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[Iakus]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

If they wanted shepard to live they would've truley showed how and why he or she lived

Not necessarily. Allusion is a very common cinematic technique.

So Shepard's only alluded to dying in every other ending?

[TheWerdna]

D24O wrote...

The only way Shepard could come back from that is through the graces of Based God.

With space magic, anything is possible. :wizard:

[RenegonSQ]

RenegonSQ wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

The Collectors Edition Book says that you live in the High EMS Destroy ending.

Look it up.

Nothing else needs to be said.

I know you people aren't blind, lol

[LiarasShield]

D24O wrote...

The only way Shepard could come back from that is through the graces of Based God.

Yeah the only way he or she could've survived is if jesus came out of the sky and touched his or her forehead and said rise my child it is not yet your time

[Candidate 88766]

LiarasShield wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The filenames label the scene as 'Shepard lives'. The collectors edition book, written by Bioware, says Shepard lives in this ending. Bioware employees have openly referred to the 'Shepard lives' ending. You literally see Shepard breathing. Not really sure how much clearer they can be.

Lets put it this way - in destroy, you see Shepard engulfed by an explosion. Its reasonable to assume he is dead. In synthesis and control you literally see Shepard dissolve, but even if you don't see that in destroy its reasonable to assume he's dead. So why would they add an extra cutscene after the credits very clearly showing Shepard not dead, if their message is that Shepard died? If he's dead, they can just leave the final shot of Shepard as him being engulfed in the explosion from shooting the pipe thing. You don't need anything more. Adding a cutscene showing him breathing points in the opposite direction of Shepard being dead. If their intent is for Shepard to die, why show a cutscene of him living when they could have simply shown nothing after the credits?

Common sense, and the evidence I mentioned above, all point to Bioware's message with this extra cutscene being that Shepard is alive. Whether he will come away horribly scarred or mutilated is left up to your imagination, but if he was going to die shortly afterwards anyway there would be no reason to show the cutscene of him living.

Yet if shepard was ment to live he or she wouldn't die in most of the endings and they could've improve upon him or her living in the extended cut but they didn't ****ing do that


If they did truely make him or her out to be alive I wouldn't have made this thread and be argueing with all of you right now

Could the cutscene have been clearer? Yeah, probably.

However, the only possible reason to have a cutscene showing Shepard alive is if Shepard is alive.

If they wanted to show Shepard had died, they would've left it with him being engulfed by the explosion when he shoots the pipe.

So if you actually think about it for a bit, the cutscene is clear enough on the matter. What Shepard goes on to do with his life is up to the player. Does he live for decades more in relative peace? Does he linger around for a few more years in terrible pain? Its up to you. But its painfully obvious that Shepard does indeed live for at least a while longer. If he didn't, there'd be no reason to show him alive in the first place.

[Candidate 88766]

RenegonSQ wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

The Collectors Edition Book says that you live in the High EMS Destroy ending.

Look it up.

Nothing else needs to be said.

I know you people aren't blind, lol

'You people?'

Literally everyone in this thread is in agreement with you except the OP.

[ghost9191]

arguing over differences in opinions



got it

[TheWerdna]

LiarasShield wrote...

D24O wrote...

The only way Shepard could come back from that is through the graces of Based God.

Yeah the only way he or she could've survived is if jesus came out of the sky and touched his or her forehead and said rise my child it is not yet your time

Or through the power of space magic. I mean, synthesis makes less sense then Shepard living, and that happens.

Give in to the power of space magic:wizard::wizard:

[Candidate 88766]

iakus wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

If they wanted shepard to live they would've truley showed how and why he or she lived

Not necessarily. Allusion is a very common cinematic technique.

So Shepard's only alluded to dying in every other ending?

You literally see him dissolve in both control and synthesis. They're not alluding to anything; they're directly showing Shepard die. Or at the very least lose his corporeal form.

[LiarasShield]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

The filenames label the scene as 'Shepard lives'. The collectors edition book, written by Bioware, says Shepard lives in this ending. Bioware employees have openly referred to the 'Shepard lives' ending. You literally see Shepard breathing. Not really sure how much clearer they can be.

