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[LiarasShield]

If they wanted shepard to live they would've truley showed how and why he or she lived

And I doubt he or she would be dead in every other ending if they wanted shepard to live and shepard died from less damage in me2 and after seeing all the damage shepard went through in those links I provided

Then I really do have the question the sanity of bsn its self

Modifié par LiarasShield, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:17 .

[ghost9191]

eh destroy was first choice. my shep died in that one, didn't have 4000ems due to staying away from mp till i beat it. shepard living is just a bonus

[Tipsyfresh]

Pitznik wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Also, the presidium tower looks pretty intact for the amount of damage it took. (IMG)


They retconned the citadel damage like they did so many other things, but it doesn't look all that unlikely for Shepard to survive now, she survives a reaper blast afterall lol.

Problem is you can still see the wards breaking away in the explosion. So either this slide shows the Citadel being halfway fixed, some time after the ending, or person that edited the destroy cinematic made a cut bit too late.

True it could've went both ways, but for that type of work to have been done on the citadel and then shep's breathing scene happens? Nah, Retconned the explosion damage to the citadel bioware did.

[LiarasShield]

ghost9191 wrote...

eh destroy was first choice. my shep died in that one, didn't have 4000ems due to staying away from mp till i beat it. shepard living is just a bonus

If indeed shepard lives which I highly doubt it just stops the crucible beam from frying most of the people on earth or in the galaxy causing hackett some serious despair

[Candidate 88766]

The filenames label the scene as 'Shepard lives'. The collectors edition book, written by Bioware, says Shepard lives in this ending. Bioware employees have openly referred to the 'Shepard lives' ending. You literally see Shepard breathing. Not really sure how much clearer they can be.

Lets put it this way - in destroy, you see Shepard engulfed by an explosion. Its reasonable to assume he is dead. In synthesis and control you literally see Shepard dissolve, but even if you don't see that in destroy its reasonable to assume he's dead. So why would they add an extra cutscene after the credits very clearly showing Shepard not dead, if their message is that Shepard died? If he's dead, they can just leave the final shot of Shepard as him being engulfed in the explosion from shooting the pipe thing. You don't need anything more. Adding a cutscene showing him breathing points in the opposite direction of Shepard being dead. If their intent is for Shepard to die, why show a cutscene of him living when they could have simply shown nothing after the credits?

Common sense, and the evidence I mentioned above, all point to Bioware's message with this extra cutscene being that Shepard is alive. Whether he will come away horribly scarred or mutilated is left up to your imagination, but if he was going to die shortly afterwards anyway there would be no reason to show the cutscene of him living.

Of course, its deeply implausible that Shepard could've survived the explosions on the Citadel, but this is the same game that brought someone back from the dead. As in, actually resurrected someone who was clinically braindead, and without any apparent damage either physically or mentally. If you can suspend your disbelief for that, you can do it again for the destroy ending.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:21 .

[phillip100]

LiarasShield wrote...

phillip100 wrote...

The collectors edition booklet says that Shepard is alive if you have an EMS of 4000 or more and choose destroy. If that is not proof to you, then you really are ignorant.

Yeah because using twitter and books that are not in the game is so fact worthy just how I can rewrite anything on wikipedia and if you look it up you still might believe it

I am not pulling this out out of thin air, the booklet comes with the N7 collectors edition of ME3 and it says what I have just told you. The only thing I agree with you is that BioWare should've put more Into the breath scene to make it clear that Shepard is alive and they could've just done that in the Extended Cut.

Modifié par phillip100, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:21 .

[JeffZero]

This thread.

Oh. My god.

[phillip100]

JeffZero wrote...

This thread.

Oh. My god.

My thoughts exactly.

[ghost9191]

synthesis and control had shepards death as the downside. well one that was stated by the catalyst. destroy is the geth and edi, and shepard unless high enough ems. why put that scene in otherwise

[LiarasShield]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The filenames label the scene as 'Shepard lives'. The collectors edition book, written by Bioware, says Shepard lives in this ending. Bioware employees have openly referred to the 'Shepard lives' ending. You literally see Shepard breathing. Not really sure how much clearer they can be.

