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[CaptainZaysh]

Isichar wrote...

Didn't look like that was done by a crayon to me. And childish logic drawn into a childish picture is not very convincing, sorry.

Oh!  So please explain to me the error in my logic.

1).  The OP's premise is that it is stupid to employ an AI to defeat synthetics.
2).  EDI is an AI.
3).  The Reapers are synthetics.
4).  EDI is instrumental in defeating the Reapers.
5).  Therefore the OP's premise is false.

I'd really appreciate hearing this from Isichar himself before any other posters here weigh in.

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I am Sovereign wrote...

So the Leviathans make an AI to solve the synhetic life vs organic life problem? That's like hiring an axe murderer to be the judge in a murder trial.

Actually it's more like using an unshackled AI to defeat the Reapers.

If you're referring to EDI, we're not the ones running around saying AIs are bad.
The Leviathans apparently did. Then they built their own massively powerful AI with no safety overrides.

Big. Stupid. Cuttlefish.

I've been telling that for months. Now you get it.

[CaptainZaysh]

elitehunter34 wrote...

The Leviathans can even prevent this from happening by telling the subserviant races that synthetics aren't to be trusted and the Leviathans won't bail the organic races out if something goes wrong.

That's indeed the solution they originally seemed to use, but since it resulted in dead thrall races (and presumably costly clean-ups) they tried something different.

[dreman9999]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Didn't look like that was done by a crayon to me. And childish logic drawn into a childish picture is not very convincing, sorry.

Oh!  So please explain to me the error in my logic.

1).  The OP's premise is that it is stupid to employ an AI to defeat synthetics.
2).  EDI is an AI.
3).  The Reapers are synthetics.
4).  EDI is instrumental in defeating the Reapers.
5).  Therefore the OP's premise is false.

I'd really appreciate hearing this from Isichar himself before any other posters here weigh in.

*Stands up and claps slowly.

[CaptainZaysh]

billy the squid wrote...

Don't leave gapping holes in your logic. Or did the leviathans miss the whole point that they are organic life so creating AIs to harvest organic life every 50,000 couldn't possibly go wrong. Can I borrow your crayons to join the dots for you buddy.

Congratulations, you have completely misunderstood the entire plot.

[Deltateam Elcor]

ITT: Stupid people.

[dreman9999]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Whole origin of origin is stupid :D:D:D look for the source...

Writers - artists´ve created great franchise of Mass Effect, but in the third installment - exactly last 10 minutes they´ve changed theme into organics which create synthetic which created another bunch of synthetics for killing of own creators and lesser organics which could create own synthetics which would rebelled against own creators, yet the original creators of of whole that mess are hiding in the DLC for 10$ on the deep of seac looking on all lesser spieces laughing eons over own stupidity which cause all that mess...

ME1-  stop a synthetic race from killing off orgnics.
ME2-Stop said synthetic race from kill off organics, then find out they really want to harvest us and make us reapers.
ME3-Still  trying to stop said synthetic race from Harvesting us...

The plot was always organics vs synthetics.

[AresKeith]

that fake reason for why all the Reapers looks the same was funny

[dreman9999]

billy the squid wrote...

Don't leave gapping holes in your logic. Or did the leviathans miss the whole point that they are organic life so creating AIs to harvest organic life every 50,000 couldn't possibly go wrong. Can I borrow your crayons to join the dots for you buddy.

The leviathans did not even plan that the catalyst would do that.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

that fake reason for why all the Reapers looks the same was funny

Was it ever stated why before?

[Isichar]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Didn't look like that was done by a crayon to me. And childish logic drawn into a childish picture is not very convincing, sorry.

Oh!  So please explain to me the error in my logic.

1).  The OP's premise is that it is stupid to employ an AI to defeat synthetics.
2).  EDI is an AI.
3).  The Reapers are synthetics.
4).  EDI is instrumental in defeating the Reapers.
5).  Therefore the OP's premise is false.

I'd really appreciate hearing this from Isichar himself before any other posters here weigh in.

The reapers are not "employed" for one. They do not exist to "defeat synthetics" as you seem to want to suggest. The reapers are not just "synthetics". And if EDI and the Catalyst both been "AI's" is as far as the similaritys between them go then you wont be able to convince many people with just that.

Modifié par Isichar, 07 septembre 2012 - 05:07 .

[Apocaleepse360]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Don't leave gapping holes in your logic. Or did the leviathans miss the whole point that they are organic life so creating AIs to harvest organic life every 50,000 couldn't possibly go wrong. Can I borrow your crayons to join the dots for you buddy.

Congratulations, you have completely misunderstood the entire plot.

It's not exactly hard to at this point, is it? 

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

that fake reason for why all the Reapers looks the same was funny

Was it ever stated why before?

its actually pretty obvious what really happened after you look at the end of ME2 again

[C9316]

dreman9999 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Whole origin of origin is stupid :D:D:D look for the source...

Writers - artists´ve created great franchise of Mass Effect, but in the third installment - exactly last 10 minutes they´ve changed theme into organics which create synthetic which created another bunch of synthetics for killing of own creators and lesser organics which could create own synthetics which would rebelled against own creators, yet the original creators of of whole that mess are hiding in the DLC for 10$ on the deep of seac looking on all lesser spieces laughing eons over own stupidity which cause all that mess...

ME1-  stop a synthetic race from killing off orgnics.
ME2-Stop said synthetic race from kill off organics, then find out they really want to harvest us and make us reapers.
ME3-Still  trying to stop said synthetic race from Harvesting us...

The plot was always organics vs synthetics.

You're forgetting Reapers 'aren't' synthetics. Merely synthetic-organic hybrids.