Lets put it this way - in destroy, you see Shepard engulfed by an explosion. Its reasonable to assume he is dead. In synthesis and control you literally see Shepard dissolve, but even if you don't see that in destroy its reasonable to assume he's dead. So why would they add an extra cutscene after the credits very clearly showing Shepard not dead, if their message is that Shepard died? If he's dead, they can just leave the final shot of Shepard as him being engulfed in the explosion from shooting the pipe thing. You don't need anything more. Adding a cutscene showing him breathing points in the opposite direction of Shepard being dead. If their intent is for Shepard to die, why show a cutscene of him living when they could have simply shown nothing after the credits?

Common sense, and the evidence I mentioned above, all point to Bioware's message with this extra cutscene being that Shepard is alive. Whether he will come away horribly scarred or mutilated is left up to your imagination, but if he was going to die shortly afterwards anyway there would be no reason to show the cutscene of him living.

Yet if shepard was ment to live he or she wouldn't die in most of the endings and they could've improve upon him or her living in the extended cut but they didn't ****ing do that


If they did truely make him or her out to be alive I wouldn't have made this thread and be argueing with all of you right now

Could the cutscene have been clearer? Yeah, probably.

However, the only possible reason to have a cutscene showing Shepard alive is if Shepard is alive.

If they wanted to show Shepard had died, they would've left it with him being engulfed by the explosion when he shoots the pipe.

So if you actually think about it for a bit, the cutscene is clear enough on the matter. What Shepard goes on to do with his life is up to the player. Does he live for decades more in relative peace? Does he linger around for a few more years in terrible pain? Its up to you. But its painfully obvious that Shepard does indeed live for at least a while longer. If he didn't, there'd be no reason to show him alive in the first place.

Thats the thing  about filler shots it doesn't prove him or her living one way or another

[Village_Idiot]

iakus wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

If they wanted shepard to live they would've truley showed how and why he or she lived

Not necessarily. Allusion is a very common cinematic technique.

So Shepard's only alluded to dying in every other ending?

Considering you see Shepard physically disintegrate in Control and Synthesis, clearly not. If you can construe that as "possibly not dead" (the ascendance in Control notwithstanding), I'd be interested in the logic behind it.

Shepard's "death" in Destroy is nowhere near as clear-cut.

Modifié par Shadrach 88, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:32 .

[D24O]

LiarasShield wrote...

D24O wrote...

The only way Shepard could come back from that is through the graces of Based God.

Yeah the only way he or she could've survived is if jesus came out of the sky and touched his or her forehead and said rise my child it is not yet your time

https://encrypted-tb...F7x78j1HZ9gOMU 

[LiarasShield]

TheWerdna wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

D24O wrote...

The only way Shepard could come back from that is through the graces of Based God.

Yeah the only way he or she could've survived is if jesus came out of the sky and touched his or her forehead and said rise my child it is not yet your time

Or through the power of space magic. I mean, synthesis makes less sense then Shepard living, and that happens.

Give in to the power of space magic:wizard::wizard:

Yeah I'm not gonna jump on the space magic train express sorry if they wanted shepard to live they would've shown more and done more and I'm not so easily to accept such bs like alot of others seem to do

*Rubs her chin and stares at most of the people in her thread*

Modifié par LiarasShield, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:32 .

[Iakus]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

If they wanted shepard to live they would've truley showed how and why he or she lived

Not necessarily. Allusion is a very common cinematic technique.

So Shepard's only alluded to dying in every other ending?

You literally see him dissolve in both control and synthesis. They're not alluding to anything; they're directly showing Shepard die. Or at the very least lose his corporeal form.

So why is Shepard directly shown dying, but only alluded to living?  Why do dead Shepards get closure, and live Shepards get "implications"?

[TheWerdna]

LiarasShield wrote...

TheWerdna wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

D24O wrote...

The only way Shepard could come back from that is through the graces of Based God.

Yeah the only way he or she could've survived is if jesus came out of the sky and touched his or her forehead and said rise my child it is not yet your time

Or through the power of space magic. I mean, synthesis makes less sense then Shepard living, and that happens.

Give in to the power of space magic:wizard::wizard:

Yeah I'm not gonna jump on the space train express sorry if they wanted shepard to lvie they would've shown more and done more and I'm not so easily to accept such bs like alot of others seem to do

*Rubs her chin and stares at most of the people in her thread*

Unfortunally Shepard living, along with 99% of the endings, can only be explained through the power of space magic. The endings exist in a realm far outside logic and are, in the words of the Rannoch Reaper,  " not a thing you can comprehend"

Modifié par TheWerdna, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:34 .