Lets put it this way - in destroy, you see Shepard engulfed by an explosion. Its reasonable to assume he is dead. In synthesis and control you literally see Shepard dissolve, but even if you don't see that in destroy its reasonable to assume he's dead. So why would they add an extra cutscene after the credits very clearly showing Shepard not dead, if their message is that Shepard died? If he's dead, they can just leave the final shot of Shepard as him being engulfed in the explosion from shooting the pipe thing. You don't need anything more. Adding a cutscene showing him breathing points in the opposite direction of Shepard being dead. If their intent is for Shepard to die, why show a cutscene of him living when they could have simply shown nothing after the credits?

Common sense, and the evidence I mentioned above, all point to Bioware's message with this extra cutscene being that Shepard is alive. Whether he will come away horribly scarred or mutilated is left up to your imagination, but if he was going to die shortly afterwards anyway there would be no reason to show the cutscene of him living.

Yet if shepard was ment to live he or she wouldn't die in most of the endings and they could've improve upon him or her living in the extended cut but they didn't ****ing do that


If they did truely make him or her out to be alive I wouldn't have made this thread and be argueing with all of you right now

Modifié par LiarasShield, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:22 .

[wright1978]

phillip100 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

phillip100 wrote...

The collectors edition booklet says that Shepard is alive if you have an EMS of 4000 or more and choose destroy. If that is not proof to you, then you really are ignorant.

Yeah because using twitter and books that are not in the game is so fact worthy just how I can rewrite anything on wikipedia and if you look it up you still might believe it

I am not pulling this out out of thin air, the booklet comes with the N7 collectors edition of ME3 and it says what I have just told you. I only I agree with you is that BioWare should've put more Into the breath scene to make it clear that Shepard is alive and they could've just done that in the Extended Cut.

The original EC breath scene works in context of original endings. How they thought in extended cut not expanding upon it was in any way satisfactory is beyond me. Doesn't chnage the fact it is clearly indication that shep survives that ending.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Pitznik wrote...

Problem is you can still see the wards breaking away in the explosion. So either this slide shows the Citadel being halfway fixed, some time after the ending, or person that edited the destroy cinematic made a cut bit too late.

There's one arm off in this picture, though I agree I hadn't thought of what you said.

[ghost9191]

phillip100 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

This thread.

Oh. My god.

My thoughts exactly.

thought this would stop around page 2, why i held off on the " this thread is going places"

now i will never get to use it

[D24O]

JeffZero wrote...

This thread.

Oh. My god.

Sry Jeff, hes ded.

[Village_Idiot]

LiarasShield wrote...

If they wanted shepard to live they would've truley showed how and why he or she lived

Not necessarily. Allusion is a very common cinematic technique.

And I doubt he or she would be dead in every other ending if they wanted
shepard to live

I'm interested as why you think that.

Modifié par Shadrach 88, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:22 .

[lillitheris]

You’re adorable, LiarasShield.

[TheWerdna]

Ah yes you again. How many "Shepard Dies" threads is it now? 4? 5?

Seriously, try harder if you are going to troll next time.

[Tipsyfresh]

phillip100 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

This thread.

Oh. My god.

My thoughts exactly.

To be fair that same guide said I couldn't have a relationship with Kaiden while playing as male Shep. But yea more than likely they say Shephard lives because either bioware confirmed it for the guide, or that's just what it looks like to someone with a brain that works. Still bioware f'd up.

[LiarasShield]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

If they wanted shepard to live they would've truley showed how and why he or she lived

Not necessarily. Allusion is a very common cinematic technique.

And I doubt he or she would be dead in every other ending if they wanted
shepard to live

I'm interested as why you think that.

Because the extended cut was the last chance to show how and why shepard survived and bioware didn't do

[AxStapleton]

LiarasShield wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The filenames label the scene as 'Shepard lives'. The collectors edition book, written by Bioware, says Shepard lives in this ending. Bioware employees have openly referred to the 'Shepard lives' ending. You literally see Shepard breathing. Not really sure how much clearer they can be.

