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[Mr.House]

LiarasShield wrote...

Shepard died from less in me2 and if shepard couldn't survive something this extreme before why would you believe it now the denial has to stop and hidden ingame files or twitter spouts to back up what was never shown or given in the game is very weak counter arguements that have no steam behind them

Shepard is a uber cyborg, with implants that can reboot themselfs if they need to. Her bones are also extreamly strong. She was able to survive a hit by a Reaper beam. She can survive an explosion.

[Mythanblood]

LiarasShield wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...

Sorry to burst your bubble but Bioware did show that Shepard is alive in the destory ending. The filenames prove it:
"End03_Shepard_Alive_Male.bik"
and
"End03_Shepard_Alive_Fem.bik"

Filename doesn't prove anything just like saying things off twitter doesn't because you didn't have the heart to show how and why your protagonist lived and their is too much that shepard went through for that one file to back up him or her living because we get no ingame proof of him or her really being alive just that maybe your love interest doesn't put your name on the wall

You're pretty ignorant, you know?

I understand your frustration about Bioware not finishing the story and leaving things "out for interpretation" () but things are the way they are and, unless we can change things (which we can't), we all have to live with it.

Oh and, those files I mentioned? They're in the game. It's called the breath scene. <_<

Modifié par Mythanblood, 07 septembre 2012 - 05:32 .

[RenegonSQ]

The Collectors Edition Book says that you live in the High EMS Destroy ending.

Look it up.

Nothing else needs to be said.

[The Angry One]

sharkboy421 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

the intent isn't clear and does not make sense no human could survive this and shepard died from much less in mass effect 2

No human should be able to survive getting shot with a dreadnaught's main weapon either.  But Shep does.

Does this prove IT?

[LiarasShield]

essarr71 wrote...

Your argument is shep should be able to breath without oxygen to show they could survive getting burnt and shot?

Shepard armour is melted to his or her body he or she is bleeding out and passiong out by the control panel the explosion to the body from the crucible choice and then however shepard made back down to earth

Just how gulliable can one person be ?

[Deltateam Elcor]

LiarasShield wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Your argument is shep should be able to breath without oxygen to show they could survive getting burnt and shot?

Shepard armour is melted to his or her body he or she is bleeding out and passiong out by the control panel the explosion to the body from the crucible choice and then however shepard made back down to earth

Just how gulliable can one person be ?

[LiarasShield]

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Your argument is shep should be able to breath without oxygen to show they could survive getting burnt and shot?

Shepard armour is melted to his or her body he or she is bleeding out and passiong out by the control panel the explosion to the body from the crucible choice and then however shepard made back down to earth

Just how gulliable can one person be ?

no I really need a answer for that one lol

[ghost9191]

The Angry One wrote...

sharkboy421 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

the intent isn't clear and does not make sense no human could survive this and shepard died from much less in mass effect 2

No human should be able to survive getting shot with a dreadnaught's main weapon either.  But Shep does.

Does this prove IT?

yes. yes it does

or does it?

Modifié par ghost9191, 07 septembre 2012 - 05:36 .

[Forst1999]

LiarasShield wrote...

the intent isn't clear and does not make sense no human could survive this and shepard died from much less in mass effect 2

Suffocating and crashing on a planet isn't exactly "much less". Regarding your other points:
-The armor isn't "melted to his or her body", otherwise Shep wouldn't have gotten up again. It's "only" badly charred.
-Getting up to fast might cause pass-outs even with non live-threatening injuries. Shep lost blood, and not little, but it's not necessariliy fatal. 
-An exploding terminal is hardly the most dangerous thing Shepard ever encountered. Maybe a few burnings, but they don't have to be severe.
I'm no fan of the destroy ending, but Shep lives.

[essarr71]

LiarasShield wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Your argument is shep should be able to breath without oxygen to show they could survive getting burnt and shot?

Shepard armour is melted to his or her body he or she is bleeding out and passiong out by the control panel the explosion to the body from the crucible choice and then however shepard made back down to earth

Just how gulliable can one person be ?

Yet shep is walking around in the next scene. You that dense?

[chadesh]

personally I think that shepard never made it to the citadel in the first place. All the trauma he/she had I seriously doubt shepard was able to walk.

Most of what we saw was shepards mind doing what his/her body couldn't do, but is was only a hallucination. I think that anderson made it up to the citadel and used destroy.

Shepard was still on earth under ruble of london.

which would allow him/her to survive.

[AxStapleton]

The whole intention was that Shepard lives in this ending, you can complain about how that was presented but they wouldn't have gone to all the trouble of doing a more upbeat memorial scene in the EC and the Breath scene if it just turns out that they killed Shepard off anyway.

[DeathIsHere]

LiarasShield wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...

