend/bro ( YES I USED THE WORD IN A SENTENCE, SUE ME :l ), I consider him up there with Minsc now, and will probably be sad when I get to BG2, whereas before I just kind of shrugged him off and didn't care about it that much.



And it was never about graphics that held me back from BG, I mean, jesus, I'm loading up PS:T right now, eager to play that again, and thats ten times worse then BG, it was just the total lack of actual character amongst my allies, almost all the people that got cut, Kivan, Ajantis, Shar-Teel, all of them have so little personality I could have just substituted my own characters, the only ones that are really interesting are Minsc, Xzar, and Montaron, and thats just because they were funny.



I just finished up the mines, heading over to the Bandit Camp for the first time, not so high level this playthrough, but eager to fight Sarevok now, wheras before I just wanted to get it over with so I could play BG2, and with the slowdown, slowly losing my want to keep playing.

[StarMars]

@Skellimancer



Correct me if I'm wrong coz I haven't used Tutu but afaik, it incorporates the orig BG into the BG2 engine to make a seamless, continuous experience. Serious issues arise from this specially balance issues. I've read a thief in BG1 using BG2 rules would level up too fast just from picking locks. I'm not just talking about the resolution but the whole game. Seriously, you're very limited with what you can do at lvl 1. Any enemy rolling a crit would prolly kill you in 1 blow.

[Skellimancer]

StarMars wrote...

@Skellimancer

Correct me if I'm wrong coz I haven't used Tutu but afaik, it incorporates the orig BG into the BG2 engine to make a seamless, continuous experience. Serious issues arise from this specially balance issues. I've read a thief in BG1 using BG2 rules would level up too fast just from picking locks. I'm not just talking about the resolution but the whole game. Seriously, you're very limited with what you can do at lvl 1. Any enemy rolling a crit would prolly kill you in 1 blow.

Thats one of many reason that i never use TuTu, too many imbalances.

There is a 2DA overide fix for thief skill XP.

Modifié par Skellimancer, 28 décembre 2009 - 02:45 .

[Cuthlan]

That's right, Tutu gives you BG1's story through the BG2 engine.



It does create balance issues. The biggest being that you can pick the class kits at level one. Cavalier for example turns a regular level 1 paladin into something entirely different and much more powerful. Immunity to Fear and Poison in BG1 makes you pretty damn powerful.



On the other hand, it makes the game much more user friendly, and with the NPC pack it gives the NPCs a lot of life.