Lets put it this way - in destroy, you see Shepard engulfed by an explosion. Its reasonable to assume he is dead. In synthesis and control you literally see Shepard dissolve, but even if you don't see that in destroy its reasonable to assume he's dead. So why would they add an extra cutscene after the credits very clearly showing Shepard not dead, if their message is that Shepard died? If he's dead, they can just leave the final shot of Shepard as him being engulfed in the explosion from shooting the pipe thing. You don't need anything more. Adding a cutscene showing him breathing points in the opposite direction of Shepard being dead. If their intent is for Shepard to die, why show a cutscene of him living when they could have simply shown nothing after the credits?

Common sense, and the evidence I mentioned above, all point to Bioware's message with this extra cutscene being that Shepard is alive. Whether he will come away horribly scarred or mutilated is left up to your imagination, but if he was going to die shortly afterwards anyway there would be no reason to show the cutscene of him living.

Yet if shepard was ment to live he or she wouldn't die in most of the endings and they could've improve upon him or her living in the extended cut but they didn't ****ing do that


If they did truely make him or her out to be alive I wouldn't have made this thread and be argueing with all of you right now

So really, your major gripe is just that they didn't show it more clearly, which is fair enough.

[LiarasShield]

AxStapleton wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The filenames label the scene as 'Shepard lives'. The collectors edition book, written by Bioware, says Shepard lives in this ending. Bioware employees have openly referred to the 'Shepard lives' ending. You literally see Shepard breathing. Not really sure how much clearer they can be.

Lets put it this way - in destroy, you see Shepard engulfed by an explosion. Its reasonable to assume he is dead. In synthesis and control you literally see Shepard dissolve, but even if you don't see that in destroy its reasonable to assume he's dead. So why would they add an extra cutscene after the credits very clearly showing Shepard not dead, if their message is that Shepard died? If he's dead, they can just leave the final shot of Shepard as him being engulfed in the explosion from shooting the pipe thing. You don't need anything more. Adding a cutscene showing him breathing points in the opposite direction of Shepard being dead. If their intent is for Shepard to die, why show a cutscene of him living when they could have simply shown nothing after the credits?

Common sense, and the evidence I mentioned above, all point to Bioware's message with this extra cutscene being that Shepard is alive. Whether he will come away horribly scarred or mutilated is left up to your imagination, but if he was going to die shortly afterwards anyway there would be no reason to show the cutscene of him living.

Yet if shepard was ment to live he or she wouldn't die in most of the endings and they could've improve upon him or her living in the extended cut but they didn't ****ing do that


If they did truely make him or her out to be alive I wouldn't have made this thread and be argueing with all of you right now

So really, your major gripe is just that they didn't show it more clearly, which is fair enough.

If shepard did somehow  damn survive then yeah I'm extremely pissed as to why they do not explain how he or she survived or why the hell they didn't show more of him or her living

[Pitznik]

Tipsyfresh wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Also, the presidium tower looks pretty intact for the amount of damage it took. (IMG)


They retconned the citadel damage like they did so many other things, but it doesn't look all that unlikely for Shepard to survive now, she survives a reaper blast afterall lol.

Problem is you can still see the wards breaking away in the explosion. So either this slide shows the Citadel being halfway fixed, some time after the ending, or person that edited the destroy cinematic made a cut bit too late.

True it could've went both ways, but for that type of work to have been done on the citadel and then shep's breathing scene happens? Nah, Retconned the explosion damage to the citadel bioware did.

I don't think Shepard breathing scene is meant to happen after the epilogue either way. Hackett's speech seem to be made some good time after the ending, and slides imply the same - I mean, Krogan's pregnancy can't be that short so slides present the future anyway. I'll have to check what exactly happens with the presidum in the big explosion - if it's not damaged despite the fireball being HUGE, he could easily survive inside, and rubble would be the result of tremors, not utter destruction of the tower.

[D24O]

The only way Shepard could come back from that is through the graces of Based God.

Modifié par D24O, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:28 .

[Legendary Chop Chop]

It's ambiguous on purpose, please understand that.

[Sajuro]

Just slap some medigel on him, he'll be fine