[Dean_the_Young]

LiarasShield wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

And yet you cant prove it.

Already have 3 example to show why shepard didn't live because he or she took  more damage then any human being could

Actually, you provided three examples of Shepard living through despite injuries sustained.

Counter to your point, honestly.

[Pitznik]

pirate1802 wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Problem is you can still see the wards breaking away in the explosion. So either this slide shows the Citadel being halfway fixed, some time after the ending, or person that edited the destroy cinematic made a cut bit too late.

There's one arm off in this picture, though I agree I hadn't thought of what you said.

I can see all five being in place?

And there is more than one breaking away in the high ems destroy - in fact, all . Sadly can't really see what happens to the tower :/

[LiarasShield]

iakus wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

If they wanted shepard to live they would've truley showed how and why he or she lived

Not necessarily. Allusion is a very common cinematic technique.

So Shepard's only alluded to dying in every other ending?

You literally see him dissolve in both control and synthesis. They're not alluding to anything; they're directly showing Shepard die. Or at the very least lose his corporeal form.

So why is Shepard directly shown dying, but only alluded to living?  Why do dead Shepards get closure, and live Shepards get "implications"?

Yeah the question of the day for shepard that dies he or she gets closure then we get a million other implications of what might be maybe shepard is alive but their is no real closure at all at least in control and synthesis their is

But supposedly alive shepards gets none really that how little we value our protagonist.... X_X

[Candidate 88766]

iakus wrote...

So why is Shepard directly shown dying, but only alluded to living?  Why do dead Shepards get closure, and live Shepards get "implications"?

Because thats what Bioware chose to do. Don't know why they chose to do it that way, but its what they did.

[phillip100]

Believe what you want, LiaraShield, but you're not going to stop me from knowing that the collectors edition booklet, the breath scene, and the file names for the breath scene mean that Shepard is alive.

phillip100 out.

[Kyle Kabanya]

Does anybody realize that its a game?

I wanted a real ending where shep is alive and conscious and with his team again, but all we got is a breath. Who cares about some breath scene, no one.

The ending was terrible, it ruined the whole franchise and nothing can save it, so please stop talking about it. Bioware had a chance to retconn and fix the ending but muffed up. There's no point to continue bickering about it.

[LiarasShield]

and obviously for this supposed ending where you think shepard is alive having no clousre for our main protagonist for the last 5 or so something years is ok you know what I'm really tempted to throw my computer at somebody because of this stuff.

[Mcfly616]

LiarasShield wrote...



It takes extreme amount of believe even extremist at most to believe he or she survived all this let alone the citadel possiably breaking apart let alone shepard getting teleported back down it doesn't really matter which one happended

No....it just takes common sense and simple logic lol

Common sense says Bioware wouldn't take the time and effort to create a scene(that had to be worked towards over the course of the game) just to show us a visual of Shepards "last breath". Logic says the official strategy guide isn't lying when it says "Shepard Lives" (especially since Bioware hasn't released a statement saying 'it was a misprint')


But we've been here before and we've already been through this, and its quite obvious that it doesn't matter how much proof or common sense is thrown in your face, you simply want Shepard to be dead. And not because that's what you wanted to begin with. In fact, I think you hate the ending so much that you want Shepard to be dead just to have another reason to bash Bioware.

Jokes on you though. Constantly flinging the same garbage on a daily basis. The other day you started a thread trying to disprove the fact that he is alive, and here we are again today.....same thread, different title. You make yourself look pathetic lol. Continue banging your head against a wall though.

[Pitznik]

Kyle Kabanya wrote...

Does anybody realize that its a game?

I wanted a real ending where shep is alive and conscious and with his team again, but all we got is a breath. Who cares about some breath scene, no one.

The ending was terrible, it ruined the whole franchise and nothing can save it, so please stop talking about it. Bioware had a chance to retconn and fix the ending but muffed up. There's no point to continue bickering about it.

6 pages in an hour? Apparently some of us care. I know I do.

[DirtyPhoenix]

ghost9191 wrote...

arguing over differences in opinions



got it

Pretty much what happens in all the threads.