Sorry to burst your bubble but Bioware did show that Shepard is alive in the destory ending. The filenames prove it:
"End03_Shepard_Alive_Male.bik"
and
"End03_Shepard_Alive_Fem.bik"

Filename doesn't prove anything just like saying things off twitter doesn't because you didn't have the heart to show how and why your protagonist lived and their is too much that shepard went through for that one file to back up him or her living because we get no ingame proof of him or her really being alive just that maybe your love interest doesn't put your name on the wall

I have one: Shepard breathes at the end. From my understanding, the breathe scene is AFTER all the scenes you listed (actually, it definitely is) and as far as I know dead people don't breathe so that, plus the filenames and everything else, is me having heart and showing why my protagonist lived.

[wright1978]

Nope Shep survived. Sure he needs a bit of fixing up but then his LI is the woman responsible for raising him from the dead. No problemo.

[darkway1]

Cerberus will obtain Shepard's left toe nail and rebuild him.

[LiarasShield]

AxStapleton wrote...

The whole intention was that Shepard lives in this ending, you can complain about how that was presented but they wouldn't have gone to all the trouble of doing a more upbeat memorial scene in the EC and the Breath scene if it just turns out that they killed Shepard off anyway.

and yet they probably would've showed more of shepard being alive but they didn't want to crush the indoctrination theory either it can work both ways love it is a excuse to try to say the protagonist lives when you're not able to offer anything up to prove it

[Rxdiaz]

Whatever...
The real point is how stupid the ending is.
If Shepard is alive show him alive.
If he's dead show him dead.

This stupid breath scene has been done countless times in cheesy movies.
And it's always sucked.

But I guess it's too artistic for my tastes....

[Deltateam Elcor]

[Robhuzz]

LiarasShield wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...

Sorry to burst your bubble but Bioware did show that Shepard is alive in the destory ending. The filenames prove it:
"End03_Shepard_Alive_Male.bik"
and
"End03_Shepard_Alive_Fem.bik"

Filename doesn't prove anything just like saying things off twitter doesn't because you didn't have the heart to show how and why your protagonist lived and their is too much that shepard went through for that one file to back up him or her living because we get no ingame proof of him or her really being alive just that maybe your love interest doesn't put your name on the wall

Well you can thank EA for BioWare not showing why/how the protagonist lived. In the original ending of the game Shepard was able to survive visibly. Only when EA pressed them were they forced to add a different ending quickly. Obviously they didn't have time to work it out either so... uncommitting ending presto. Then they just had to weave a convincing story that it was planned this way. Can't have them outright telling the truth or EA would lose face....

Ahh EA... how I loathe your business practices...

[Pitznik]

LiarasShield wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

The whole intention was that Shepard lives in this ending, you can complain about how that was presented but they wouldn't have gone to all the trouble of doing a more upbeat memorial scene in the EC and the Breath scene if it just turns out that they killed Shepard off anyway.

and yet they probably would've showed more of shepard being alive but they didn't want to crush the indoctrination theory either it can work both ways love it is a excuse to try to say the protagonist lives when you're not able to offer anything up to prove it

IT is impossible to crush. Whatever would happen, it can still be part of the vision. IT is immune to disproving.

The scene at the end of Destroy high EMS is ingame proof of Shepard being alive at the very end.

[AxStapleton]

LiarasShield wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...

The whole intention was that Shepard lives in this ending, you can complain about how that was presented but they wouldn't have gone to all the trouble of doing a more upbeat memorial scene in the EC and the Breath scene if it just turns out that they killed Shepard off anyway.

and yet they probably would've showed more of shepard being alive but they didn't want to crush the indoctrination theory either it can work both ways love it is a excuse to try to say the protagonist lives when you're not able to offer anything up to prove it

No, because I believe enough has already been said. But if it helps you sleep at night, I won't stop you. 

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Does this prove that shepard is the space hamster?

[LiarasShield]

Rxdiaz wrote...

Whatever...
The real point is how stupid the ending is.
If Shepard is alive show him alive.
If he's dead show him dead.

This stupid breath scene has been done countless times in cheesy movies.
And it's always sucked.

But I guess it's too artistic for my tastes....

It is weak at best to use a hidden file and twitter to try to say shepard lives when shepard died from less in me2 and then try to say shepard is alive here

What is more annoying then anything is how quick'y everybody will jump for the whole please give me a little bit of hope so shepard will be alive in my own mind even if he or she died in the game

You wanna know the only true ending where shepard continues to live on for all time and that you get to see it and to know it it is when shepard becomes the new catalyst in control it is the only ending that shows and tells you that shepard lives on as the catalyst and you can hear him or her illustrating that choice

[fil009]

I thought Shepard was going to be dead as well until the Breath Scene. It wouldn't be there to signify his final breath and its not James lol, Bioware is not that harsh to us.

[Unata]

Either way it's still a crappy ending for 4 years of devotion to our Shepards and to be honest this is the only thing about ME3 that I truly dislike..a lot