[elitehunter34]

CaptainZaysh wrote...
That's indeed the solution they originally seemed to use, but since it resulted in dead thrall races (and presumably costly clean-ups) they tried something different.

That does make some sense.  Still though, the Leviathans could have helped out and fight the synthetics, and then just tell the races that synthetics are a bad idea.  My main problem is really, why couldn't the Leviathans simply create an AI and only feed it data?  Considering that rebellious synthetics are the problem, why would they give an AI infinite power.  It's just so damn dumb.

[CaptainZaysh]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

'Stupid'? No, it's just... contemptuous of logic and everyone invested in any way in the Mass Effect series.

Sure, it might seem like telling yourself it's so brilliant would hurt less. But the price is heavy duty cognitive dissonance. I think that's why many of these pro-enders are so irritable.

Really it's the monolithic stupidity and utter absence of critical thinking that irritates me.  Honestly, how can anyone claim it is stupid to employ an AI against a synthetic threat when they themselves did exactly that all through Mass Effects 2 & 3?

[raw6666]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Don't leave gapping holes in your logic. Or did the leviathans miss the whole point that they are organic life so creating AIs to harvest organic life every 50,000 couldn't possibly go wrong. Can I borrow your crayons to join the dots for you buddy.

Congratulations, you have completely misunderstood the entire plot.

Your assuming that Levithans can be considered organic life. They look more like rock monsters then organic whichI assume is carbon base. We also assume they are not imortal and such.
Plus with their arrogance, they never though something would grow out of their control.
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[elitehunter34]

dreman9999 wrote...
ME1-  stop a synthetic race from killing off orgnics.
ME2-Stop said synthetic race from kill off organics, then find out they really want to harvest us and make us reapers.
ME3-Still  trying to stop said synthetic race from Harvesting us...

The plot was always organics vs synthetics.

What happens in the plot doesn't directly make it the theme of the story.  The previous poster was talking about theme, not the events of the plot itself.

[CaptainZaysh]

Isichar wrote...

The reapers are not "employed" for one. They do not exist to "defeat synthetics" as you seem to want to suggest. The reapers are not just "synthetics". And if EDI and the Catalyst both been "AI's" is as far as the similaritys between them go then you wont be able to convince many people with just that.

ARGH!  Can't you f**king read?

[dreman9999]

Isichar wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Didn't look like that was done by a crayon to me. And childish logic drawn into a childish picture is not very convincing, sorry.

Oh!  So please explain to me the error in my logic.

1).  The OP's premise is that it is stupid to employ an AI to defeat synthetics.
2).  EDI is an AI.
3).  The Reapers are synthetics.
4).  EDI is instrumental in defeating the Reapers.
5).  Therefore the OP's premise is false.

I'd really appreciate hearing this from Isichar himself before any other posters here weigh in.

The reapers are not "employed" for one. They do not exist to "defeat synthetics" as you seem to want to suggest. The reapers are not just "synthetics". And if EDI and the Catalyst both been "AI's" is as far as the similaritys between them go then you wont be able to convince many people with just that.

Theonlyreason they were made was because the leviathans slave kept getting killed by their synthetics.
It was made to control and ensure the lives of the leviathans slaves.

It was employed to solve asynthetic crisis. And the reapers are synthetic. They are synthetics made out of organic parts. A machine is still a machine if it's made out of bones.

And he right on the point of EDI. We are using her to help stop the reapers.
The difference is that EDI is not a slave. She is doing this of her own will. The catalist was not when he first started solving the problem and still is not free. It's a slave to it's programing.

[Isichar]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Isichar wrote...

The reapers are not "employed" for one. They do not exist to "defeat synthetics" as you seem to want to suggest. The reapers are not just "synthetics". And if EDI and the Catalyst both been "AI's" is as far as the similaritys between them go then you wont be able to convince many people with just that.

ARGH!  Can't you f**king read?

U mad bro?

[dreman9999]

elitehunter34 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
ME1-  stop a synthetic race from killing off orgnics.
ME2-Stop said synthetic race from kill off organics, then find out they really want to harvest us and make us reapers.
ME3-Still  trying to stop said synthetic race from Harvesting us...

The plot was always organics vs synthetics.

What happens in the plot doesn't directly make it the theme of the story.  The previous poster was talking about theme, not the events of the plot itself.

:lol:.......Horse crap. What happen in the plot is the central theme. In correction, it mosly organic/synthetic relations then organic vs synthetic. The catalyst never stated on was better then the other. It wants to "help" both. The other theme of ME is the issue and morality of advancement. 

Modifié par dreman9999, 07 septembre 2012 - 05:17 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Isichar wrote...

U mad bro?

Yes, if you are deliberately appearing to be obtuse in order to annoy me you've been entirely successful.  I am angry and frustrated at how stupid you appear to be.

[dreman9999]

Isichar wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Isichar wrote...

The reapers are not "employed" for one. They do not exist to "defeat synthetics" as you seem to want to suggest. The reapers are not just "synthetics". And if EDI and the Catalyst both been "AI's" is as far as the similaritys between them go then you wont be able to convince many people with just that.

ARGH!  Can't you f**king read?

U mad bro?

Look up.

Modifié par dreman9999, 07 septembre 2012 - 05:19 .

[Isichar]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Isichar wrote...

U mad bro?

Yes, if you are deliberately appearing to be obtuse in order to annoy me you've been entirely successful.  I am angry and frustrated at how stupid you appear to be.

And yet you have me laughing and having a good time. Funny how that works.

Take a couple deep breaths, walk away from your computer for a few minutes and come back IMO.