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[TheWerdna]

I must now ask the question that I am sure is on all our minds at this point...." does this prove IT?"

[llandwynwyn]

End03_Shepard_Alive_Fem

End03_Shepard_Alive_Male

[Banul]

Shepard got himself blown up and was brain dead. If he can come back from that, he can survive the damn pipe explosion. Don't begrudge me my happy ending.

[CDRSkyShepard]

The file name is "shepard_alive." And, usually when you're alive, you're breathing, so in that moment, Shepard IS alive. Unless I totally failed my last A&P class, which I'm pretty sure I didn't...

Whether Shepard lives beyond that point is debatable, but BioWare has already confirmed it's up to the player to determine. If you want Shepard to live, then that's what happens.

Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:40 .

[D24O]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

The file name is "shepardlives." And, usually when you're alive, you're breathing, so in that moment, Shepard IS alive. Unless I totally failed my last A&P class, which I'm pretty sure I didn't...

Whether Shepard lives beyond that point is debatable, but BioWare has already confirmed it's up to the player to determine. If you want Shepard to live, then that's what happens.

All of that is to obfuscate the truth.

[Legendary Chop Chop]

Banul wrote...

Shepard got himself blown up and was brain dead. If he can come back from that, he can survive the damn pipe explosion. Don't begrudge me my happy ending.

Yeah, this makes a lot of sense with the whole "Shepard defies the odds" trope they go with on a regular basis.

[Mcfly616]

Oh, well this is going exactly how your last one did. Lol hope you don't quit your own thread again

[LiarasShield]

Mcfly616 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...



It takes extreme amount of believe even extremist at most to believe he or she survived all this let alone the citadel possiably breaking apart let alone shepard getting teleported back down it doesn't really matter which one happended

No....it just takes common sense and simple logic lol

Common sense says Bioware wouldn't take the time and effort to create a scene(that had to be worked towards over the course of the game) just to show us a visual of Shepards "last breath". Logic says the official strategy guide isn't lying when it says "Shepard Lives" (especially since Bioware hasn't released a statement saying 'it was a misprint')


But we've been here before and we've already been through this, and its quite obvious that it doesn't matter how much proof or common sense is thrown in your face, you simply want Shepard to be dead. And not because that's what you wanted to begin with. In fact, I think you hate the ending so much that you want Shepard to be dead just to have another reason to bash Bioware.

Jokes on you though. Constantly flinging the same garbage on a daily basis. The other day you started a thread trying to disprove the fact that he is alive, and here we are again today.....same thread, different title. You make yourself look pathetic lol. Continue banging your head against a wall though.

Maybe because I'm not willing to accept mere speculation of shepard being alive and getting no closure for our protagonist of five **** i n g years so I'm sorry that I like the game more then you obviously you don't share the same passion for it that I do

[LiarasShield]

you can handle speculation I wanted closure with our protagonist not a speculation contest on shepard being alive or he or she getting no damn closure nope sorry not my cup of tea

[DirtyPhoenix]

Shepard survived Harbinger's death laser, which tears dreadnoughts apart. Are you telling me she can't survive that puny explosion? C'mon. If this was real life, I would agree with OP but this is a videogame. people can apparently survive huge shipbreaking death lasers and being spaced and falling all the way down.

Zaeed survived a headshot that (looking by his scars) tore his head into half. I think he should be the avatar of Shepard-surviving-destroy. Remember what he said: A strong enough man can survive pretty much everything!

[TheWerdna]

Well OP, I have given all the answers I can at this point. The only way I could help further is by spending some time in the Chamber of Speculations

[Legendary Chop Chop]

If you want your Shep to live, imagine that the breath was quickly met with a medical team to assist them and all is well as life rebuilds itself.

If you want your Shep to die, well, imagine that last breath was met with endless gagging and choking, unable to get the oxygen needed and Shepard quickly dies upon the "impossible" scenario of landing back on ground to take a breath.

There.

[CDRSkyShepard]

D24O wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

The file name is "shepardlives." And, usually when you're alive, you're breathing, so in that moment, Shepard IS alive. Unless I totally failed my last A&P class, which I'm pretty sure I didn't...

