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[monsieur]

I am Sovereign wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Waste of time? Did you see all the EMS we got? You can't tell me EMS is meaningless.

Its only 400, and we didn't even see them during the battle! Reapers EMS is probably one trillion

 

You do know what sarcasm is right?

[I am Sovereign]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

If you're referring to EDI, we're not the ones running around saying AIs are bad.
The Leviathans apparently did. Then they built their own massively powerful AI with no safety overrides.

The OP was complaining that using an AI to hunt AIs is stupid.

EDI disproves the OP.

In a sensible world that would result in /thread.

EDI = Mac Walter's Pinocchio.

[David7204]

EDI was handled perfectly fine.

[CaptainZaysh]

Isichar wrote...

Catalyst: An AI created by organics to figure out how to stop AI's that were created by organics from killing all organics
EDI: Made to help stop the reapers.

Pretty different imo

What is this I don't even.  Do you even know how analogy works?  The point isn't that the two things being compared are identical, it's that they have similarites.

[Grand Wazoo]

Indeed. The origin of the Reapers is a prime example of a thing that shouldn't have been elaborated on. And the stuff that Bioware is doing now with DLC and explaining upon this very thing reminds me of a case where a person gets caught lying and instead of admitting he is lying he just continues stacking up the lies.

Modifié par Grand Wazoo, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:58 .

[The Angry One]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

I don't think so maybe its because of my understanding. I relate this to michio kaku's theory of civilization which states if a civilization is much more advanced than the other it is much more likely that communication or interaction between the two civilization would be limited. In this state i see the leviathans becoming much more advanced than the other races thus creating an A.I to deal with the lesser races. I see star child as a faulty A.I. which has just made the wrong calculations and if you think about it this way it makes sense to why the reapers only harvest advanced civilizations.....but im just saying

Two flaws in this idea:

1) That's not what they claim at all.
2) Leviathans can communicate with "lesser" species just fine.

[TheDeadYoshi]

I didn't need to know how they came into being, I didn't need to know why they harvested every intelligent race every 50,000 or so years. I just wanted to know what the consequences of my actions would be over the three games, in the final fight. I wanted to know how my war assets would affect the final outcome. I wanted to know who would survive, who would fall.

I would've just accepted that as an ending. I didn't need composition, we had the first two games as a build up - this was about a last stand.

[I am disappoint]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Catalyst: An AI created by organics to figure out how to stop AI's that were created by organics from killing all organics
EDI: Made to help stop the reapers.

Pretty different imo

What is this I don't even.  Do you even know how analogy works?  The point isn't that the two things being compared are identical, it's that they have similarites.

It's not really that similar.
They're actually pretty different, in fact mostly the opposites. 

[D24O]

Levvys are just s***** programmers. They probably forgot a ; in the "don't kill us" code.

[BatmanPWNS]

I am Sovereign wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

If you're referring to EDI, we're not the ones running around saying AIs are bad.
The Leviathans apparently did. Then they built their own massively powerful AI with no safety overrides.

The OP was complaining that using an AI to hunt AIs is stupid.

EDI disproves the OP.

In a sensible world that would result in /thread.

EDI = Mac Walter's Pinocchio.

This. So much this.

[David7204]

All of you suggesting what a great idea it would be to leave the Reapers unexplained are deluded. You'd the first ones here whining that ME 3 was supposed to be about answers and you didn't get them. People would be complaining about it non-stop. And they would be right.

Modifié par David7204, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:52 .

[MegaSovereign]

I don't think it's stupid. The Reapers were always a mistake.

[D24O]

David's right though, I would probably be pretty annoyed if they hadn't explained them.

[CaptainZaysh]

The Angry One wrote...

It disproves nothing.

Her utility in defeating synthetics disproves that it is stupid to employ an AI to defeating synthetics.

The Angry One wrote...
Again, EDI was made by Cerberus, and unshackled by Joker in a dire situation after proving that she was a loyal asset to the crew.
She's kept around because of her loyalty and proves to be an asset. 

I remember, I was there.  That's irrelevant to my point, which is that she as an AI is incredibly useful when employed to defeat synthetics.

The Angry One wrote...
Also Reapers are not AIs.

Well, they're certainly synthetic intelligences in thrall to the whims of an AI.

The Angry One wrote...
Compare this with the Leviathans, who say AIs are bad. See their client races destroyed by AI and instead of telling them to stop they decide to build their own unshackled, unhindered AI with no overrides built in, then are shocked when it turned against them.

Why do you presume unshackled?  It seems shackled to me (no evolution, no interest in expanding its mission).

[Isichar]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Catalyst: An AI created by organics to figure out how to stop AI's that were created by organics from killing all organics
EDI: Made to help stop the reapers.

Pretty different imo

What is this I don't even.  Do you even know how analogy works?  The point isn't that the two things being compared are identical, it's that they have similarites.