Whether Shepard lives beyond that point is debatable, but BioWare has already confirmed it's up to the player to determine. If you want Shepard to live, then that's what happens.

All of that is to obfuscate the truth.

They didn't put that much effort into the other endings, why would they even try to show signs of life in Shepard if the intended interpretation is that he/she's dead? Oh yeah...it's called non-high-EMS Destroy. Shepard doesn't survive that one.

Also, last time I checked, breathing = alive (unless you've been suddenly submerged in freezing cold water, but that's another case). Again, I said it's *debatable* past that point, but I still don't think BioWare would put in even a token effort to show Shep is alive if the intention was death at all EMS levels.

[D24O]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

They didn't put that much effort into the other endings, why would they even try to show signs of life in Shepard if the intended interpretation is that he/she's dead? Oh yeah...it's called non-high-EMS Destroy. Shepard doesn't survive that one.

Also, last time I checked, breathing = alive (unless you've been suddenly submerged in freezing cold water, but that's another case). Again, I said it's *debatable* past that point, but I still don't think BioWare would put in even a token effort to show Shep is alive if the intention was death at all EMS levels.

Exactly, why put so much effort into something unless they want to cover it up? Its a conspiracy, hes ded.

[B.Shep]

Besides Shepard is always defying the odds. Sure he survived Destroy ending with a high EMS.

[Village_Idiot]

iakus wrote...

So why is Shepard directly shown dying, but only alluded to living?  Why do dead Shepards get closure, and live Shepards get "implications"?

My money's on that a full-blown "Shepard reunites with crew and is obviously not dead" ending was regarded as too cheesy. (Art jokes abound.) Instead it's alluded to.

I agree that the "breath" scene is perhaps a bit too vague- there are a hundred and one ways in which Shepard could be shown to undeniably survive, but in a relatively tasteful fashion. Take this quickly cooked up example:

EXT: EARTH SPACEPORT, DAY

(The Normandy swoops into the spaceport in elegant fashion)

INT: DOCKING CLAMP, DAY

(We see the Normandy crew disembarking, respective love interest [if present] at the fore. They reach the final door, which opens)

(Reaction shot of the crews' faces. Surprise and incredulity, swiftly followed by smiling)

(The shot switches to the crews' perspective. We see a figure, battered, bruised and wheelchair-bound, yet defiant. It is Shepard. He/she cracks a smile as the music builds to crescendo, followed by a cut to black.)

Modifié par Shadrach 88, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:52 .

[ghost9191]

Shepard lives



unless you believe your shep dies then so be it. but don't try to force that belief on others

Modifié par ghost9191, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:50 .

[LiarasShield]

dead shepard gets closure but supposedly in destroy they can't even give true closure to shepard being alive yeah not something I will ever get over soon

[CDRSkyShepard]

D24O wrote...

Exactly, why put so much effort into something unless they want to cover it up? Its a conspiracy, hes ded.

Riiiiight.

Shadrach 88 wrote...

iakus wrote...

So why is Shepard directly shown dying, but only alluded to living?  Why do dead Shepards get closure, and live Shepards get "implications"?

My money's on that a full-blown "Shepard reunites with crew and is obviously not dead" ending was regarded as too cheesy. (Art jokes abound.) Instead it's alluded to.

I agree that the "breath" scene is perhaps a bit too vague- there are a hundred and one ways in which Shepard could be shown to undeniably survive, but in a relatively tasteful fashion. Take this quickly cooked up example:

EXT: EARTH SPACEPORT, DAY

(The Normandy swoops into the spaceport in elegant fashion)

INT: DOCKING CLAMP, DAY

(We see the Normandy crew disembarking, respective love interest [if present] at the fore. They reach the final door, which opens)

(Reaction shot of the crew's faces. Surprise and incredulity, swiftly followed by smiling)

(The shot switches to the crews' perspective. We see a figure, battered, bruised wheelchair-bound, yet defiant. It is Shepard. He/she cracks a smile as the music builds to crescendo, followed by a cut to black.)