No, they are pretty much completely different in nearly every way possible I can think of. Different in the creation, purpose, form, capabilitys, views, ability to learn and grow.

How are they similar at all?

Modifié par Isichar, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:53 .

[Rhayak]

I am disappoint wrote...
But the entire plot of ME3 needed to reveal them for it to work.

Of course. What i mean to say is that Bioware didn't need to expand anymore on why the Reapers harvest us after ME2.

Leviathans create Reapers to serve them, Reapers rebel, then invent a way to sustain themselves: the harvest. Simple, end of it. They are like a parasite feeding on evolution and must be stopped.

This said, we are left with two points.

1- Victory should have been conventional-only, with endings branching per your choices during the trilogy.

2- Locating the Leviathans and learning the truth should have been the central theme of Mass 3.

No need for the crucible, the catalyst and the endless ocean of hate they birthed.

[MegaSovereign]

I wanna see Harbinger being created. I'd imagine it would be disgustingly epic.

[CaptainZaysh]

I am disappoint wrote...

It's not really that similar.
They're actually pretty different, in fact mostly the opposites. 

Jesus.  I'll spell it out for you:

1).  They are both AIs.

2).  They are both employed to defeat synthetics.

The OP was claiming that it is stupid to employ an AI to defeat synthetics.  EDI is an AI employed to defeat synthetics.  It is not stupid to employ EDI.  Do you get it yet?  How about if I draw it in crayon?

[JamesFaith]

No, Cthulu explanation never worked for me from one simple reason - Reapers are machines. And machines are created by someone.

If they were some kind of space squids in armor, so maybe, but as inteligent spaceship they are result of someone's work. Thanks to this I always accepted Sovereign's "we have no beggining..." as priggish talk of machine with little God complex, nothing more.

[Isichar]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

It's not really that similar.
They're actually pretty different, in fact mostly the opposites. 

Jesus.  I'll spell it out for you:

1).  They are both AIs.

2).  They are both employed to defeat synthetics.

The OP was claiming that it is stupid to employ an AI to defeat synthetics.  EDI is an AI employed to defeat synthetics.  It is not stupid to employ EDI.  Do you get it yet?  How about if I draw it in crayon?

Yes please. I want a drawing.

Your logic makes me

Modifié par Isichar, 07 septembre 2012 - 03:00 .

[Cainne Chapel]

Rhayak wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...
But the entire plot of ME3 needed to reveal them for it to work.

Of course. What i mean to say is that Bioware didn't need to expand anymore on why the Reapers harvest us after ME2.

Leviathans create Reapers to serve them, Reapers rebel, then invent a way to sustain themselves: the harvest. Simple, end of it. They are like a parasite feeding on evolution and must be stopped.

This said, we are left with two points.

1- Victory should have been conventional-only, with endings branching per your choices during the trilogy.

2- Locating the Leviathans and learning the truth should have been the central theme of Mass 3.

No need for the crucible, the catalyst and the endless ocean of hate they birthed.

Well with 2 that would just give people ANOTHER focus of the hate and vitriol instead of the catalyst.

and if they were going to go with conventional victory in 1, they would of needed to make Sovereign a special 1 off entity in terms of power that or the universe much more advanced, cooperative and ready to fight come ME3, which they didnt.

So we'd have to go almost all the way back to 1 and start from scratch... and if the leviathans could turn the tide of war.. against hundreds of thousands of ships, they shouldnt of been hanging back all this time but actively helping

[MegaSovereign]

JamesFaith wrote...

No, Cthulu explanation never worked for me from one simple reason - Reapers are machines. And machines are created by someone.

If they were some kind of space squids in armor, so maybe, but as inteligent spaceship they are result of someone's work. Thanks to this I always accepted Sovereign's "we have no beggining..." as priggish talk of machine with little God complex, nothing more.

Sovereign's statements were invalidated the minute we got to see a Reaper being created in ME2.

[I am Sovereign]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

It's not really that similar.
They're actually pretty different, in fact mostly the opposites. 

Jesus.  I'll spell it out for you:

1).  They are both AIs.

2).  They are both employed to defeat synthetics.

The OP was claiming that it is stupid to employ an AI to defeat synthetics.  EDI is an AI employed to defeat synthetics.  It is not stupid to employ EDI.  Do you get it yet?  How about if I draw it in crayon?

No need to insult people's intelligence because of your lack of it.

[Cainne Chapel]

JamesFaith wrote...

No, Cthulu explanation never worked for me from one simple reason - Reapers are machines. And machines are created by someone.

If they were some kind of space squids in armor, so maybe, but as inteligent spaceship they are result of someone's work. Thanks to this I always accepted Sovereign's "we have no beggining..." as priggish talk of machine with little God complex, nothing more.

I felt that way since ME1 personally.

I think people give sovereign WAAY too much credit and take his statements quite TOO literally.

He's like a classic bond villian i always felt