I like that. A lot.

[Mcfly616]

LiarasShield wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...



It takes extreme amount of believe even extremist at most to believe he or she survived all this let alone the citadel possiably breaking apart let alone shepard getting teleported back down it doesn't really matter which one happended

No....it just takes common sense and simple logic lol

Common sense says Bioware wouldn't take the time and effort to create a scene(that had to be worked towards over the course of the game) just to show us a visual of Shepards "last breath". Logic says the official strategy guide isn't lying when it says "Shepard Lives" (especially since Bioware hasn't released a statement saying 'it was a misprint')


But we've been here before and we've already been through this, and its quite obvious that it doesn't matter how much proof or common sense is thrown in your face, you simply want Shepard to be dead. And not because that's what you wanted to begin with. In fact, I think you hate the ending so much that you want Shepard to be dead just to have another reason to bash Bioware.

Jokes on you though. Constantly flinging the same garbage on a daily basis. The other day you started a thread trying to disprove the fact that he is alive, and here we are again today.....same thread, different title. You make yourself look pathetic lol. Continue banging your head against a wall though.

Maybe because I'm not willing to accept mere speculation of shepard being alive and getting no closure for our protagonist of five **** i n g years so I'm sorry that I like the game more then you obviously you don't share the same passion for it that I do

mere speculation? try ink, and plain English. Lol You do.seem.content on making up your own little ideas and believing them lol


Hahaha and you like the game more than me? Because of your undying devotion to picking it apart and bashing it? Riiiiight lol. This isn't even fun anymore , I feel bad for you.

Currently on my 10th playthrough of ME3, replayed the entire trilogy 3 more times since EC came out.......and here you are on a daily basis. You're totally right, you like this game waaaay more than me, evidenced by the fact that you're here coming up with new things to b*tch about on a daily basis, and I'm playing the game.

Call it whatever you want, but you just prove how ass-backwards you really are lol.

Modifié par Mcfly616, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:55 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Pitznik wrote...

I can see all five being in place?

And there is more than one breaking away in the high ems destroy - in fact, all . Sadly can't really see what happens to the tower :/

The top right seems to be gone, but you are correct. Though I'd speculate they were trying to show the citadel being rebuilt. Why they would start from an already-partially-rebuilt citadel?

Modifié par pirate1802, 07 septembre 2012 - 06:52 .

[The Angry One]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

My money's on that a full-blown "Shepard reunites with crew and is obviously not dead" ending was regarded as too cheesy. (Art jokes abound.) Instead it's alluded to.

More likely they wanted to kill Shepard in every ending, because suicidal stupidity HEROIC SACRIFICE.
But they were too scared to commit to "Shepard dead no matter what" so they threw in this if maybe probably easter egg.

[Bill Casey]

Shepard is not literally walking towards a tube shooting it...

[Tipsyfresh]

Pitznik wrote...

Tipsyfresh wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Problem is you can still see the wards breaking away in the explosion. So either this slide shows the Citadel being halfway fixed, some time after the ending, or person that edited the destroy cinematic made a cut bit too late.

True it could've went both ways, but for that type of work to have been done on the citadel and then shep's breathing scene happens? Nah, Retconned the explosion damage to the citadel bioware did.

I don't think Shepard breathing scene is meant to happen after the epilogue either way. Hackett's speech seem to be made some good time after the ending, and slides imply the same - I mean, Krogan's pregnancy can't be that short so slides present the future anyway. I'll have to check what exactly happens with the presidum in the big explosion - if it's not damaged despite the fireball being HUGE, he could easily survive inside, and rubble would be the result of tremors, not utter destruction of the tower.

True, but How does the memorial scene fit in? Like when they don't put up Shep's names because of the breath scene. Lord this game is broken.

[wright1978]

LiarasShield wrote...

dead shepard gets closure but supposedly in destroy they can't even give true closure to shepard being alive yeah not something I will ever get over soon

I agree with you completely that Bioware's cheapness isn't something i'm going to forget. Doesn't mean Shep doesn't live in high EMS destroy though.